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Old 22-02-2013, 21:45
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Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Hi there,
JBs new to this site, not new to opiate wds. Have chronic pain n got sick of drs treating her like shit so used subs previously to get off prescribed pain meds. Was on it 2 yrs n it was a b coming off (was on 32 mg a day most of that time).

Anyhow here JB is now, doing things on her own, so She started snorting then She started shooting h. 2nd time around in last year. This relapse lasted several months.

So JB decided to do a fast taper this time - At home on her own, using subs. First day she kept it down to 6 mgs of suboxone - still felt like s but felt better than full blown h wds, day 2 6,then 4,4,2,2,1,1,.50,.50,.25,.25 n today is her first day off everything . For JB, she had some pretty tough days here n there. Suicidal thoughts (which never occurred before this time), anxiety, pain n restless as s. poor girl. Anyways, last 2 days on .25 haven't been that horrible. She is using a bit of immodium to help tummy issues, takes an rx sleep med at night.

Sorry long winded, but has anyone had great success w a 2 wk taper or equiv? She had a pretty heavy IV tolerance, using 1.5 g a day good stuff. I dunno if she's doin this right or needs to re-evaluate. Thought I'd go to ppl who've got real life exp n not take her to a dr who wants to do sub maintenance again. Sigh so close today is day one clean. Hopefully the stacking effect of subs long half life don't catch up with her in another day or 2. Any advice or sharing your own experiences would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 22-02-2013, 21:55
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Hey Jump. Glad you posted. I'm about to start suboxone and would love to hear your story. I'm coming off a 500MG a day roxi addiction. Wasn't sure which route to take. Cold turkey, inpatient detox or suboxone. After a lot of research and advice I decided to go the suboxone route. I was referred a doctor who said I can start the next day. It all happened so fast and I was no where ready to just stop the Roxie's the next day. Unfortunately it was the next day or march 1st because doctor was going on vacation. So now I'm anxiously waiting for march 1st to come. I hoping to do it in 3-4 weeks or less. I don't know if that's realistic. Going to start sub ( not sure how many MGs yet, but hope to use it for 1 week then start tapering down the next 2. What do you think.?
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Old 22-02-2013, 22:14
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Hi Time,

Glad ur making the choice to get off roxis. She had a pretty wicked prob w those before turning to h. She wants to give ya some advice that could b helpful. Not a medical professional just have been down the sub route several times. A. When u induct on subs for the first time, u need to be in moderate-severe wds. If u take subs too soon (like she did w oxys) you can go into precipitated wds n that's 10x worse than you'll already b feeling. So I highly recommend looking up COWS sheet, which she believes stands for clinical opiate withdrawal score. B honest w ur symptoms. B. it's great to hear a dr offer 3-4 wk sub use. Most docs luv the
$ n want u to stay on it forever so you've gotta good dr it seems. 3-6 weeks seems to be the route to go cuz it gives ur body n mind time to heal. C. Keep ur initial dose of subs as low as possible. Enough to feel better but the lower the better. Drs love to give16,24,32 mgs n it's soooo high. She's gone that route 2x w subs n it just made her sick to her stomach n feel icky n it's easier to taper off let's say 4-8 mg a day than 32mg a day.

She's also considered inpatient detox, rehab, etc this time around. Decided to try this first n c how it goes. But plz don't let her scare ya w her advice. Just been there n done that. This short term taper is new to her.

Take good care of ya. Best wishes. Always welcome to chat.

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Hey Jump. Glad you posted. I'm about to start suboxone and would love to hear your story. I'm coming off a 500MG a day roxi addiction. Wasn't sure which route to take. Cold turkey, inpatient detox or suboxone. After a lot of research and advice I decided to go the suboxone route. I was referred a doctor who said I can start the next day. It all happened so fast and I was no where ready to just stop the Roxie's the next day. Unfortunately it was the next day or march 1st because doctor was going on vacation. So now I'm anxiously waiting for march 1st to come. I hoping to do it in 3-4 weeks or less. I don't know if that's realistic. Going to start sub ( not sure how many MGs yet, but hope to use it for 1 week then start tapering down the next 2. What do you think.?


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Old 22-02-2013, 22:27
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Thanks for the advice, I will definitely follow it. I didn't meet the doc yet, that was MY plan to do 3-4 weeks. I have no idea what he's going to want me to do. Probably make it as long as possible. And I want to start sub at as low as possible, again, I don't know what he has planned for me. As far as too soon, let me know what you think of this. ........ I plan on taking my last dowse of Roxi around 3-5 pm Thursday the night before I go to doctor. My appt is for 10, by the time I actually take the sub it'll probably be around 11. So that will be around 18 hours.
I know I want my sub dose to be very low, but with a 500MG a day habit of roxi, I don't know what is in store for me. on a regular day unusually take my last Roxi around 7pm and wake up at 7 am with minor w/d but pop before my eyes even open.
I'm really scared and not looking forward to doing this. I know it's going to be a very rough road.

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Old 24-02-2013, 20:51
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Time, It's best to "interview" ur dr before starting. surprised a dr would be willing to start ya the first day u get there without seeing you or checking ur vitals, etc. but maybe it's different in diff parts of the world. I'm in California btw. Anyways, first time around, and went into precipitated wds, dr was a moron. Said....hmmm she waited x amount of hrs so just take more n more til u feel better. Little did She know She was in precipitated wds n was making it worse taking more n more. My gauge would b that COWS worksheet NOT time. Being in minor wds, even though it sux n ul feel shitty, isn't enough. Plz dont b scared by this though. Remember you only have to induct n go thru wds like this once, get it right, and move on. Look the worksheet up online and make sure your score is a 26 before taking subs. Shes gone into precipitated wds 2x. Learn from her n do it right and ONCE. I think if you do your research online, you'll find that ppl that have taken subs do best on them short term (6wks) but that's just what she's read. But she definitely isn't an expert so maybe you'd be wise to start your own thread n ask ur qs. You're more than welcome to come on here but think you'll get lotsa good advice if u share what you've shared here...

Btw have you thought of tapering down a bit before starting subs? Seems like that always helps things run smoother? Not sure if that's an option for ya. Take care of ya

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Well today was day one without anything. Started feeling icky around the 24 hr mark, took 3 Imodium n a neurotin n finally caved and took 1/2 a 5 mg Valium. Only got one left so SWIMs saving it. (Is using the term SWIM N SWIY still necessary these days?) anyways my friend is hanging in there despite bad relationship drama due to her h usage. So anxiety sux. Hopefully She can get some helpful pointers from someone whose done a quick taper. Just taking it day by day. Any advice is greatly appreciated. She thx u all in advance -

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Btw the anxiety/restlessness (can't sit still for more than 15 or so mins/n sporadic depression is annoying as hell, yet she can't move off the couch. Finally ate after 6 days no food (she knows that's terrible but just haven't had energy or motivation to eat, so she's just drinking lots of gaterade and taking a multi vitamin. Finally ate today though. I know My friend needs to exercise but its cold as hell right now and can't seem to handle the cold because the chronic pain issue makes her stiff in colder climates. Any suggestions instead? I know she's got it tougher with wds than most because the pain issue complicated things, but any help you can give her I know she'd really appreciate it.

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Ok well for anyone whose reading this, JB will keep posting as a journal to remember this taper and relapse. Today it's been 42 hrs since her last suboxone and so far so good. She has more energy isn't depressed and overall don't feel blah. check in later at night for an update.

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Lol Seems my girl is talking to herself but its cool. Ill keep her journal up anyhow. Day 2-53 hrs past last dose of suboxone and today wasn't bad. Small tummy ache some of that weird feeling in arms, here and there spurts of energy/lethargy. Better than just feeling like shit right?

She knows subs have that creeping up on u a few days later so only time will tell but today was first day she's felt decent enough to be seen in public. Wds during last 2 weeks using suboxone weren't anything comparable to CT h wds, or long term sub wds, so that's her gauge.

See yas Tom

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Hi for anyone following this, feel even better today day 3 off suboxone after using it for 2 weeks. Very minor tummy ache in the morning but feeling better after my friend ate. Hardest part so far for her during the suboxone taper was every other day or two from 2 mg-1-.50. Nothing unbearable or compared to CT from DOC. She's still cautious of saying she's out of the woods but definitely hopeful. She'll update again. So far from all her detoxes, and long term suboxone tapers, this has been the least painless for her, in her experience. So far so good.

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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

JB you came so far CONGRATS!!!!!!! Very proud of your sobriety. I wish you the best of luck staying clean. You came this far, you don't need to be told you would be a douche if you went back. Lol.
Here's a short version of my friends story. .......
Started with Vic's, would take 1 and a half a day. Wow, that was a long time ago,lol. Obviously afte a while grew tolerance and one and a half quickly turned to 8-10 a day. Didn't cut it anymore so went to Percs 10/325. With his tolerance already being so high, He was quickly at 15-20 a day. So did the obvious, and looked for something stronger. Did some research and found Roxis. Forgot to mention He would get scripts from the therapist He was seeing. Now picture this, a DOCTOR supplying him with his drugs. So getting them was never a problem. The problem came when his 120 a month supply would be gone in 2 weeks and He would be anxiety ridden wondering how He would make it the next 2 weeks. Now listen to this, I'm sure it's not legal, but He would have his doc give him 2 scripts of Roxie's, one for 120 and one for 180. He would keep a log of the pharmacies he went to, pay cash some places and insurance at others. Within a month that wasn't enough for him again. That is when he decided there's nothing left to do but quit. Honestly wouldn't even get a touch high , no matter how much he took. And that's how his doses got so high and out of control
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Time, thx bud, today has been here and there, but better for most part. Right now sweating but no biggie can deal with that!

glad you made the decision to detox, think about it this way. If your dr is giving u 2 scripts for same strength med (assuming that's what you mean) I'd be very careful because if my friend knows better that's illegal for him to do. And if it comes between him getting in trouble or you, I'm sure your dr would lie and say he never did that, or say you forged, etc, think about it, he doesn't want to jeopardize his license. Unless you're getting it from 2 diff drs and that's just as bad. You can be blacklisted at pharmacies or even worse, locked up. Not a prude here just warning ya, don't want you to get in trouble. So sub detox is a good option. Keep your head in the game, you can do it

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Well yesterday was weird. For about 4 hours from like 4-8 my girl was feeling like shit. Stomach ache, sweats, restless, anxious, etc etc. Couldn't take it anymore so she took one of her last two clonodines after taking a hot bath and felt better.

Today is day 4 off suboxone - just woke up so not sure how today will go yet, arms and chest are a bit tingly but time will tell. Weird how she always feels good right after she wakes up then stuff starts happening throughout the day. I also think that home stressors are playing a factor at this point. Her BF is beyond pissed and is making her recovery difficult. She finds herself getting more anxious when he's home. So she thinks the mental aspect of this set of circumstances / specific detox during this difficult time could be playing a large role right now?

Right now though, spirits are up despite the drama, only ill effect right now is what was mentioned above. Taking no comfort meds or anything now. Thx for following.

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Good morning, my girl says:

"Beginning of day 5 no subs, 19 days no heroin. Woke up early, same minor tingly sensation in arms and hands and some minor rls and very minor anxiety. Compared to all my sub and opiate detoxes this has been the "smoothest". I didn't expect a cake walk and struggled thru a few bad episodes but nothing like CT detox. Also have minor bouts of tummy aches, but I was using Imodium for a week...so I think my tummy is just getting "back to normal". But all in all this morning is going well. More energy each day.

Now the hard part begins. Recovery, picking up the pieces of my relationship with my non-addict BF, needless to say he's royally pissed and upset and sad, which is heartbreaking. I wish I never made the decision to start using heroin again. 2nd time in last yr and 1/2. Both times for several months each but did a lot of damage in that short amount of time. I've also got pretty bad chronic pain issues so I need to be diligent about staying away from opiates. Need to come up with a new plan - but it gets frustrating after years and years of trying this and that and nothing seems to work. I need to get mentally stronger so I can learn how to cope without relying on meds or resorting to using h ever again. It's almost ruined my life completely. I've got alot of work to do.

But anyhow, that's not what this thread is about, it's about a 2 week taper. So far last two days have each been better and better. I believe this is a great option - coming from someone who was on it for a couple years and had to taper off slowly during that last year, and being in a constant state of wds for months and months, then being miserable for 40 days after jumping off .25 mgs, I'd prefer 2 weeks of tapering compared to that again. But everyone is different, this Is just MY experience. Thx for reading"

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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Firstly, awesome about JB's kicking. Once, one was very addicted/dependent on oxycodone and morphine both for severe chronic pain and for recreational use/habitual abuse. One began taking buprenorphine (Subutex) and successfully kicked full agonists for about 3 years. One noticed that the buprenorphine killed a good deal of the pain and that the buprenorphine was very good at keeping W/D away. It's pretty important to be into a full on W/D before starting on the buprenorphine because of the risk of precipitated W/D brought on by the antagonistic effects of the buprenorphine. Once the COWS score is met it may be prudent to start whith 4-8 mg (sublingually or by insuffilation) at first. Even the full 32mgs can prove necessary at the very beginning of treatment (collectively with several smaller doses over the course of hours...not all in the first dose) to a solid baseline of comfort and "normalcy" (for what that's worth...LOL) Once W/D is aborted and a few slightly lesser doses are keeping everything comfortable, then it is best to taper down and can easily be titrated down to the minimal effective dosage from there. One recommends finding and learning about the "COWS scale" that addiction medicine specialists often use to gauge and give a quantitative measure of how severely a patient is W/D. The procedure seems to be to dispense 2-4 mg doses every 1-2 hrs until the patient has fallen below the lower limits of W/D according to the COWS scale. Once the patient has found the "magic number," per se, it's pretty easy to somewhat quickly titrate down to a pretty small dose (0.5-2 mg twice or three times daily) and one can remain at that dose for a number of years, in many cases. One found that the med's "reverse tolerance" effect allows one to take less of the buprenorphine relatively shortly after beginning treatment with slim to no discomfort at all. Hope this is helpful to JB or anyone else. Best of luck! One may be contacted at anytime if JB is in need of someone to speak with, commiserate with, or ask any questions.
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

V, am I crazy thinking I'm going to go from a 500Mg a day codone habit to taking suboxone this Friday. Here's my plan, going to take my last dose of roxicodone Thursday around 3 pm. I have an appt with a doc to get sub Friday at 10 am. For a few years I have a roxi addiction of 500MGs a day. Plan on stopping using suboxone. What should I expect to go on?
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V, am I crazy thinking I'm going to go from a 500Mg a day codone habit to taking suboxone this Friday. Here's my plan, going to take my last dose of roxicodone Thursday around 3 pm. I have an appt with a doc to get sub Friday at 10 am. For a few years I have a roxi addiction of 500MGs a day. Plan on stopping using suboxone. What should I expect to go on?


Well, the patient was taking 250+mg of oxycodone, morphine and oxymorphone daily )not usually at the same time but sometimes she would mix 2) and was still wildly successful.

As for the plan, it is likely that W/Ds will be strong enough by the time JB is about ready for the doctor's appointment based on from what I have observed. The most negative side-effect the patient suffered was vomiting. Well into he first hour of the treatment, she was unusually very sweaty, a bit weak, very nauseous and there was much vomit. Ondansetron was a help and made the patient able to cope. After that 12 hours the nausea and emesis were relieved as quickly as it set in almost exactly 12 hours after the initial dose. It's unknown if the patient had failed to wait long enough since her last dose of morphine IR (she waited 6-7 hrs...which is on the short side) and thus suffered due to precipitated W/Ds, or if it was the Subutex was coming on stronger than expected which made the patient feel the symptoms of a mild overdose.

The patient would like to relay that the COWS scale is a much better indicator of when to begin treatment instead of just timing the doses. She also says that it is helpful to imagine building a tolerance, but in reverse. She has found that the most effective and least uncomfortable way to begin the treatment is to dose with 2mg once an hour until the user is no longer sick at all.

For instance: Say that after several instances of dose boosting little by little, 16 mg was the magic dose that made the W/Ds go away. The 16 mg was easily cut to 12 or 8 mg, and within a short while the 4mg dosage twice a day was just as effective and killed the pain as well as the first dose. That is a pretty common way to start new patients on the buprenorphine therapy.
Once the patient is officially 100% on the new medication and is finally without pain, craving or withdrawal, the patient reported a strong sense of achievement and deep feelings of satisfaction. She says that it was the first time in years that she just felt "normal" and she was able to spread the doses apart by 12-15 hrs and even had forgotten at times to take the dose until tears were welling up in her eyes for no emotional reason, and she was yawning like a motherfucker but wasn't sleepy. It was extremely liberating and she was able to feel like a functional and happy member of society again, she says. She says also that she wishes JB nothing but the best. She has offered to help JB if necessary.
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Thx v for helping my buddy Time. He's new to subs - but JB already is done using suboxone - just wanted to clear up any confusion.

JB SAYS:

Today is day 5 no subs - 19 days since last shot of h, waited around 36 hrs (COWS score of 26) then dosed using 2 mg of suboxone, then waited took 2 mg more, waited then 2 mg more. My point of using subs this time around wasn't for purposes of maintenance - did that before and I had a LOT of negative side effects caused by high dosages of suboxone (was on for almost 2 years previously-32-24 mg a day before I started my taper off). My taper from 32-6 mg was easy, the 6-.25 was very difficult and my jump off was miserable for 30 days. Each person is different but it seems like a lot of people of late are reporting lots of problems with long term suboxone treatment.

Anyways this is why I decided this time to do a quick 2 week taper.

Right now, I feel like I did when slowly tapering subs the first time around-random hot flashes/sweat/chills, anxiety here and there, my chronic pain is coming back, malaise... But it's weird because it will come and go. Usually a 4 hour period or flares up if let's say I'm nervous about something. But each day since jumping off this time around has gotten better and it's not unbearable. I find music is an amazing tool to use to calm me down, lift my spirits, or get my mind off things. I blast my headphones and it really is amazing how music during wds works so well. While using I never really listen or get real into music but during wds it's a lifesaver.

Anyhow just wanted to update. Time, I know you are going to do great. Don't let your fear get in your way. And do what suboxone treatment protocol is best for YOU. As you can see, there's many different methods to go about this. If I were you, I'd write down a list of qs and concerns you have and have the dr go over them with you.

Anyways Ill post tomorrow. Take care

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Thx also V for the kind words of support.

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Ok JB wants to give her update so her it is in her own words:

Day 6 after her 2 week taper off suboxone. Today was great, best day yet. Woke up, still have very minor tingly arms - annoying but not bothersome enough for it to be an issue. Minor anxiety. Much more energy today, spirits are up, laughed a lot, just happy in general. Took a bunch of vitamins-heard 5 HTP helps with mood so I'm not sure if that helped today or if it was just "the day" to feel good. No sweats or chills all day, until night time, which is huge progress. Just a great day really, haven't felt this good spirited in a long time...it's 8 pm here and I'm doing pretty darn good. My original pain issues are back but hey, that's to be expected, but overall it's been an uplifting day.

And to speak about how important your state of mind is when detoxing-I think from my experience I do MUCH better when I'm not stressing out about my BF, or $ issues or anything you can't control. My symptoms pick up dramatically if I'm already anxious-then the sweats start, tummy ache, MORE anxiety, depression, RLS, etc. So a lesson is to be learned, try to stay positive, not worry about the past or future, and do your very best for THAT day.

Anyways, I'm newly "clean", and pray this is it for me. I know better to say never again but I'm going to do everything I can in my power to stay away from this ever again.

If anyone has any qs, advice, suggestions, etc please feel free to post. Take care

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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

THA ls so much for the info. As scared as I am, I'm kinds looking forward to it. Today is the day that I'll stop using at 3pm. Needless to say, I already miss it and haven't even stopped. I have a strong feeling that my mind is going to be the worst if this all.
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Time-I know it's new and scary, try not to over analyze this and just do your best, keep positive and remember you've only got to to this right once, then you'll be doing just fine. Hang in there, good luck, keep busy, and post any qs you may have. Here rooting you on!
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

It's been 6 hours since my last and final dose. Suboxone at 10am tomorrow. SCARED!!!!
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Old 01-03-2013, 19:42
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

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It's been 6 hours since my last and final dose. Suboxone at 10am tomorrow. SCARED!!!!
You are going to do great with your induction. So you mentioned you last took your oxy dose of 500 mg (right?) at 3 pm and your appointment is at 10 am? Did you look up that COWS worksheet mentioned above? Score should at least be a 26, preferably. Hopefully you gave yourself enough time but let the dr determine that at this point. He should explain everything and answer any questions you may have. Now the time up to your appt plan on getting some symptoms. Just have set in your mind you just need to stick it out until you see your dr. DON'T take Imodium during this time before your appointment. Good luck and congrats!! Let me know how ur appt goes

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Hi all-my friend JB wanted to give her update in her own words:

I'm glad I'm keeping this thread going because I begin to forget how many days has gone by. Today is day 8 off suboxone and 22 days clean from heroin. No cravings (haven't had any at all), today I feel great. Only complaint is that I get the sweats at night on and off. And ive been lucky enough through my entire taper and jump off suboxone to get about 8 hours sleep at night. RESTLESS sleep but sleep notheless. Yesterday I didn't update-was having a tough "pain day", but that's another issue. Today my pain feels so much better so I don't know what to think. Is it opioid related hyeralgesia or not. Hard to tell this early I guess.

But anyhow, today I woke up in good spirits, more energy, only symptom during the day are chills/goosebumps but it's kinda just there but not bothersome. Feels good to be free of opiates. Now I need to keep it together!

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Old 02-03-2013, 16:26
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Hey Jump. Started suboxone yesterday. After 21 hours and horrible w/d I finally took 4 MGs. Doc wanted me to take more, but I was far from home and didn't want to take anymore. So yesterday I took a totally if 8 MGs. Felt deathly sick all day. Didn't sleep last night and feel sick again today. I just took 4 MGs of sub with little releive. I'm assuming 4 MGs at a time is not enough for me but in starting to think in just replacing one drug with another. What is you think u should do

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What do you think I should do?

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I thought sub was to make you feel better?? I really guess 4 MGs us just not enough for me. I'm really scared to take more because I want to be able to get off subs pretty quickly. I'm starting to feel that I'm not really clean if I take subs. Should I do what the doctor said and take 8 MGs at a time or stay at 4mgs and deal with it. ( at times very hard to deal with). I've been in bed 2 days now well today would be second day. I just can't move.

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Old 02-03-2013, 18:49
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

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Hey Jump. Started suboxone yesterday. After 21 hours and horrible w/d I finally took 4 MGs. Doc wanted me to take more, but I was far from home and didn't want to take anymore. So yesterday I took a totally if 8 MGs. Felt deathly sick all day. Didn't sleep last night and feel sick again today. I just took 4 MGs of sub with little releive. I'm assuming 4 MGs at a time is not enough for me but in starting to think in just replacing one drug with another. What is you think u should do

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What do you think I should do?

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I thought sub was to make you feel better?? I really guess 4 MGs us just not enough for me. I'm really scared to take more because I want to be able to get off subs pretty quickly. I'm starting to feel that I'm not really clean if I take subs. Should I do what the doctor said and take 8 MGs at a time or stay at 4mgs and deal with it. ( at times very hard to deal with). I've been in bed 2 days now well today would be second day. I just can't move.
Hey bud, my friend JB responded on your thread-didn't want to double post to avoid confusion. Hang in there!!

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Oops I just noticed the feedback just now about not using abbreviations. My bad, sorry If its hard to read, I'll definitely begin spelling everything out properly. I'm typing on my cell and we all know how fun that is.

Thanks,

My friend, JB

(JB will post an update later)

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Old 05-03-2013, 19:06
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Ok here's my friend JBs update:

Today is day 11 off Suboxone. Symptom-wise over the weekend I was experiencing alternate days of anxiety and depression. Saturday I took a hot bath and I had an anxiety attack for no apparent reason. Then on Sunday I was just down and depressed. Both days, I was pretty tired. My body is obviously readjusting its just frustrating.

Still have tingly arms and some sweats. But I still stand by my quick taper. I keep telling myself each clean day I rack up Ill be closer to feeling better. My pain issues have intensified but again, that's to be expected. Hot baths do seem to help temporarily.

Also I've been taking 5-htp daily to help with mood and kava for anxiety (as needed). Today I have more energy so that's good news! Ill post a follow up soon. Thanks, take care
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Old 06-03-2013, 15:10
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Sorry To hear JB.
I'm doing horrible too. Everyday is a battle. Take suboxone or don't. Wake up feeling decent then 10am hits and so do the w/d. That's when the HARD decision comes to take the sub or not. Keep thinking if I take it, I'll be taking it forever.
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Old 06-03-2013, 19:30
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

JB wanted me to post this for her:

Hey Time-just posted a response on your thread. Hang in there.

As far as my update is concerned: day 12 off Suboxone-same tingly arms and night sweats, totally annoying but I'm dealing. Yesterday was a strange day for me. Talk about mood swings!

So far today has been a better day. I'm not depressed, tired, or anxious. But I feel like I have a mental block. All I want to do is lie around the house, I know you need to force yourself to do things you enjoy but nothing interests me right now! And I know it's the detox / wds / (or is it PAWS talking at this point?) I typically force myself to read, listen to music, clean place up mildy, take baths, cook dinner, go to an NA mtg or run errands but I know how important exercise is and doing things you enjoy that aren't drug related. It's a very strange feeling to WANT to do something but at the same time can't get motivated to do it or try it and lose patience very easily. That's just where I am right now. Any suggestions or advice is always welcome. I guess it will take time. Take care
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Old 06-03-2013, 21:00
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

JB, 12 days and more off H, UNBELEIVABLE. congrats.
So absolutely nothing in your system for 12 days and still don't feel right? Gotta be frustrating.
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Old 06-03-2013, 21:40
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

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Thx Time,

Yes, 12 days off suboxone, 26 days since last shot of my drug of choice. Yes it can get frustrating but I guess since this isn't my first time detoxing or using suboxone I kind of knew what to expect, which doesn't make going through it easier necessarily but I know these symptoms do go away, the depression and anxiety went away before so knowing that keeps me sane. I'm now at the point of my detox that I'm getting mad at the drugs, and for some reason that helps me get more motivated to get through the tough times. Today my tummy is messed up but it's the only thing today that's annoying. Ya the sweat/chills/tingly arms are ongoing symptoms for me (each person seems to have their own set of symptoms and I've seen some have barely anything at all while tapering or jumping off of suboxone) but I've noticed if I kind of just accept it and not concentrate on it being there or wondering why it's still going on, it really doesn't get to me.

But today my mood is good and Ill take that as a blessing. As far as your thread, I noticed someone said to do some relaxation techniques. I thought it was a joke when someone recommended it to me a couple years ago but it can help. Try looking up "guided imagery" online or if you just can't get yourself into it, I find listening to music really helps calm me down. My significant other isn't or never has been any form of addict so sometimes he doesn't understand the mental aspect of detoxing-so I try explaining to him, I'm not trying to ignore you or be mean but I need some time for myself because I'm anxious/depressed, etc...and ill put my headphones on and listen to music or go take a bath and put my music on in there and it helps calm me down.

That's what works for me anyhow

But I definitely don't want my posts to dissuade you from using suboxone. I knew I'd be taking a chance of feeling this way because of the fast and furious taper I used, and everyone's experience with opiate detox is different - not different in the sense the same types of symptoms are shared- but different in how each person deals with withdrawals, amount of opiates used before cessation, poly drug use, and also I've noticed some people are up and feeling good within 5-7 days and others have longer lasting symptoms.

Also I have some pretty complicated health / pain problems which I'm sure is complicating things as well. So just know you can't totally gauge your experience off someone else. Just wanted to say that and want to encourage you on your journey towards recovery.
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

I'm very proud of you and how your handling everything. Like you said, not your first time. Not mine either, but my last 2 times couldn't compare to what been doing the last 2 years.
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Wow glad to see so many people jumping I was on subs for 3 months so I could get myself together an was a heavy user before then. I have done the sub thing prior to this time an always went back out cause I never worked on myself. Gotta change who we are or we will always go back. Well this time is goin great big props on 2 weeks off I'm on day 17 an feelin better every day. Although at times frustrating cause its been over two weeks an still not 100percent but it is what it is. I know I def don't want any substance running my life anymore. But suboxone is a good thing long as your intentions are to get off. Without subs I would def still be using cause I'm gonna be for real I can't detox cold turkey or sit in a hospital for a week . But good to see some positive words ! Keep it up life does get better!
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Re: Quick 2 wk taper off subs for IV h wds

Aza, glad to hear your doing good. If u read the posts you'll know that I'm not. Still getting used to this whole suboxone thing. Physically feel ok, but mentally no so much. I'm like dazed out all day. How long do u think I should stay on sub. I'm taking 8 MGs throughout the day. 5th day on sub and 6th day off roxi.


Questions for whoever know the answer:::
Is roxi still in my system?
Are roxi w/d done or if I stop sub, roxi w/d will kick in?
Is it possible to keep my sub dose where it is (8mg) for a few days then wean off?

All answers help!
Thanks.

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Does this dopiness go away?

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