Drug info - OTC stuff in the UK

[Akewstick]

SWIM has had immense amounts of fun with such OTC drugs as DXM, Codeine and Diphenhydramine, he was wondering if there are any other drugs available OTC that are enjoyable?

He was hopeful of Ephedrine, Propylhexedrine and various other chemicals, but has discovered that most of them are either unenjoyable or unavailable in the UK.

Does anyone know any other kind of OTC drugs that are abused by people in the UK?

I'm not planning to break the law in any way, and am not asking for access to illegal drugs.

[Abrad]

Dihydrocodeine is available over the counter in the UK. Similar to codeine but twice as potent. Other than that SWIM can't think of anything.

[tre2005be]

codeine is available OTC in the uk? where from?

[Abrad]

Pharmacists...

[tre2005be]

i didnt think you could buy pure codeine OTC i thought you needed a prescription?

[Abrad]

You can't buy pure codeine OTC. You can, however, buy products containing small amounts and perform a cold water extraction.

[tre2005be]

which products contain Dihydrocodeine and which contain codeine? if you dont mind me asking...

[Abrad]

Paramol contains 7.5/500 DHC/Paracetamol.
There are many products containing codeine including Nurofen+, Solpadeine and more. Again, these also contain paracetamol so a CWE is essential. There are also codeine based cough suppressants available although pharmacists are wary to sell them to anybody who they believe will abuse them.

[tre2005be]

thank you. how would swim go about performing a CWE?

[Abrad]

SWIY would first UTFSE. After doing this he would eventually have found this thread.

[tre2005be]

SWIM apologises profusly and thanks abrad for his time and help.

[Akewstick]

if 7.5 mg of dihydrocodeine is equal to 15mg of codeine, then wouldn't it be possible to get a decent hit with about 10-14 pills?

I'm not saying anyone would recommend SWIM to take 10-14 paracetemol pills without using a CWE, but he's pretty sure he could get away with it, right?

[Abrad]

That amount of paracetamol will cause liver damage and, in some cases, death. ALWAYS perform a CWE. NEVER take more than the stated dose of paracetamol.

[tre2005be]

so is paramol kept behind the counter? would i have to ask for it or is it on display?

[Abrad]

It is supervised sales AFAIK. Just ask for it. They may be a little wary of selling it. SWIY should be ready to tell them a reason why you need it.

[tre2005be]

are all the products that contain codeine the same? and if SEIM were to ask for some what would SWIM say they were for?

[adzket]

acute pain i.e real bad tooth ache, migrain, muscular pain, joint pain. if asked point out that swiy has tryed less powerfull painkillers all ready and they have not worked very well so swiy wishes something stronger and if it still continues after three days swiy will consult a doctor.

[baron samedi]

Any SWIY's in the uk know which opiate based cough suppressants are available OTC. SWIM has heard of Gee's Linctus which he believes contains opium extract. Any SWIY's tried this? Does anyone know of any other i.e. codeine/morphine based?

[Mona Lisa]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

Any SWIY's in the uk know which opiate based cough suppressants are available OTC. SWIM has heard of Gee's Linctus which he believes contains opium extract. Any SWIY's tried this? Does anyone know of any other i.e. codeine/morphine based?

SWIM tried it back in 1988. It had the most revolting taste, probably to put people off 'abusing' it. SWIM told me it was foul! SWIM didn't recall any interesting effects either.

[baron samedi]

Thanks for the replies guys.
SWIM knew about the OTC codeine/DHC tablets, but was interested in any other OTC opiate concoctions that could be used recreationally. From the above info SWIM would assume the only ones worth doing are the harder to acquire linctus'. Would SWIM be right in assuming the Pulmo Baily and J.Collis Brown are not worth the effort?
SWIM wasn't aware of the ephedrine loophole regarding importation which is interesting, but will not be experimenting with anti-histamines or DXM for the time being, for varying reasons. It amazes me that people would want a "nightshade" style deleriant buzz like you get from diphenhydramine et al, but there ya go, each to his own.

[Zaprenz]

^Couldn't agree more.

My adding the anti-histamines was really for beneficial uses at normal recommended doses.

SWIM imagines anti-cholinergics to be like demetia. (especially as many drugs which try to increase choline function are for dementia). SWIM has known people with dementia and its the complete opposite of fun.

Each to their own though I guess.

Like mentioned though promethazine at recommended normal doses can be very useful.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

Any SWIY's in the uk know which opiate based cough suppressants are available OTC. SWIM has heard of Gee's Linctus which he believes contains opium extract. Any SWIY's tried this? Does anyone know of any other i.e. codeine/morphine based?

swim very much doubts that this ancient ( victorian?) preparation is still for sale in the UK..... Maybe the name was kept for historical / advertising reasons and still used for another preparation, now opium-less.
Seriously, who would use *opium* of all things in preparations nowadays ?
but swim would love to be proved wrong and will look into it, quite a blast from the past this !!
here's a recipe :

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Opiate Linctus of Squill (B.P.C.)
Linct. ScilI. Opiat. (B.N.F.); Compound Linctus of Squill; Gee's Linctus
Equal volumes of camphorated tincture of opiuin, oxymel of squiIl, and syrup of tolu. It contains about 1/100 gr. of anhydrous morphine in 60 m.
Dose: 2 to 4 ml. (30 to 60 minims).
Note. Clarification of this linctus can usually be accomplished by the addition of cetomacrogol. Some batches of honey, however, yield a preparation which cannot be clarified by this method. Clarified solutions do not, however, conform to the B.P.C. Supp.description of this linctus.

Opiate Linctus of Squill for Infants (B.P.C.).
Linct. SciIl. Opiat.pro Inf. (B.N.F:.) ; Opiate Linctus for Infants.
Camphorated tincture of opium 5 m., oxymel of squill 5 m., syrup of tolu 5 m., glycerIn 20 m., syrup to 60m.
Dose: 2 to 4 ml. (30 to 60 minims)


LINCTUS SCILLAE COMPOSITUS, B.P.C.
COMPOUND LINCTUS OF SQUILL.

Synonyms.—Linctus Scillae Opiatus; Opiate Linctus of Squill; Gee's Linctus.

Related entry: Camphor
Other tomesCompound Tincture of Camphor 33.33 | 6 fl. oz. 320 min.
Oxymel of Squill 33.33 | 6 fl. oz. 320 min.
Syrup of Tolu 33.33 | 6 fl. oz. 320 min.


Mix the liquids.

Dose.—2 to 4 mils (1/2 to 1 fluid drachm).
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update it apparently exists, OTC, but is now a squill, alcohol and a very dilute 0.0001% codeine mixture, or as cough pastilles like Potter's Gee Linctus pastilles for the relief of coughs.

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[Zaprenz]

YES - Gees Linctus is available in the UK

It does still contain opium tincture (listed on ingredients) from a particular brand (very little though) and tastes disgusting.

It's a relic from many moons ago but is still sold from a popular pharmacy chain although its sale is highly discouraged (depends on who is serving)

They only keep very few in stock and to be honest codeine linctus which that particular chain do not sell at all is far superior if one can still get it.

As mentioned its a generation thing. SWIM imagines peoples view of it is biast towards thinking "ooh its got opium tincture in" it must be either abusable and fun. Turns out if you work out even the theoretical maximum morphine dose there are many other things with more available.

Also as mentioned ingredients for some have changed.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Zaprenz

YES - Gees Linctus is available in the UK

It does still contain opium tincture (listed on ingredients) from a particular brand (very little though) and tastes disgusting.

It's a relic from many moons ago but is still sold from a popular pharmacy chain although its sale is highly discouraged (depends on who is serving)

They only keep very few in stock and to be honest codeine linctus which that particular chain do not sell at all is far superior if one can still get it.

As mentioned its a generation thing. SWIM imagines peoples view of it is biast towards thinking "ooh its got opium tincture in" it must be either abusable and fun. Turns out if you work out even the theoretical maximum morphine dose there are many other things with more available.

Also as mentioned ingredients for some have changed.

amazing though, to think that opium tincture is still used for some medical purposes in these day of powerful synthetic opiates...swim is baffled that such an old preparation still exists in a semi-traditional form, even if it's also been modernized.

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[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Akewstick

He was hopeful of Ephedrine, Propylhexedrine and various other chemicals, but has discovered that most of them are either unenjoyable or unavailable in the UK.

Too bad about propylhexedrine, it's one of SWIM's favorites. He recently tried levo-methamphetamine (Vick's Inhaler in the U.S.) and there's no doubt whatsoever, propylhexedrine blows it completely out of the water. Don't feel TOO bad though, considering the OTC opiates you guys have available...