Megadose of st. Johnsworth

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by xpr´k

interesting! Did you try watching TV with it ?

Naah, never did.

I'm still in the market for a mild drug that can really pull you in a story. In my teens MJ did an awesome job for me but my brain has decided to reject it and i cant enjoy it anymore.


Ive tried kratom a few times but i'm still not sure what to think of it, maybe i should give this a go. How was your memory the next day, the one thing i always hated about mj was how crappy it made my memory.


ps: could you link that old post alfa made (or call me a crosseyed fool cause i cant see it on page one)

It's just a few pages back, do a search for "John's" or something like that. No "hangover" at all the next day, but this was pretty mild. Some of the body load may have just been withdrawals from kratom, which I was admittedly going through at the time (and are mild but noticeable).

[PhoenixOnPhire]

This dude tried smoking the extract pills mixed with weed.. he couldnt stop smiling or laughing, and he thought he was going to piss himself from the happiness. he said it reminded him of extacy without the sweating or high heartbeat

[IHrtHalucingens]

Does anyone have any thoughts on a mega dose of st johns wort or 5-htp in combonation with adderral to get an MDMA like experience.

It seems the two would combine to do the main jobs of MDMA: increase 5-ht release, block serotonin re-uptake pump, increasing dopamine release, as well as inhibiting dopamine uptake, increase release of noradrenaline, and reverse the normal direction od monoamine travel.

SWIM is unsure of the mao-b inhibition that is caused by MDMA though. Is this necessary for an enjoyable experience?

SWIM is looking for an experience similar to MDMA. He has little knowledge about such things, just what he read and a little googling led him to. Is he on to something that may be worthwhile or is he chasing a dream that will never come true?

[HippieChick]

I have some questions about this? First off, about how many of 450 mg extended release pills would I need to experience the effect you described?? How long before I feel any effects?? What is the maximum amount one can safely take?? I am curious about this, but want to be safe about it.

[Jatelka]

Originally Posted by HippieChick

I have some questions about this? First off, about how many of 450 mg extended release pills would I need to experience the effect you described?? How long before I feel any effects?? What is the maximum amount one can safely take?? I am curious about this, but want to be safe about it.

HippieChick: Please read the rules. They can be found here...

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[Myzrael]

Very interesting. SWIM will go shopping in The Netherlands for a nice brand. He has no idea what a good brand is but he's sure he can figure it out.

edit: He got St. Johnsworth from the brand "De Tuinen" with 300mg a pill containing 900mcg each (standardized for 0.3%). SWIM will tell soon if it works or not. Think he is going to try it today.

[hh339]

SWIM has some capsules and wants go give a big dose a shot. Now what is on SWIMS mind is: SWIM took 30 mgs of remeron the day before yesterday, and he wonders if this may have an impact on the effects? Should he wait or what?

[hh339]

Ok, SWIM gave it try, On the box it says you should take 1-2 capsules 1-2 times per day. SWIM snorted a half capsule. WOW, it actually works! SWIM feels relaxed, very soft and "smooth", and even some tingling is there! He cant wait to try slightly higher doses to see if there is any more than this to it. Very surprised. This is not placebo, but not very pronounced either, will report back when higher doses have been tried.

[Myzrael]

So it's not painfull or very unpleasant snorting it? SWIM will try and post his results...

edit : He snorted a little bit and it hurts......didn't like it and snorted waay to little to notice anything. Maybe he's just a pussy...SWIM will try to take 5 at once oral today and some more later and see if it works.

[hh339]

SWIM snorted a 3/4 capsule yesterday and got less effect than he got 2 days ago when he snorted half a capsule. SWIM will wait a few days and then go for a whole one. Will report back.

[PhoenixOnPhire]

I was intigued about SJW so I asked my friend to try smoking it. He said he smoked it with some maryjane and he had never been so giddy in his life. He said it was such a happy laughy feeling that he almost pissed himself. (fyi he did not piss himself)

[IHrtHalucingens]

SWIM tried snorting some SJW but it was very unpleasant and had no effect on him. It did however clear out his sinuses very well lol. SWIM will try an oral mega dose and report back.

[DEViANCE]

I'm going to type on my keyboard in an attempt to create a story about someone totally fictitious, any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental!.

I've researched about someone who went travelling to Australia a few months ago, This person normally has never dabbled with anything other than weed a long time ago and doesn't do that anymore because of anxiety. She also takes standard daily dose St Johns wort at home in the UK, but didn't like the thought of trying to take some into Australia (Customs are very touchy about foreign organic materials)

So she ended up buying some over there, Brandname of Blackmores I believe she said.

Anyway She took the normal 3 a day dose however this Brand seemed to effect her much more noticably. And setting and sometimes Music seem to be a trigger. She could be lying on her bed totally releaxed listening to favourite ipod tunes when she would start to feel 'rushes' of calm energy, very hard to explain but made her feel very motivate, happy and especially creative (so much she brought books on music theory over there and started to teach herself)

She also felt as if everything was beautiful, the landscapes outside, her own thoughts, the music, her surroundings, Not visually beautiful but mentally. She thought about things and her thought processes seemed beautiful and so clear.

As stated prevously she has never tried anything but weed, so cannot compare it to Ecstasy and such.

She ran out of the SJW about a week and a half before before returning to the UK and went back to the Standard ones she had been getting in the UK once she arrived HOME.

She has never since felt like she felt on those occasions, and actually believed it was just the Natural euphoria of being in another country, for the first time on an adventure all of her own constanly being in AWE.

However upon reading this thread and other experiences of St Johns wort, and looking back in hindsight to her experiences with it in Australia she now believes it was the St Johns wort that made her feel this way and is now trying to seek out better brands on the net to perhaps re-live this feeling if possible. For her books on music theory now sit on her shelf and have not been touched since she returned, and she lacks the motivation and clarity of life she had when she was on it in OZ.

[HippieChick]

SWIM wants that very same experience...but doesn't know if I am using the wrong dosage strength, wrong brand or what ?!? Maybe something is wrong w/ SWIM.

[DEViANCE]

Originally Posted by HippieChick

SWIM wants that very same experience...but doesn't know if I am using the wrong dosage strength, wrong brand or what ?!? Maybe something is wrong w/ SWIM.

Ref to my previous post on St Johns wort effects.

I'd like to further add that the important of a good brand cannot go un-noticed. I believe someone I know tried herbal shop OTC brand and had no change whatsoever after a month of trial and even in the second phase of upping the dosage to twice the standard rate. Secondly it does take time to build affective levels in the blood. Be patient.

They now order a brand from a site that has noticable effects on mood and conciousness.

Further to this let me state that St Johns wort is a very strange substance. It's not a chemical you actively notice having any effect on you there's no come up or noticable plateu. It is unexplainably subtle. Whilst 'on it' one can vegetate around the house all day, sit in front of the computer/watch tv all day and not feel a thing. Yet get in a quiet sitting or with some good throught provoking music, start thinking about things,good things like moments, experiences and emotions then you come to the realisation that your thought processes are somewhat different. The effect is not easily describable but thoughts and surroundings just seem more 'pleasent' and beautiful. Not visually, mentally.

A friend tried to recreate several scenarios like this whilst not been active on good quality st johns wort and for them it just doesn't happen.

I'll leave it at that for now.

[HippieChick]

SWIM is thankful for the insight on SJW. If SWIM has any suggestions or ideas of a good quality brand, SWIM would greatly appreciate the enlightenment.

[DEViANCE]

Originally Posted by DEViANCE

I'm going to type on my keyboard in an attempt to create a story about someone totally fictitious, any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental!.

I've researched about someone who went travelling to Australia a few months ago, This person normally has never dabbled with anything other than weed a long time ago and doesn't do that anymore because of anxiety. She also takes standard daily dose St Johns wort at home in the UK, but didn't like the thought of trying to take some into Australia (Customs are very touchy about foreign organic materials)

So she ended up buying some over there, Brandname of Blackmores I believe she said.

Anyway She took the normal 3 a day dose however this Brand seemed to effect her much more noticably. And setting and sometimes Music seem to be a trigger. She could be lying on her bed totally releaxed listening to favourite ipod tunes when she would start to feel 'rushes' of calm energy, very hard to explain but made her feel very motivate, happy and especially creative (so much she brought books on music theory over there and started to teach herself)

She also felt as if everything was beautiful, the landscapes outside, her own thoughts, the music, her surroundings, Not visually beautiful but mentally. She thought about things and her thought processes seemed beautiful and so clear.

As stated prevously she has never tried anything but weed, so cannot compare it to Ecstasy and such.

She ran out of the SJW about a week and a half before before returning to the UK and went back to the Standard ones she had been getting in the UK once she arrived HOME.

She has never since felt like she felt on those occasions, and actually believed it was just the Natural euphoria of being in another country, for the first time on an adventure all of her own constanly being in AWE.

However upon reading this thread and other experiences of St Johns wort, and looking back in hindsight to her experiences with it in Australia she now believes it was the St Johns wort that made her feel this way and is now trying to seek out better brands on the net to perhaps re-live this feeling if possible. For her books on music theory now sit on her shelf and have not been touched since she returned, and she lacks the motivation and clarity of life she had when she was on it in OZ.

She now knows that the brand she took in OZ was Hi-potency consisting of 990 micrograms of Standardised hypericin as opposed to the ones she takes in the UK which are standardised at 0.30% of 300mg so 0.9 micrograms. (see this thread for ref: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22823 )

This is a definate result and something now worth investigating further. She may try dosing high on her 300mg ones to reclaim a similar effect to the hi-potency OZ ones.

[HippieChick]

Hmmm SWIM may have to give this experiment another attempt. Though she may have to consult a calculator to figure out proper dosing equivalence. She has always sucked at math.

[hacnslash]

Originally Posted by DEViANCE

She now knows that the brand she took in OZ was Hi-potency consisting of 990 micrograms of Standardised hypericin as opposed to the ones she takes in the UK which are standardised at 0.30% of 300mg so 0.9 micrograms. (see this thread for ref: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22823 )

This is a definate result and something now worth investigating further. She may try dosing high on her 300mg ones to reclaim a similar effect to the hi-potency OZ ones.

Does she realize that 0.3% of 300mg is 0.9mg which is in fact 900 micrograms? mg means miligrams, mcg is the abbreviation for micrograms, tell her not to get those two confused. I doubt that she would notice a difference between 900 micrograms and 990 micrograms unless the dose response curve for sjw is incredible

edit: Just fyi, swim tried 5 caps of the 300mg stuff, followed by 5 more an hour later to no effects whatsoever, not even placebo. SWIM is highly dismayed at paying 8.50 at his local GNC for sjw. Also swim tried to insufflate 1/4 of a capsule resulting only in intense pain and eye redness. He found himself hovering over his bathroom sink blowing green snot for 10 minutes. Take it from swim, don't snort plant material.

[DEViANCE]

Originally Posted by hacnslash

Does she realize that 0.3% of 300mg is 0.9mg which is in fact 900 micrograms? mg means miligrams, mcg is the abbreviation for micrograms, tell her not to get those two confused. I doubt that she would notice a difference between 900 micrograms and 990 micrograms unless the dose response curve for sjw is incredible

Yes, she has realised this now

Many thanks!

[Praxis]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Quite some years ago I was experimenting with st. Johnsworth caps. When ingesting 10times theadvised dose ofit colors would become brighter, my mood was lifted. In intensity I could compare it with 25 mg's of MDMA. So a light but pleasurable high, with noside effects. Note that since it is unclear to what extent the MAO inhibiting effect of St. Johnsworth goes I always refrained from other stimulants, fungusor other possible hazardswhile doing this.


Do any of you have experience with this?

...if I have read correctly from other websites, it takes 2 weeks or more to feel any effects from ST.Johns Wort at all.

[DEViANCE]

Originally Posted by Praxis

...if I have read correctly from other websites, it takes 2 weeks or more to feel any effects from ST.Johns Wort at all.

For the Anti-depressive effects to become noticable yes.

Like SSRI's St Johns wort takes time to build up effective levels in the blood stream. That's not to say that a megadose wouldn't have a 'serotonin syndrom' type effect.

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Praxis

...if I have read correctly from other websites, it takes 2 weeks or more to feel any effects from ST.Johns Wort at all.

No, some people feel the effects right away, others take a few weeks of daily usage to feel effects.

Swim feels pleasant effects from smoking semi fresh leaves straight away.

[Praxis]

wait so if SWIM crushed up some SJW from the local grocery store and smoked it, it would have eupohoric effects?

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Praxis

wait so if SWIM crushed up some SJW from the local grocery store and smoked it, it would have eupohoric effects?

Freshly picked leaves would be a better option. The stuff from many stores is fill of stalk and far less potent IMO. Mild plesant effects, nothing earth shattering.