Megadose of st. Johnsworth

[oldman]

Alfa I find this post very inteeresting and if it's true no wonder BIG PHARMA wants all supplements taken off the shell. I have not taken it before and you mention it being a MAOI (mild) would there be a problem with taking welbutrin (A dopamine antagonist I think) with it. I know you shouldn't take it with SSRI's but welbutrin is not calssified as that. I'm just wondering about the MAOI properties. Oldman doesn't want to spoil the sacred ground in his head for.... well you know why.


ONce I took 3 tabs of yohimbe (you've also mentioned this asa mild MAOI)about an hour and a half before sex and (while on welbutrin) and I can't say it made me real hard but when the orgasm came it seemed real long and the end felt likeIwas passing a bowling ball. It felt like delayed ejaculation like I got several years ago on Disipramin.Don't get me wrong it was pleasurable I'm just wondering if it had to do with the MAOI becaus e Welbutrin never gave me any sexual side effects.

[Alfa]

Yes, but I do not know if it is soft or hard on the throat. Nor do I know if you'll get any effect. It may be worth the try.

[sands of time]

Swim tried this about 2 weeks ago. The recommended dosage was 1 pill, so he took 5. Within about a half hour, maybe less, he noticed his vision got really sharp. The room took on a brighter look and a sense of moderate, speedy euphoria began to grow. This lasted for a short period of time, probably less than 1 hour. Not bad for a legal buzz.

There was one drawback besides the short duration of effects. Swim noticed a bad taste in his stomach when he burped. The herb also made him burp more. The taste was comparable to syrian rue seeds, but it wasn't as bad as consuming syrian rue seeds.

[oldman]

after seeing this post I tried 5, 10 , 15 and even once 20 pillls of sjw to no real avail. maybe my mood was somewhat uplifted. ifeel i probably didn't get as mad as easily which is definately a plus, but no visual stimulation or euphoria as some experience. I'm not sure I would even feel the effects of 25-30 mgs of mdma either though. In that repect I guess I'm a hardhead. Maybe after a several months of complete sobriety (whenever that may happen) I may try again to see effects. No negative side effects just no real buzz.

[Alfa]

There are a lot of bunk brands around. Some are standarized on a weak substance. You need to shop around to find the optimal brand. This would be a good topic for the sources forum.

[sands of time]

I bought some of the rite aid brand st johns wort standardized herbal extract. I would recommend that kind because it provided the effects at 5 pills even though the mg content was lower than most.

[one4thedoc]

Originally Posted by sands of time

I bought some of the rite aid brand st johns wort standardized herbal extract. I would recommend that kind because it provided the effects at 5 pills even though the mg content was lower than most.

I purchase the rite-aid brand recently, consumed 20 pills (3000 mgs) and yielded no effects. I would not consider myself an overly sensitive person amongst my friends. It should be noted that my environment was comfortable (home), and I was very much looking forward to the possible mild euphoria and color enhancements. Next time I will try the well-recieved Natures Way Perika brand to see if this herb is of any value.

[Thirdedge]

Just a thought, I have noticed Kanna to work far better when feeling shitty or depressed, perhaps the same applies to St Johns Wort.

I have had nice effects from smoking dried st johns wort leaves, nice mild high, even some euphoria. A bit rough on the throat though.

[grecian]

I am so interested by what i have read on this post that i have ordered some online. I will post my experience on here when i get a chance.

"Each tablet contains 300mg of ‘concentrated extract’ of Hypericum Perforatum that provides 900mcg of Hypericin". Does this sound like a reasonable concentration?
Im thinking of a 10-15 dose

[gimmeabeer]

i've insufflated 1-2 lines of wort with incredible effects. Gotta get it deep into the sinuses, doesn't burn that bad. Have to use the stuff from inside the capsules. 2 lines is a bit too intense, so I usually only do one line. Basically you just get serotonin syndrome and all its classic sypmtoms: increased sexuality, empathongenic effects, dizziness and stumbling, slurred speech, general appearence of intoxication to outsiders, euphoria, etc. Not exactly what I'd want to feel everyday, so I'd only go oral for treating depression, I have smoked some with a little sage to suspend it, but I can't really recall if I got any substantial effect.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Alfa

St. Johnswort contains various forms of Hypericin and hyperforin, which give a anti-depressant effect. The pharmacology of St. Johnsworth is much alike SSRI's; it inhibits reuptake of serotonin, thus the available serotonin has more effect. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter which plays a very important role in mood elevation or depression, hunger, sleep and various other vital functions. I have taken several brands of St. Johnswort and pure hypericin. The difference in effect between pure hypericin and the herb itself makes me think there are other substances in play as well.

Hyperforin is now thought to be the (most) active ingredient.

I'd recommend "Nature's Way Perika" as one of the best brands, based on a lot of web research and my own former use.Edited by: Nicaine

[Hyperreal]

St. John's Wort (that's how I've always seen it spelt in English functions primarily as an SSRI. There is still debate over whetherit inhibits MAO, but if it does, it's probably not to the extent where you'd have toavoid certain foods, though you should probably stay away from cocaine, MD-amphetamines etc.


Alfa, when you say it's like 25mg MDMA, is that just the emotional lift, or the stimulation as well?

[antigenesis]

I just drank a very pulpy tea with apparently 2.5g of st john's wort
leaf and flower, along with 81mg sjw extract. Under the extract
it says Dianthrones(active ingredient?) and I ended up with .243mg of
that.



The tea also contained: fennel seed, cinnamon bark, spearmint leaf,
cardamom seed, ginger root, english lavender flower, fenugreek seed,
black pepper, clove bud, and "natural licorice flavor".



I'll post when/if effects start coming on, but it was damn tasty either way.

[antigenesis]

<h3>ST. JOHN'S WORT IN PROFILE</h3>



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<h3>St. John's Wort</h3>


(Hypericum perforatum)
Hyperiacae
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<t><tr>
<td valign="top"> Synonyms:</font></td>
<td valign="top"> Hartheu, Fuga daemonum, Hexenkraut, Unsere Frau Bettstroh, Waldhopf,
Wilder Magram, Faerberkraut, Frauengliester, Unsere Liebe Frau Gras, Sonnwendkraut,
Blutkraut, Loecherkraut, Jaegerteufel</font></td>
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Description:


A perennial herbaceous plant, which grows to about. 2ft high. The erect,
upright stems bear two raised lines along their length and branch out in the
upper parts. The opposite, sessile leaves are ovate to linear and covered
with numerous translucent dots, the oil glands. The margins are entire and
skirted with black dots. The five-petaled yellow flowers with their prominently
protruding stamens are borne in clusters. They flower from June to August.
The seeds are borne in capsules. The taste is aromatic, bitter, balsamic.
The flowerbud, when squeezed and rubbed on the skin stains red, this is a
good way of verifying the correct species.


Habitat:


St. John's Wort grows throughout central Europe and the British Isles. Its'
habitat are verges, meadows, hedgerows, wood clearings and waste places. It
has also been naturalized in many parts of the US, where it is regarded as
a noxious weed.


HISTORY


St. John's Wort just seems to know when midsummer is near and its time has
come. Its flowering time coincides with the zenith of the midsummer sun and
so it seems entirely appropriate that it has long been honored as a summer
solstice herb. The little flowers resemble little suns themselves, while the
reddish oil resembles blood, the sacred juice of life, which in the olden
days was often sacrificed on this day to ensure the continuity of life. The
proper gathering time for this herb has always been midsummer when its potency
is said to be at its peak. Some sprigs were cast on the ceremonial bonfires,
others were blessed and hung above doors, in stables and barns. It was thought
to offer protection against the hazards of excessive sun, fire, lightning
and droughts and to and scare off witches and demons. Christianity has absorbed
much of these pagan traditions. The church dedicated the herb to St. John
and continued to use it in similar ways within the context of their St. John's
celebrations on the 24th of June. They hoped that its solar radiance would
protect them against evil witchcraft and daemons of any and all descriptions.
They even used it as a talisman to identify witches in conjunction of a magic
formula:
SATOR

AREPO

TENET

OPERA

ROTAS


The formula was written on a piece of paper and it, together with some St.
John's Wort gathered during the first quarter of the moon, was strewn on a
piece of leather. This talisman was thought to reveal the identity of a witch.
A charm containing the holy herb also protected against wounds from swords,
knives and bullets. St. John's Wort was even used in Witch-trials. It was
thought that in the presence of such an upright, open and radiant herb of
the sun no evil could persist. (Why the honourable herb did not perish in
the hands of the inquisitors remains a mystery). During the Middle Ages St.John's
Wort enjoyed its greatest reputation. It was known as 'Fuga Daemonium' and
thought to protect against all types of evil spirits and daemons. The Doctrine
of signatures identified it as an herb of the sun. Its' sunny, upright character
was used to dispel the daemons of depression and melancholy, while its punctured
leaves and red oil signified its usefulness for treating wounds, cuts and
burns.


Today St. John's Wort's magical association have largely been forgotten though
it continues to play an important role in medical herbalism. In recent years
it has enjoyed a great popularity as a natural anti-depressant. Yet, its very
popularity has also created some controversy. In the US this sudden boom has
been especially noticeable, even though authorities have been making efforts
to suppress its use and brandmark St. Johns Wort as a potentially dangerous
herb and noxious weed. The allegations are that its photosenzitising properties
are dangerous and that it can produce unwanted side effects when used as an
anti-depressant. St. Johns Wort does have photosensitizing properties, but
the most likely victim of this effect is grazing lifestock, which may consume
great quantities of this herb and at the same time may be exposed to high
temperatures without any sheltering shade on the ranges. This problem can
particularly severe in southern parts of the US. While internal use of St.
Johns Wort rarely poses this threat to humans, one should avoid exposing areas
of skin treated with the oil directly to sunlight or the ulraviolet rays of
a solarium. As regards its safety in the treatment of depression, caution
is advised. St. Johnswort affects the Seratonin levels and thus can produce
negative effects when used in conjunction with other anti-depressant drugs
which also affect levels of neurotransmitters. Thus, before using St. Johns
Wort as an anti-depressant it is advised to consult a qualified physician
who is knowledgeable about drug/herb interactions.
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<td valign="top"> PARTS USED:</font></td>
<td valign="top"> Aerial parts, collect when in flower, for the oil usually only
the buds and flowers are used, though many people report good results
with oil produced from the flowering tops.</font></td>
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<td valign="top"> CONSTITUENTS:</font></td>
<td valign="top">Essential oil - caryophyllene,
methyl-2-octane, n-nonane, n-octanal, n-decanal, a-and b pinene, traces
of limonene and myrcene, hypericin (photosensitizing), hyperforin, Glycosides
(rutin), tannin, resin, pectin</font></td>
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<td valign="">ACTIONS:</font></td>
<td valign="top">Antidepressant, sedative,
nervine, anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial, astringent, vulnerary, diuretic</font></td>
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<h3>MEDICINAL USES:</h3>


Internal Use:







St. John's Wort is an tonic for the whole body. It is a gentle rather than
a cathartic cleansing remedy that improves overall function and tone of the
vital body systems. It strengthens and regulates the metabolism and tones
the stomach, liver and kidneys, thus helping to clear toxins from the body.
The ancients used it to help the eliminative processes of the kidneys and
to support the liver. Internally, a small amount of the oil or better still,
the expressed juice, taken on an empty stomach is said to be effective for
stomach ulcers and gastritis. In the olden days expressed St. Johns Wort juice
was used to stop internal bleeding,the spitting of bood as well as diarrhea,
especially if this was also accompanied by blood.


It is also an excellent nervine with a calming and sedative effect on the
nervous system. It is an old remedy for headaches and migraine and can also
be used to treat anxiety, melancholy and irritability, especially during menopause
or for cases of PMT. Old herbalists also recommend it for cases of 'shaking
and twitching' (Parkinson?) It is said to be effective for treating bedwetting
in children, especially when due to a nervous disposition or anxiety. For
this purpose, 1 tablespoon of the infusion given at bedtime is said to suffice,
though one may also massage a little bit of the oil into the lower back. As
a diuretic, St. John's Wort helps to eliminate wastes and toxins from the
body, which assists the treatment of gout and arthritis. The tea is also effective
for indigestion, stomach catarrh and as a vermifuge. It is recommended to
only use the fresh herb or tincture as the dried herb looses much of its potency.


External Use:


In the olden days the external uses of St. Johns Wort were much more common.
It was known as an excellent wound healer that could purify the wound and
knit the skin together The expressed juice or a compress made from fresh bruised
herbs is best, though modern herbalist are more inclined to use diluted tincture.
The compress can be applied as a vulnerary to treat wounds, cuts, bruises
varicose veins and burns. Tabernaemontanus reports that the powdered dried
herb can be strewn directly into putrefactive wounds to clean and heal them.
In his days it was also used as a fumigating herb by midwiwives to help women
who were encountering severe problems during their pregnancies or child birth.


St. John's Wort Oil


Traditionally the flowers were steeped in Poppy seed oil to produce a bright
red oil. However, since Poppy Seed oil has become virtually unobtainable,
Olive oil can be substituted. Fill a jar with flowering tops and cover with
oil. Macerate for 2 weeks. Strain and press out the flowers, repeat the process
using the same oil, but adding fresh flowers. This oil is used for treating
sunburn, other mild burns, neuralgia, sciatica and rheumatic pain as well
as sprains and strains, cuts, wounds, as well as muscle and nerve aches and
pains. It is also said to reduce scarring. Tabernaemontanus mentions an elaborate
recipe for a combined oil which, among other things includes a variety of
gums and resins such as frankincense, myrrh, mastix etc and other herbs, including
Plantain leaves, Yarrow and Tormentil to make, what he claims to be a superior
wound oil effective for just about any kind of ache or pain.


CAUTION:


Since St. John's Wort contains the photosensitizing agent hypericin it is
recommended to avoid direct sunlight after both internal and external use.
If you are on any other medication, especially anti-depressant drugs, consult
a doctor with regard to negative drug-interactions before use.

[antigenesis]

I noticed a slight mood lift, along with sharper, brighter colors. Possibly placebo.

[DragonShroom]

So is st johnsworth the same thing as st johnswort? It seems they
are being used interchangably here, and it's confusing me.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by nachoguy50

So is st johnsworth the same thing as st johnswort? It seems they are being used interchangably here, and it's confusing me.

St John's whatever is "Hypericum Perforatum" by its Latin name. this could be useful !!


Often St John's WorT, in french "Millepertuis" ( references the "perforated" aspect of the plant, hence PERFORATUM)Edited by: benga

[DragonShroom]

I happen to have a large bottle of st john's wort that I purchased a
little while ago from "Doctor's Trust". Recommended dosage is 1
capsule (375 mg st john's wort powder). I've just taken 5
capsules, and depending on how I feel I may up the dose in a little
bit. I will report back tonight or tomorrow with my experience.

[DragonShroom]

Well I took the original 5 capsules and nothing happened. I
decided not to up the dosage because I felt literally nothing from
5. So either this does not work, or my st john's wort is
ineffective.

[oldman]

nacho, i've taken in upwards of 20 within an hour or so --4 sets of 5 every 15 mins, felt nothing. didn't get mad at anyone that afternoon, could've been a coincidence, lol. have since figured like you that whatever you feel with five is probably all there is going to be felt.

[Nicaine]

I read Alfa's old post about megadosing on St. John's Wort. I ran out of kratom (my usual entheogen of choice) so I decided to try it. A bit of a chicken, I took only 7x the normal dose (2100mg).

All I can say is WOW... colors are so bright and vivid, they're almost hurting my eyes. Music just sounds great. I also feel a bit of energization, euphoria and a little sweating (body load). It's a very interesting mild high.

BTW the brand I took is "Nature's Way Perika" which is an especially good brand recommended on some of the SJW-related boards. The general agreement about SJW now is that it *is not* an MAO inhibitor, but instead increases all three brain chemicals (serotonin, norephinephrine, dopamine).

Very cool... thanks Alfa. Now I'm off to listen to some music and stare at colors .Edited by: Nicaine

[xpr´k]

interesting! Did you try watching TV with it ?


I'm still in the market for a mild drug that can really pull you in a story. In my teens MJ did an awesome job for me but my brain has decided to reject it and i cant enjoy it anymore.


Ive tried kratom a few times but i'm still not sure what to think of it, maybe i should give this a go. How was your memory the next day, the one thing i always hated about mj was how crappy it made my memory.


ps: could you link that old post alfa made (or call me a crosseyed fool cause i cant see it on page one)Edited by: xpr´k

[sands of time]

I tried a few megadoses, and the first time it gave a nice stimuating high. After that, it never worked well, even though I was taking the same brand.

[Emperiorjack]

Originally Posted by xpr´k

interesting! Did you try watching TV with it ?


I'm still in the market for a mild drug that can really pull you in
a story. In my teens MJ did an awesome job for me but my brain has
decided to reject it and i cant enjoy it anymore.


Ive tried kratom a few times but i'm still not sure what to think of
it, maybe i should give this a go. How was your memory the next day,
the one thing i always hated about mj was how crappy it made my memory.


ps: could you link that old post alfa made (or call me a crosseyed fool cause i cant see it on page one)

Hmm you should give kava-kava a try. I never tried watching a movie
while on it, but I know it made playing Castlevania for snes 20x better.

[sands of time]

Originally Posted by Emperiorjack

Hmm you should give kava-kava a try. I never tried watching a movie
while on it, but I know it made playing Castlevania for snes 20x better.

Would you recommend kava kava pills or whole material.