suggestions for a 2-day drug sesh?

[dnb warrior]

ok so here's the deal. SWIM is going to global gathering, the biggest dance festival in the UK, at the end of july. (anyone else going?) it is 2 nights and he wants to maximise the experience by being on some sort of drugs. he doesnt want to ruin it. the only drugs he has experience with are mdma, weed and coke. however he thinks it would be a bad idea to take mdma two nights running (because of serotonin depletion), and doesnt really like coke. therefore he wants to do mdma/ecstasy one of the nights (probably the second), and needs some suggestions for what drugs to take on the other night.

at the moment he is leaning towards ketamine or mescaline (the ket would have be for chilling out, probably at the end of the first night). bear in mind he wants to try something new, but he also paid far too much money for a ticket to see some of the biggest acts around and therefore doesnt want to be too off his face to enjoy the music and atmosphere. for this reason he thinks shrooms or acid could be a bad idea. he thinks amphetamines might be good for dancing but they have always been something he doesnt want to try on the grounds that they are too addictive. he won't touch crack or opiates. he thinks some of the RCs (especially 2C-I) sound good but he has no idea how to get hold of these. booze is good but a bit boring and tends to make SWIM tired.

SWIM would like to hear your suggestions on a)what drugs are good for festivals and b)how to do a two day binge without fucking up the whole thing by being too mashed (if it's even possible?)

cheers
dnb

[Nature Boy]

Amphetamine or ketamine could do for the first night, just watch the dosage. Amphetamine can leave one in a nasty cut the following day if too much is taken.

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good advice

[StigmataLectron]

I was thinking amphetamine too. If you weren't planning to sleep at any time during the fest (I don't know how these things work) I'd say to take some amph. Weed too, though dancing on weed is.. hard, if that's what you're going to be doing. Other drugs you mentioned, SWIM doesn't have experience with. Sorry.

[Psych0naut]

GHB could be nice on the after.Or SWIY could take MDMA the first day, and GHB with a stimulating substance like coke the second to have a feeling which could partially replace MDMA.

[podge]

if you want a really crazy time at global gathering then hit some salvia.lol.i wouldnt recommend it though.swim finds with concerts and festivals that after drink,smoke and mdma the best bet is just drink and smoke even more.no joke.....after buzzing just get mouldy drunk and party on.but if you really have your heart set on something new then maybe go with mescaline or shrooms.....not the best enviroment for them but it'd probably still be good. swim cant really advise ketamine as swims hasnt tried it yet, but maybe that would be better.

[Nature Boy]

The main appeal of ketamine is that it's a short-lasting drug which many find to be a good combination with other uppers. It's big in the dance music rave scene.

[oldman]

DOC to swim resembles amphetemine & mesc somewhat at certain doses, not at the same time but usually up going up and a long but usually pleasant decline with visuals. hard to gauge that one if you never have used. and don't know how easily obtainable.

swim would chose the mdma for the night you favorite bands of the fest play. you'll already be kinda flowing in the right direction.

of coarse lots of bud, beers, doesn't find cola appealing unless you want to become complacent and depressed later.

he'd go low dose smooth amphet. like addy's if you're not on them alll the time would be good, end with ghb, next night mdma. maybe ghb again?

[oldman]

forgot, N-boy mentioned ket & amphet. one night that would work well too.

[The Doors]

Though SWIM doesn't have any experience with the following substances but has read a lot on them and judging from the description of the event and how SWIY wants things to go, it sounds like getting amphetamine the first night would be a good idea and then on the second night, do some MDMA. Of course, marijuana is essential in between.

[dnb warrior]

thanks for the replies! some good suggestions. SWIM has been persuaded that amphs would be ok, since its a one off . he will make sure to be careful with the dosage. he is not particularly bothered about sleep, but how does the comedown from amphs compare to mdma?(swim will have bud, booze and possibly ket to deal with it. will look into ghb as well)

also, the first night is 5pm to 2am but the second is 2pm to 6am - longer and with a more exciting lineup. the effects of speed supposedly last longer than ecstasy so it might be sensible for SWIM to take ecstasy on the first (shorter) night and speed on the second. but SWIM has heard that amphs give a speedy energetic feeling but no euphoria. this seems like it could be an anticlimax after a night on E, when the second night should really be the best. maybe he should stop looking so far into it and just enjoy himself!

[tre2005be]

that sounds best to me. SWIM thinks you should just take a bit of all those things you just mentioned and not plan anything. just let the night take you were it wants. the unplanned nights are usually the best

[Nature Boy]

SWIY's point about amphetamine's duration being longer than MDMA's is true, therefore there is sense in the plan to take the MDMA on the first night. In SWIM's experience, the comedown off amphetamine is worse than MDMA due to the fact that it lasts longer. It can also be quite a deceptive drug in that SWIM drinks a lot while on it and that leaves him all the worse when it wears off eventually. If SWIM was in your shoes he'd go for the MDMA on the first night and take a very contained dose of amphetamine on the second night accompanied with some alcohol and weed. This is just opinion though. I'm sure many would do otherwise.

[dnb warrior]

are amphets good in combination with anything? i take it combining amphs and Es is a no-no

[jesusfreak666er]

what about a low dose of dxm (300-400mg) as a xtc like supliment? maybe swiy should think about that, but if swiy doesnt know how swiy is effected by dxm it is not a good idea and prob interferes wit dancing (robo walking).

[adzket]

swim has done many festivals in the uk and abroad and worked on the london club scene for yrs and experimented lots and would suggest that swiy did xtc on the first night then when swiy has come down and has gone to there tent to chill smoke some mj or take a small amount of ghb this will help you relax & sleep,

as well as help there body recover from all the dancing they will be doing (it's a good line up this yr swim is off to dance valley Holland this yr instead) also g is good for sex if they have someone special with them or meet someone there though g should not be given to someone with out there consent. also it helps re-boost serotonin levels. making you feel good and fresh the next day. or they could try 5htp to re-boost serotonin levels.

the next day swim would start with a small amount of base speed (as it's a long day & night) tell them they don’t have to worry to much about the dose as such it’s not to crucial it would be about the same as coke, and because swiy has replenished there serotonin they could take xtc again that night no problem (you can really take many xtc on many nights without replenishing seritoin without much problem just be ready for a harder come down) as well as more xtc on second night also take a slightly bigger dose of base, to give swiy the increased energy to get threw the hole event. (but not too much as to stop sleep completely)

during the day one would recommend alcohol & mj, or shrooms at a low dosage for a mildly tripey and fun afternoon or even some herbal highs sold at these events, can be good containing a variety of Ethnobotanicals or even acid if swiy is ready for a stronger trip. this would be best during the day.

swim would not recommend that swiy takes k or dxm if they have not done so before, as although it is short acting (k) longer for (dxm) it is very easy to take a little to much which can be scary with o.b.e's a possibility and general confused state it can put one in. swim would also recommend swiy does not take coke as it is likely to just sweat and be wasted before you get a chance to take it due to heat moisture ect. (it is also likely to make you feel wired and paranoid in a new environment).

also some general advice for swim getting threw the weekend. don't drink to much alcohol if on drugs (this will make swiy dehydrated and feel worse), make time to sleep properly especially the first night (this will help swiy's body recharge for the next long day) and eat to even if they don't feel hungry, or find it hard to do so on drugs, your body needs natural energy as well as chemicals (even if its just dextrose sweets).

ware appropriate clothing + sun cream some times when people take drugs they find it hard to judge the temperature and swim has known people to get heat stroke and sunburn, at festivals. as they don’t realise how long they are out dancing or sitting mashed up in the sun. have more clothes to put at night when the temp drops, also change your clothes a few times maybe two outfits a day. As being wasted at a festival in dirty, sweaty, wet clothes is not fun (believe swim).

take on water and to take time out to chill and relax even going back to there tent to do so (this can be a haven at a long, busy event like this) and if needed have an hr or so nap. (recharging the battery’s so to spk is a good idea) not thinking too much about it is a good idea but also when going to such an event some forward planning is always advisable.(it can enable you to plan chill out breaks ect if you know which sets you wana hear more than others and also knowing your way about the festival site can be useful especially if with mates and get separated ect) advise swiy if possible not to get things of random people in the festival, as it's known people go with the intention of ripping people off.

also to be discreet, as big festivals like this in the uk always have a few police officers, around and about always in uniform though, and many security not always in uniform.

also maybe have a day or two after to them self’s where they can just chill out and relax and get their body and mind back to a normal level. Whatever swiy chooses swim hopes they enjoy it and if any more advice or have any? you could pm me and i can find out from swim, for swiy.

it’s good swiy is taking the time to find out about these things before hand, as swim knows people who have not bothered to find out about things or educate them self's before such events get into trouble because they can’t handle the experience, drugs ect and it all being to much for them, making them ill. Some have ended up in hospital

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	great detailed post thanks!
	my thoughts exactly

[Kristy]

Personally, SWIM would leave the MDMA/XTC to the last night - that way you can end on a high and save the comedown til you are in the comfort of your own home. SWIM usually feels a bit achey (sore bones/back/jaw etc) after taking xtc and wouldnt want this for the second day of the festival.

As the others have suggested for the first night, SWIM would advise not taking something you have no experience with just incase you dont like it. SWIM is unsure what to recommend but is leaning away from anything amphetamine based for the first night, leave this for the second night.

Have fun x

[dnb warrior]

thanks again everyone for good responses!

swim has told me he is now thinking amphetamine will be best for night 2 and maybe just take it easy on the first night with some beer and weed maybe some sort of "herbal high" or possibly a smallish dosage of X so there is not too much of a comedown, and lots of 5-htp.

ghb just sounds a bit too dodgy! but swims friends have experience with ket so that is a possibility. although it shouldn't be mixed with alcohol according to erowid. and i think swim will also want to avoid taking two amphetamine based substances on the same day eg speed in the morning and x at night!

[oldman]

my swim would have to go against the popular opinion and side with Kristy, if he took the mdma te first night he would be bumming the next day he hadn't waited. he would just take a low dose amphets and weed night one, end with some K to help come down get some rest and then do the mdma the next night about midshow or tiome it for your favorite band at the peak. come down from amphets only has to be as bad as you make it, just take some early enjoy other things, you do not have to be looking like a gargoyle at 5am cause you been tweakin all night dude. that's just one opinion though we all got'em. nobody's the same, would like to hear a follow up on tis one if you get the chance.

[dnb warrior]

update: SWIM's festival is tomorrow. he has acquired lots of speed and some bud (speed is a white sticky substance). he will probably have some speed the first evening and just keep going til the end, and have a bit of weed and maybe some nitrous if they are selling it along the way. guna avoid the booze probably.

SWIM might be persuaded to give me a report to share with you lot if he is feeling up to it when he gets back!

[jesusfreak666er]

sounds good, swim has a feeling is swiy does enough speed he'll feel up to writing a novel sized report

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by oldman

DOC to swim resembles amphetemine & mesc somewhat at certain doses, not at the same time but usually up going up and a long but usually pleasant decline with visuals. hard to gauge that one if you never have used. and don't know how easily obtainable.

swim would chose the mdma for the night you favorite bands of the fest play. you'll already be kinda flowing in the right direction.

of coarse lots of bud, beers, doesn't find cola appealing unless you want to become complacent and depressed later.

he'd go low dose smooth amphet. like addy's if you're not on them alll the time would be good, end with ghb, next night mdma. maybe ghb again?

We don't have adderal or any pharmaceutical amphetamines in Europe, because they're illegal for both pharmaceutical and recreational uses.
We only have methylfenidate, which is the strongest CNS stimulant used for pharmaceutical purposes.

[jesusfreak666er]

are amphetamines illegal in all of europe or just specific countries? God what would swim do without adderall and dexedrine... and how do they treat sleep and fatigue disorders...maybe providgil

[Psych0naut]

Well they're certainly illegal in whole of Western-Europe, maybe not in Eastern Europe.
Methylfenidate is used for insomnia and fatigue disorders.

[turkeyphant]

Are you sure the strongest stimulant is methlyfenidate? I was pretty sure adderll and certainly dex weren't available over here. In fact an acquaintance is prescribed dexedrine, I think. A cursory google search seems to back this up. It would be good if you could clear this up by providing a souce for your claim.

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by psych0naut

Well they're certainly illegal in whole of Western-Europe, maybe not in Eastern Europe.
Methylfenidate is used for insomnia and fatigue disorders.

Dexedrine (dexamfetamine sulphate) is still prescribed in the U.K. for A.D.H.D. type syndromes, narcolepsy & the like, although not the 'prescription of choice' these days.