Bad Marijuana Experience, help needed

[Puff]

SWIM (is this really necessary?) had a very bad experience while using marijuana. SWIM began to panic, had very lucid perception, and began thinking that his body and mind were created my some other being and that the world around him was fake and computer generated and that he was the cyber body of someother being and that his mind was just the AI.

It should also be noted that SWIM is a very sensitive user and has a very low tolerance. He also uses a vaporizer. During this experience, SWIM vaporized enough weed to get him really fucked up. Then he did it a second time, making him feel fucked up times 2. He could barely move, and when he did, he felt VERY weak.

It sounds crazy, but SWIM experienced this and really needs HELP. SWIM has experienced derealization and depersonalization from that point on, thinking hat the world around him is jsut a dream and that life doesnt really matter. In fact he cant even fucking fully comprehend philosophical ideas from before he had this experience. SWIM, beofre the bad experience used to think that maybe life could be a dream, but now SWIM FEELS that life is a dream. SWIM has been sober for almost 2 weeks now. SWIM is feeling a tiny bit better but is still feeling out of it and derealized.

Can anyone help? Anyone ever felt this before? its not permanent is it?

btw this is my first real post so please dont bash.

[Alfa]

Wow, that is quite an experience. Please realise that this is a drug induced experience and thus not reality. SWIY should not smoke again.
SWIY should check his physical condition, to make sure that all aspects of this are top notch. i.e. make sure enough sleep, food, vitamines, exercise, etc are begotten to rule out that this is a factor. Do not underestimate the physical side of matters like this.

[Puff]

SWIM should never smoke again? thats a tragedy because SWIM bought half and ounce for the summer and for part of the next school year. And yes, SWIM gets at least 8 hours of sleep per night, SWIM eats right, and gets enough vitamins an excercise.

SWIM also has a very very active imagination.

[Abrad]

I will second Alfa's advice that SWIY should not smoke again. You said in another thread that you suffer Dissociative disorder which is another reason not to smoke. Your mental health is more important than getting high.

[plantshaman]

Marijuana's effects are often less than pleasant . Many people (females especialy) find THC to produce a horrible state of paranoid anxiety. Somehow THC has become a sort of social drugs but in swims opinion it causes him and most others to withdraw from social interaction.

The paranoid anxiety often turns into sort of obsessive compulsive behavior . short term memory is so impaired that something important, like locking the door, keeps coming to mind but one can't remember if he/she locked it already so with paranoia going strong the user checks that the door is locked over and over again.swim says he can't count how many times he's taken a shower and gone OCD on washing his hair cuz he couldn't remember if he washed it already.

It can dissociate one into some strange states of mind where nothing is connecting like it should and this can lead to more fear and panic . Swim says he knows very few long term users who haven't had a panic attack once or twice. Most users try it with low tolerance, smoke too much , then have a less than pleasant experience and decide not to use anymore .those who continue to use most likely found the effects , while less than pleasant , very interesting. These interesting effects gave the user reason to try it more and more often till tolerance built up , the negative effects where gone, and it then became a very pleasant experience. If a user has a tolerance the effects are much more pleasurable and the person can function while intoxicated on marijuana . Swim says high dose with no tolerance is nearly psychedelic , even producing vivid closed eye hypnogogic imagery.lets not forget tramendus time dialation!

Swim says its no surprise to him you had these so called weird/bad effects , he thinks they are very normal. What is really odd is you say its been weeks without a total return to baseline! Normaly a user will be back at baseline within 12-24 hours of smoking marijuana and often much less . Eating Marijuana can leave one slightly off base for even a few days if one takes a heroic dose.

IF YOUR STILL HAVING MENTAL EFFECTS MORE THAN 24 HOURS AFTER SMOKING MARIJUANA THEN SOMETHING IS NOT NORMAL. EVEN IF THE LASTING EFFECTS ARE NOT FEELING STONED BUT FEELING DISSOCIATED I'M GOING TO GO WITH ALPHA ON THIS ONE.... DON'T SMOKE CANNABIS AGAIN!

You will probably return to normal soon. Its just cannabis! Swim says if cannabis did this to you then you might want to stay away from psychedelic and dissociative drugs.

[Puff]

SWIM would also like to add that that dissociative disorder in the other thread is the one in this thread. The one that came from the panic attack.

[Puff]

SWIM looked on erowid and it says that the withdrawal symptoms of marijuana include anxiety. Anxiety can also cause derealization. SWIM also saw that these feelings go away after 1 - 6 weeks. SWIM has vaporized many times and was fine, infact, it was some of the best times of his life, and that this experience was the first. SWIM thinks that maybe never using weed again is a drastic suggestion

[plantshaman]

SWIM says just use caution , lower the dose for a while maybe.

[Puff]

SWIM would also like to say bear with him but he has one more thing to add. SWIM vaped weed and got high on sunday night, the 18th, and felt amazing the next day, free of derealization, but then decided to get high on monday night, and then the derealization returned. SWIM then went sober since then which brings us up to date.

[The Doors]

SWIM actually had this happen to him a few years ago. The first time SWIM really and SWIM means really high, not just feeling buzzed, his whole perception of life changed. It seemed like everything did not seem real. This did indeed last for a couple of months but SWIM was still sane enough to know that his surroudings were real even though most of the time things seemed different.


SWIM doesn't think that not smoking will make things go away, SWIM didn't smoke for nearly 8months and it still hadn't went away. Things are fine now and SWIM basically smokes every day now.

[trip.more]

Yes swim has had friends who get panick attacks from weed.swims advice would be to take break for a month or so.Maybe some type of benzo would also help.

[quili]

Yes, this response is not common, but not abnormal either. The first time swim's friend smoked weed she literally went into a 2-3 week period of psychosis. She was not allowed to drive or be alone- even just to go into her basement because she was suicidal. They were even considering putting her in some sort of mental hospital. She got some sort of medication from her psychiatrist, too. She was saying things that you mentioned above- about how her whole perception seemed different/off. Nothing seemed real. Dream-like. She couldn't understand life or something like that. As you might expect, she took a long break from smoking. She did start up again though several months later and it never happened again. Swim thinks that it depends on the person. Swim's friend is still more prone to panicking when smoking (and in general) than swim. Swim usually just chills out and is calmer, whereas swim's friend can get hyper and/or freak out sometimes. Swim would definitely recommend taking a break for the time being. And for the future, it seems like a good idea to keep in mind that swiy have the potential for this sort of reaction, so be cautious and aware of that.

[CrookedEye]

Not to go against the grain, as some have given decent advice.. In swim's experience, strong herb can cause paranoia in any infrequent user, or even regular schwag smokers.. With more frequent use, the paranoia and anxiety usually disappears, and the pleasant high is felt.. Swim had to quit for probation, and when he started back, he almost bugged out, but he knew of the effects and just sucked it up, and smoked more as he began to come down... He now smokes just like he always has, but notices when he goes for more than 8 hours without smokin, he does have a higher chance of feeling that anxiety, however, the intensity is nothing like when he doesn't smoke for a long period of time.. Swim now smokes and eats ganja (food) all day, everyday, and loves every minute of it..

[sk8er4ever0101]

SWIM has had crazy experiances, EXTREME time distortion, audio hallucinations (like real far away or close voices from friends...) it was having no tolerance and smoking too much female plant... real stanky one at that


never had the problem unless i overdid it... but now tolerance set in and i have zero troubles....just feel great!@

[desolated000]

Christ how much did swiy smoke?

[podge]

maybe swiy just hit way too much causing a pshycedelic experience that swiy isnt used too and couldnt handle.or maybe swiy just shouldnt smoke at all.maybe swiy should try smoking a much smaller amount and if swiy doesnt feel ok then consider stopping.

[Praxis]

man that sounds a lot like my experience! Did you ever go back to smoking it?

now that we are on this topic...i have a small topic related question...We all know that smoking the weed can raise the anxiety levels and whatnot, but what effect does the THC that stays in your body have on anxiety? Can this cause anxiety levels to be raised or stay high even after the high is over?

[Alicia]

Lol Fun Fun.. AS been said before and by many people both on and off this forum its NOT for everyone..

[Kid A]

this is almost exactly what happened to SWIM. SWIM had this same feeling. SWIM believes they call it depersonalization / derealization. It is apparently common to feel this way after a panic attack. These feelings can last for days, weeks, months and for some, sadly, years. like SWIM said, SWIM has felt like this exactly, that life is a dream. It is also very common among people who use MDMA, and practically any drug. Your supposed to THINK life is an illusion, not actually FEEL like life is an illusion.

I had felt like this for 6 months, almost the same amount of time as SWIM Puff. SWIM is currently now practically back to normal (90% at least) and have been drunk and had a small HB Woodrose trip, with no negative effects, at least none that he couldn't handle. SWIM has also worked out many ideas about reality and feels he has a more solid grip on it than before.

Puff...Did your SWIM ever go back to smoking? SWIM feels that since he had a small trip and has been drunk a few times, and considering that he has better methods for controlling anxiety and fears, that it would be safe for him to start back up again. SWIM took one toke after the DP / DR got better like the first month after the panic attack, and was fine, except that he was worrying that he would go into that feeling of unreality again. He didnt, and it wasn't a bad experience, he was just more anxious the next couple of days.

What is your opinion guys?

[mert2012]

Seems like this is indeed more common then I thought. SWIM wrote about his own experience in this thread:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25323

The jist of it is that swim was a daily smoker, then one day had a massive panic attack from less then a gram vaporized and hasn't been the same since. Though its been 6 months since it happened, he is feeling about 80% better (however its extremely hard to judge). He wishes he could smoke weed but doesn't know if hes able to and is not yet willing to try. In the meantime he has taken a liking to dexamphetamine (dexedrine) and it seems to have no ill effects on his psyche (however he only does it once or twice every couple of weeks).

[Kid A]

Well the Derealization and Depersonalization is a form a dissociative disorder, and DXM is definately a dissociative, SWIM would think It would exacerbate the symptoms. But hey everyone is different so if it doesnt...more power to SWIY.

SWIM is gonna take a chance with some Northern Lights Indica, as Indica is known to reduce anxiety, which feeds the DP / DR.

[mert2012]

This is true, however swim only did DXM twice, shrooms twice, E once and salvia around 5 times (with only the most recent being a real level 5 trip, the others being mild level 2-3 trips). Nothing but the salvia trip truly impacted swim. It has been a year since that day. Good luck with the indica!