Experiences - planing first san pedro experience

[tre2005be]

SWIM is planning on taking his first psychedelic journey using san pedro. SWIM will be ordering dry san pedro off of an online vendor. SWIM was wondering what the best way of íngesting san pedro is, and how much SWIM hould take for a mild introdution to mescaline containing cacti, plus is there any activities that SWIM might find fun whilst trippin. Help, ideas, suggestions all welcome and greatly appreciated.

[tre2005be]

sorry its peruvian torch that SWIM will be purchasing.

[Nature Boy]

The most straight-forward way to consume Peruvian Torch is to boil and simmer it in a pot for 4-5 hours then strain any remaining bits and pieces out. Add lemon and lime to try and kill the foul taste and then drink it back but drink it slow because it will taste really bad. SWIM would recommend about 30g for first time use although generally people tend to enjoy the experience and there may be no harm in going as high as 50g for first time effects. Compared to other psychedelics, mescaline cactus does not seem overwhelming or inhibiting. SWIM recommends going for a walk in nature if SWIY consumes the Peruvian Torch on a nice day.

[Barebonejoe]

I recomend having sliced lemons ready, so you can suck on them after each gulp - kind of like how some people like to do shots.

From what I hear, just mixing lemon juice to the brew isn't very effective.


And I recomend relaxing in a very simple atmosphere. SWIM likes to tidy up his house while his cacus material is boiling, so when he is on his journey, his surroundings are more peaceful. If you decide you want to go outside and hang outside your house, or go for a walk, I definitely recomend that also.

I think simplicity and nature are the keys to getting the most out of a cacti/mesc trip. Not having too much to distract you from outside of your body allows you to focus easier, making it a more profound experience.

That can definitely be debated though.

[tre2005be]

so would sitting in my back garden be a good thing to do? also i have heard reports that 20g is more than enough for a good trip? i really dont want to overdo it, SWIM had a bad experience on HBW seeds and has been quite fearful of doing anything trippy ever since.

[robin_himself]

Originally Posted by tre2005be

so would sitting in my back garden be a good thing to do? also i have heard reports that 20g is more than enough for a good trip? i really dont want to overdo it, SWIM had a bad experience on HBW seeds and has been quite fearful of doing anything trippy ever since.

Then start at 20g... its good to start the trip at ease. Also don't try and compare the trip of HBW seeds to Mescaline because that's like comparing an Apple to a Grape. If one didn't like the apple and had a bad experience this doesn't tell you nothing about the grape. For Swim HBW seeds where always a nuisance on the mind and very hard to get a nice experience. In swims opinion mescaline will be alot easyer.

[tre2005be]

thank you for the quick and helpful answers SWIM feels a bit more confident about experiencing san pedro in the next few weeks now.

[Nature Boy]

Just a note on dosage, mescaline levels in Peruvian Torch can be quite inconsistent. One particular batch may have one enjoying a full experience on 20g while another may require up to 50g to reach that level. It isn't that much a cause for concern generally because a person on mescaline remains quite clear-minded and taking large doses wouldn't provide the same challenges that large doses of mushrooms or acid would, in my opinion at least anyway.

[podge]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Just a note on dosage, mescaline levels in Peruvian Torch can be quite inconsistent. One particular batch may have one enjoying a full experience on 20g while another may require up to 50g to reach that level. It isn't that much a cause for concern generally because a person on mescaline remains quite clear-minded and taking large doses wouldn't provide the same challenges that large doses of mushrooms or acid would, in my opinion at least anyway.

nature boys got it right.playing soccer on peruvian torch is unreal.anything outdoors will be fun really.enjoy the trip!

[tre2005be]

so even if i i do get some weak peruvian torch its possible to still feel the effects of the cactus off of 20g? also if it is strong stuff will the experience not be to intense? sorry about all these questions and fears but it all stems back to a very bad HBW seeds trip swim had.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM's never tried HBW seeds but understands that they produce a very different effect to mescaline cactus. As psychedelics go, many people do not enjoy HBW seeds. Mescaline is probably the most enjoyable psychedelic. It isn't as intense as mushrooms or acid and very few people have negative experiences on it. Come to think of it, SWIM has never heard of anyone having a bad trip on mescaline.

[tre2005be]

right then its settled!! SWIM will try out peruvian torch in the next few weeks, i'll report back on my experience.

[Nature Boy]

No you won't. SWIY will.

[tre2005be]

oh crap ye, i'll be doing no such thing SWIM will!!

[Barebonejoe]

Actually, he will be reporting back on someone whome he met's experience. P

[jesusfreak666er]

swim cant stress enough, anti nasaua measures swiy should take, take dramamine/benadryl/or rx zofran, prior and during the first few hours and dosing. Swiy should also try smoking weed on the come up, that helps with nasaua. It is very likely that swiy will puke, but when its time to finally puke swiy will know, try to hold it for as long as possible so as much of the mesc can be absorbed as possible. for a first trip it is hard to say to recomend a dosage since all cacti are different. Swim buys online p torch powder off a very well known auction site, and uses 30-50 (50 being on the high side)... swim recomends dried torch powder, capsulated ate over 1 hour or so. the more swiy spreads out the dosage time, the less sick swiy might feel. good luck and be sure to post swiys findings

[Nature Boy]

Vomiting is likely alright but not necessarily the given that many people say it is when drinking Peruvian Torch extract. SWIM has a fairly weak stomach (he's often puked after eating shrooms and used to get car sick a lot when he was younger) but was still able to keep the vile brew down. Taking your time is the key.

[jesusfreak666er]

swim always pukes, but always eats the mesc (p torch) capsulated and stupidly doesnt space it out very well... has swiy noticed that drinking an extract (tea) is easier on the stomach?

[Nature Boy]

SWIM would imagine that the sheer volume of the capsules would probably upset the stomach. Don't get me wrong, the extract tastes absolutely vile but if drank really slowly with plenty of water to chase it down, it's well managable and worth it.

[jesusfreak666er]

how much (volume-wise) does a tea or extract really reduce the cactus powder too? How soluble is cactus in water, is there something something the cactus is more soluble in without going through a complete extraction?

btw quick response time.. nice

[tre2005be]

so which method is better for not vomitting in SWIY's opinion?

[jesusfreak666er]

swim has only tried capsulating and eating dried p torch... it works fairly well if spread out and high doses are not needed (swim puked violently at 60g, had very lil problem at 25g, and ok time at 40ish)

[Nature Boy]

@ jesusfreak666er:

Water works just fine in its extraction of the cactus. There may be some more efficient liquid that could be used but SWIM is unaware of one. Volume-wise it's much more advisable to use as little water as possible during the simmering because the less water to drink, the better. Some will argue that the less water you use, the fouler the extract will taste, and this may be true to an extent, but in SWIM's opinion less is more seeing as any reasonable volume of water with melted down cactus in it will taste rough.

@ tre2005be:

SWIY's never tried the capsule method but would imagine that foul-tasting liquid is easier to keep down than capsule upon capsule loaded with dried Peruvian Torch.

[jesusfreak666er]

1 thing, when swollowing capsules... one doesnt get any foul taste at all...

[tre2005be]

SWIM thinks he'll try making a brew out of it. SWIM wants to say thanks for your time and help.

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