Md???

[blackbeard]

about a week ago, swim ingested something he believed was mdma, but definitely was not. using the internet, swim utilized a great site that identified the beans in question ("yellow mercedes" from florida) and the suspected chemical makeup (250mg, 10:1 - meth:mda). swim had never done either substance before, at least not knowingly, but the experience was great!......until swim was unable to sleep for 3 days straight!!!!!! swim did not feel shitty or restless during those three days, maybye because of the copious amounts of hydrocodone he was ingesting. does anyone know if it was the mda or the meth that caused the insomnia? or maybye it was both? does mda cause insomnia? by the way, 3 x 250mg was the dose swim ingested.

FACT: Do not buy MDMA in tijuana! buy everything else though!

[hh339]

MDA will keep SWIY up for around 8-12 hours. Meth on the other hand will most likely keep SWIY up for a couple of days if a big dose was ingested. MDMA is even shorter lasting than MDA. Meth was defenitly what kept SWIY up for 3 days.

[Nagognog2]

Your math here is rather confusing. Are you saying SWIM took 750mg of MDA? If so, it wouldn't really matter if it was the meth or the MDA that kept SWIM climbing the walls. Both are amphetamines.

MDA is quite active at 140mg to around 200mg for most bipedal simians. 250mg is considered a maximum dose with approx. 10% of users feeling toxic effects over 200mg. 750mg of MDA is a WAAAAY too much. I won't even speculate on the amount of methamphetamine that was in these, other than to say that if they had 250mg MDA - they didn't need any!

I'd suggest SWIM steer clear of these, or at least take under one tablet. Good gravy!

[hh339]

I got the impression that SWIB took around 75 mgs of MDA and 700 mgs of meth. 3 x 250 mgs of a ratio of 10:1 meth/MDA would make it roughly that, if SWIB has the right idea of what and how much was in there.

[Psych0naut]

The duration of an oral dose of normal amphetamines is more then one day, let alone a big dose of methamphetamine.
Next time, check what's in it before you take it.

[Nagognog2]

Either/Or! 750mg of meth?? Yow!! Crank-Bugs on Parade. That would be awful. Bongo would rather suffer with the 750mg of MDA. At least his anxiety attack would peter out in a day or so. What the beelzebub compells people to put a whopping O.D. in a pill in the first place? Were they running low on glue and rat-poison as binders and needed to move the stuff out in a hurry?

[sterling77]

Judging from the ratios he gave for the contents, he got this info from ecstacydata. This site is down and pretty much all the data is too old to be of any value.

Edit- looked up yellow mercedes at ecstacydata and found the one he was looking at: 10 parts meth to one part mdma. This was from year 2002.

[M3th]

I wouldnt trust a site though. YOu are taking your calculations from another pill someone else had. Not the same pill..

[raven3davis]

First of all, there is no telling if the pill you see on some ID site is the same one you have. The pills you described have a copious amount of meth in them with a smaller dose of MDA right? (meth: 10, MDA: 1) Even if the pill on the ID site is not the exact pill you had, SWIM thinks it is okay to assume your pill had meth if you stayed up for three days. If the pills wouldnt have had the added methamphetamine, you probably would not have been up three days.

The weight displayed on the pill ID sites is the weight of the entire pill. You must also calculate the weight of the binder which is not possible since ED is not allowed to show the actual amount of active ingredients in the pill. They can only give you the ratio and weight of the entire pill. Different presses have different amount of binders in them so determining the amount of MDA and meth would require further analysis.

FROM XTCDATA
"From this data, there is no reliable way to determine the total quantity of an active ingredient present in the pill. "MDMA: 2, Caffeine: 1" could mean either "100 mg MDMA and 50 mg Caffeine" or "4 mg MDMA and 2 mg Caffeine". The DEA does not allow laboratories to provide quantitative testing results to the public."

There you have it. Your pill could have had 10mg of meth and 1mg of MDA, 100mg meth and 10mg MDA, 200mg meth and 20mg MDA. SWIM cannot imagine this being too pleasant of an experience. There is no way to really tell the amount you took, and SWIM does not have experience with pure MDA by itself.

Nagognog2 says that MDA is active at around 160mg so even if your pills have 200mg meth and 20mg MDA (which would leave only 30mg of binder), you would have only injested 60mg MDA. METH BOMB!!!

Sounds like you just injested a shit load of meth. Maybe MDA is active at 60mg but that would be considered a very weak dose. SWIM would say the pills had an absolute maximum of 600mg meth but that is even pushing it. Luckily you did not overdose from such a high amount.

You can safely say that the pill you took had speed but that is probably typical of several different mercedes presses so tthe ration was not necessarily Meth: 10, MDA: 1. Maybe you mixed the numbers up? 10:1 is possible but 1:10 would be a more common ration. It doesnt sound like your experience was too horrible though, and luckily you are okay. Test kits are always valuable and molly is great, but swim was on vacation and got sold some sketch tabs......guess it just happens.