chasing the dragon vs. opium

[Omelet]

SWIM has never taken any opiates before, but is just curious about how "chasing the dragon" would compare to smoking opium...

any information would be much appreciated...

[dr.gonzo]

Chasing the dragon IS smoking opium, friend.

[tangent1]

If SWIY is talking about smoking heroin then SWIM would say that it is a far more intense experience to smoking opium. The escalation in high is more dramatic and SWIM would say that more caution should be applied. Little bit at a time would be his advise and wait a while before deciding that nothing is happening as with opium. If no opiates have ever been used then Swim would advise treating it with extreme caution.

[enquirewithin]

"Chasing the dragon" is a method of smoking, which can be done with opium or heroin.

As tangent1 says, smoking heroin that way is more powerful, but many prefer opium becuase it is slighly more subtle and gives more pleasant dreams.

[jesusfreak666er]

swim is confused, so chasing the dragon is a method of smoking, cuz swim has only heard it in reference to opium smoking, but you learn something new every day.

[adzket]

yeah chasing the dragon is a common phrase used in reffrance to smoking herion or opium. because as you run the substance it produces smoke which you folow ( chase) with a tube to get the smoke into your self. opium is sometimes preferd because it can be hallucinogenic where as h generaly is not.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by adzket

yeah chasing the dragon is a common phrase used in reffrance to smoking herion or opium. because as you run the substance it produces smoke which you folow ( chase) with a tube to get the smoke into your self. opium is sometimes preferd because it can be hallucinogenic where as h generaly is not.

That's correct:

The first heroin smoking originated in Shanghai in the 1920s and involved use of porcelain bowls and bamboo tubes, thereafter spreading across much of Eastern Asia and to the United States over the next decade. 'Chasing the dragon' was a later refinement of this form of heroin smoking, originating in or near Hong Kong in the 1950s, and refers to the ingestion of heroin by inhaling the vapours which result when the drug is heated-typically on tin-foil above a flame. Subsequent spread of 'chasing the dragon' included spread to other parts of South East Asia during the 1960s and 1970s, to some parts of Europe during the late 1970s and early 1980s, and to much of the Indian sub-continent during the 1980s.

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/heroin.htm

This method, i.e., smoking a substance from tin foil through a tube, whilst heating it underneath, can be used for heroin, opium, hash oil and other smokable drugs.

Opium is not really hallucinogenic in the sense that LSD or psylocybin is-- it makes the user drift off into dreams, during which he is semi-conscious.

[BumpBump]

Swim chased the dragon with H number 3 and honey oil(purest hash oil) mixed
Swim hallucinated and seen a cat in his kitchen. Swim expects this was down to the hash oil though...

[JaWill88]

interesting swim has only heard "chasing the dragon" referred to heroin. at least on the street. opium is not hallucinogenic at all. and both will induce semi-conscious sleep and vivid dreams.

[BumpBump]

thats what swim thought, but he was high as fuck never the less. Has SWIY tried chasing honey oil?

[samuraigecko]

"Chasing the dragon" has been explained before but is not what this thread is about. "Chasing the dragon" simply refers to smoking (started as opium) because One is always

"Searching for (chasing) that first high (which doesnt exist I.E: The Dragon)"

It is now common reference for smoking Heroin which is what thread starter meant.


Heroin and Opium smoking cannot really be compared but if it was to be compared then One would have to state this -
"Heroin is specific and direct in its effects, One is high but not in a trippy way"
"Opium is more abstract in its effects, it can be different almost every time"
"Opium is more trippy in its effects, which is why alot of artists have used it for inspiration"
"Heroin was designed for one thing and is the ONE opiate"
"Opium is a combination of Opiates working synergistically"
"Heroin is a Modern and in some views 'barbaric' practice" (not Ones view)
"Opium is an ancient and 'elegantly underground' practice"

It comes down to personal preference really. Ones own view is that One would tend to trust SWIMs poppies (something he has seen growing and processed) rather than trust something that has been handled / transported / adulterated / jumped on / cut / degraded / impurities added etc. Just seems logical to One but One does not judge others for their own decisions.

Just My Opinion . .

[Sandozboy]

If your a newbie chasing the H dragon will surely result in vomiting, while the O dragon is likely to cause thirst and itching.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Sandozboy

If your a newbie chasing the H dragon will surely result in vomiting, while the O dragon is likely to cause thirst and itching.

Chasing H wont surely result as such, Ones experience there did not end so. It all depends on how much one has, with H if one sticks to about half a point or less depending on body size then they should just feel pretty damn smashed. With O the same goes, SWIMs first experience with O was over 20 years ago in Asia, He had a smoke of a piece about the size of a pea. Threw up well 'n propper. lol.

Anyone looking for recommendations for dosage should look in the opiate dosage section. Everything is fairly accurate there.

[sweetsugar]

Originally Posted by tangent1

If SWIY is talking about smoking heroin then SWIM would say that it is a far more intense experience to smoking opium. The escalation in high is more dramatic and SWIM would say that more caution should be applied. Little bit at a time would be his advise and wait a while before deciding that nothing is happening as with opium. If no opiates have ever been used then Swim would advise treating it with extreme caution.

SWIM TOTALY AGREES!
Swim tried smoking opium yrs before trying H(or any opiates), and wow what an experience swim yells to me! Swim was high for 2 days and throwing up on the 3rd.. Extreamly intense!

Extreme caution should be taken while taking any drug(s)