best route for k-hole

[arman]

hi,

SWIM has been tried 4 ways in order to reach k-hole using ketamine,
(sorted by better effects)

1. Intramuscular (IM):

SWIM used ketamine this way as the usual way, it is not only very easy and effective, its also more easy for your body to deal with. SWIM thinks IM is the best route for k-hole, but in order to use ketamine as a club drug the best route is insufflation.

2. Intravenous (IV):

SWIM used ketamine by this route about 3 times, he thinks it is very quick and cause the experience to be more hard if you are a newbie in using this drug. Anyway, it is very similar to IM but it causes damage to your veins if used frequently, so SWIM thinks IM route is a healthier route.

3. Insufflated

SWIM used ketamine by this route about 10 times and guess it is more dangerous this way cause it helps the ketamine to become a habit and lead the user to use it several times a day. This route also causes damage to nose in doses nessecary for k-hole, so it is better to use IM route for k-hole I think. For SWIM it takes a lot of time to recover from the experience and he doesn't like it at all.

4. Oral

SWIM used the oral route 3 times, the first time he was testing it consuming about 50mg by dissolving it in water and drinking it. But used about 400 mg of it 2 times, and he has to say that it is actually very hard to stomach. So SWIM thinks this way is the worst way to use the ketamine as not only it takes a lot of ketamine to take the effects it also causes a lot of trouble for body.

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there is a rectal way not tried by SWIM but he thinks it is very similar to oral way except it doesn't have anything to do with stomach, so it should be better for body.

anyway, those who use ketamine in powder form for insufflation should be very careful as it is very habit-forming and can cause a lot of problem if taken frequently. set your limits before trying it.

Overall, SWIM thinks 100mg IM route is the best route to be on a k-hole for a good amount of time.

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[raven3davis]

Can you elaborate on the effects ketamine has on the stomach? Did it make you puke? Ketamine has made SWIM puke via IM so this method might not be for him. Also, once the price is taken into consideration, 400mg is going to put a dent in your wallet.

[enquirewithin]

As is mentioned elsewhere, ketamine is metabolised into norketamine when taken orally. Not many would choose this route of administration. Generally, it's best not take ketamine until at least an hour after eating to avoid nausea.

[arman]

As far as I know all anesthetic drugs will induce nausea after administration and ketamine is not an exception.

SWIM always take ketamine (any route) at least 2 hours after eating but sometimes that SWIM feels that his stomach is not empty, he tries to puke before administration so he could has a nice trip on ketamine.

about puking on ketamine, using oral route will only make things worse.

[raven3davis]

SWIM is just scared he might go into the k hole and choke on his own vomit. Has anyone ever heard of this happening? SWIM might not even be aware of the fact that this would be happening. SWIM is not too concerned though because the nausea always comes after the peak when SWIM is fully aware of his surroundings.

[arman]

Well, I think it is possible that someone choke on his own vomit.

here are 4 ways to avoid such situations:

1. As mentioned before, SWIY should try taking ketamine at least 2 hours after eating to ensure that his stomach is as empty as possible.

2. SWIY can empty his stomach by vomiting before taking ketamine, this will also help avoid nausea for about 30 mins.

3. SWIY can lay on his side, instead of his back, because this can help the pukes get out of the mouth and don't go into airway.

4. Have trip-sitter to look after SWIY, in the case of puking he can help SWIY get into the position that let the pukes get out, he may also try some first-aid routines if necessary.

Peace

[mfrieze]

I think the best way to take ketamine is by snorting. It just is so much easier that way. it is not hard to snort 200mg of ketamine if you have been doing it for a while. Swim has IM'd ketamine before and it was great, but SWIM would just rather snort it. Also Swim has never had a problem with chokin in the khole. Swim mostly vomits while he is coming down off of it

[Beltane]

SWIM's opinion, and one that's been echoed by other K fans, is that IM is the way to the true K/K-hole experience. 100 units is practically bulletproof as a starting dose. 150 is fine also and possibly recommended for a bigger (250lbs+ ?) person.

SWIM has extensive experience with K in all the methods mentioned and has never vomited even at high dosages. He's never seen a person vomit from K either for the record.

- Beltane

[Psych0naut]

SWIM agress with Beltane, it's much more efficient and works better, also it has a much better "feeling" for SWIM, it already starts when injecting. SWIM sometimes has the problem of getting a runny nose when snorting, which is very irritating when lying in bed, K-holing.
SWIM has also never vomited while on ketamine, and didn't hear from friends that they had to vomit either.

[JumpinJackFlash]

Ketamine does cause nausea in some cases, I know because it has happened to SWIM. However this occured when SWIM had also had some alchohol (3 - 4 pints) and it occured on the up instead of the comedown. SWIM would recommend the not eating/drinking route to avoid nausea, SWIM is just a pillock who like a few cans

[bewilderment]

Swim will be getting some ketamine in the future (probably in about two weeks or so). Her main goal has been to experience a K-hole, but didn't succeed with her previous attempts. She's mostly just used insufflation and did I.M. injection once. She did about 90mg with the I.M injection and really didn't feel a whole lot more than insufflating a bunch of ketamine. It was more efficient, yes, but didn't get her much further.

Anyway, swim doesn't know what brand she had previously, but knows that the brand she will be getting soon is Aneket which she's read is the S(+) isomer human grade. She assumes that the previous batch was the usual animal grade since she figures it would have been touted as Aneket or something similar otherwise in order to make an easier sell. Does anyone know how this may compare to swim's previous batch and how she should adjust her dosage?

She's going to play with insufflation at first to test the potency, but plans on trying out the I.M. administration route as well at some point. Seeing as how she didn't experience much with her previous attempt and this will be a different type (has anyone tried this particular brand, by the way?) around how much would be recommended in order to get into K-hole territory? She thinks that her last experiences with K were a few months ago during the summer time. She seems to have a big cross-tolerance issue because of her previous heavy usage of DXM. And, she is a 115lb. female. Thanks for any advice.

[arman]

SWIbewilderment,

S-ketamine is 2 times more potent with less CNS stimulation, compared with racemic.

anyway, SWIM thinks it is better to try it with insufflation first to know how much more potent it is.
and if you are going to inject it, the last time SWIY asked for suggestion for IM ketamine for reaching k-hole (in Ketamine Experiences thread):

Originally Posted by arman

SWIbewilderment, SWIM thinks its nice to try 110-120mg in your first time. and its just his personal opinion. as many believe 100mg is IM's standard k-hole dosage and considering SWIY's tolerance and the amount of time from SWIY's last experience that dosage will be sufficient for k-hole.

SWIM still thinks he suggested the right dose (for racemic), but SWIY takes the safer (which is better BTW) dosage, 90mg ketamine (racemic) IM.

now, SWIM thinks the best way is to try the potency by insufflating it, but he says you can try 50mg IM to know how much more potent it is. You may even reach the k-hole by 50mg s-ketamine IM.

anyway, better to be safe than sorry.

[bewilderment]

Thanks for the response. Swim does plan on playing it safe and probably shooting low for the first I.M. administration and then judging things from there especially as she is a beginner when it comes to using any sort of injection route. I've heard conflicting reports of potency when comparing the different types of ketamine so I thought I'd try to get some more info for swim. Swim plans on reporting somewhere or another her judgment as to how this new batch compares to the previous batches. But, she won't be trying anything out for about another week or two.

[Psych0naut]

SWIM normally uses ketanest, which is pure s-ketamine, and a dose of 75mg s-ketamine equals to 100mg racemic ketamine.
SWIM says from experience that pure s-ketamine and racemic ketamine both give different kinds of experiences.
SWIM IM'ed around 67,5mg of s-ketamine last time, and he had a very nice k-hole, so SWIM reccomends for someone with a low tolerance to try a little bit smaller dose, though SWIBewilderment might need a little bit more because of the cross-tolerance with DXM, maybe 80mg s-ketamine?

[upperdecker]

Do yoes SWIY actually enjoy being in a hole? SWIM was in his first hole the other night and it was a pretty frightening though amazing experience.

[Psych0naut]

Ow yes indeed, it's a magical place according to SWIM, that's also were it's addictiveness lyes, alway's wanting to go back.

[blinkKDX]

how about a Sub Q. injection of K?

[asplinteredfawn]

Swim just adores half cc doses of I.V. Ket straight from the vile. Definately the most immersive.

[arman]

Originally Posted by blinkKDX

how about a Sub Q. injection of K?

it is possible, although some say it may leak but thats not the case if injected correctly (inject deep enough, wait before drawing needle out)

SWIM never tried it, but it should be like IM, may be a little faster onset.

[baybluesmad]

Swims preferred route for Khole is IV, although im is good swim prefers the onset of iv much more. Insufflate is also good but not for K hole in swims experience.