Legal Powder In Japan.. dont know...help please.

[Abrad]

As I suggested earlier in this thread go and buy an XTC testing kit and compare the reaction to those given in this thread. This method is by no means perfect but will give you some idea and is better than the guessing game we are playing at the moment.

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a good thought regardless...

[fatal]

that is unlikely to be useful as there is a good likelihood that this chemical is a) highly cut with other materials and b) is likely also a combination of more than one RC. give it a shot though.

[Nagognog2]

Be nice if someone were to stick a knife to the seller and have him swallow all the "secret RC" he had. I'll bet he'd come up with a name once he was in the hospital having his stomach pumped. But that would be cruel. Just let his customers wind up in the hospital - with no idea what they took! Brilliant.

[fatal]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Be nice if someone were to stick a knife to the seller and have him swallow all the "secret RC" he had. I'll bet he'd come up with a name once he was in the hospital having his stomach pumped. But that would be cruel. Just let his customers wind up in the hospital - with no idea what they took! Brilliant.

that may be the most useful thought of this whole thread. swim will buy his ticket to tokyo...

[Benga]

Originally Posted by fatal

that may be the most useful thought of this whole thread. swim will buy his ticket to tokyo...

having spent some time hunting down such "street vendors" in Tokyo last February, SWIM assures you there were none around, from Shibuya ( even in the techno-alternative haven on the hills behind) to Shinjuku and other potential hotspots around the city. And SWIM speaks japanese...
Plenty of headshops with rasta gear, smoking paraphernalia and ethnobotanicals, sexshops, sure, but no RC vendors as in that famous picture which has many people drooling or grinding their teeth in irritation.
SWIM assumed this was due to the change of laws, as it was hinted ( the Tokyoite tendency to hint...).
But maybe it's a seasonal thing, they come out in summer and spring, and hibernate in winter....
Take that into consideration while sharpening your knives and ticket hunting.

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[Alfa]

Although it is very unethical of the vendor not to tell what's in the product, there is more to the story. The Japanese government regularly checks the shops for new Research chemicals, in order to ban them. If my information's right they do this monthly. In such a situation it is simply impossible to sell new Research chemicals named. Selling them unnamed will make it extremely hard for the Japanese gov to analise them as they probably have no reference standards for new Research chemicals. The shop may find this as the only way of being able to offer Research chemicals.

You might remember the room odorisers as caribean cocos, red passion, etc. Although nobody knew what was in them at that time (it turned out later that most of them simply contained MDMA and amphetamine), the masses bought them anyway without second thoughts. Seems that the masses just do not care. If it works, it goes.

So in spite of the ethics most of us will hold against such sales strategies, you have a mass of customers, who simply do not care what they gulp and a government which will ban the Research chemical as soon as they identify it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the shop owner has no clue what the substance is. It is the Japanes government which has created this situation.

Compare it to the USA shops who sell poisonous non consumables. Hell, the whole Research chemical idea is a direct result of the US laws. Most are used to the Research chemicals idea, but it is totally insane and leads to dangerous situations, which could and should have been avoided by US authorities. Since the EU food supplement directive, the same concept has landed in the EU as well. Salvia, Kratom and many other plants and compounds are for sale as incense, etc.

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very informative & a very good post.!.

[Tokyo-expat]

orgive my soon to be foul language. your vendor is a piece of shit. he told you this is some sort of secret RC that he doesnt want anyone to know about blah blah blah. bullshit. bullshit i say. this guy doesnt have anything that isnt already freely traded on the international market. if he did he would give up his kiosk and start making some real money. he is a liar and a thief and a scammer. clearly he has also told you that ayahuascha (yes that is what your LSD tea is) is like LSD. it is actually far from it. if you were to go into drinking some thinking that you would get a very nasty surprise when your soul melted like candle wax and turned into liquid color which is then smoked by an eagle spirit and exhaled into a new dimension filled with elves and spirits and gods and the like. and also his explanation about not wanting the government to find out about this rc is also a crock. if he has it they know about it. if there is a negative incident which would prompt them to ban it then it seems obvious to me that it would be a simple task for them to take the material and test it. or just send an undercover up to the kiosk buy some and gcms it. they are actually smarter than you think. by the way since this thread is already ripe with this type of assheaded speculation let me throw my hat into the ring and say that it is probably made of 10% fairy dust 15% speculation and 75% BS.

You have absolutely NO clue about the Japanese goverment or what its like trying to have someone explain something to you when SWIH doesnt speak english and SWIM speaks poor japanese.. ayahuascha yes swim beleives that is what it is called.. but you sould hear him pronounce it.
And if you have nothing to contribute to the thread, why not NOT post on it. Does it bother you that much?

Although it is very unethical of the vendor not to tell what's in the product, there is more to the story. The Japanese government regularly checks the shops for new Research chemicals, in order to ban them. If my information's right they do this monthly. In such a situation it is simply impossible to sell new Research chemicals named. Selling them unnamed will make it extremely hard for the Japanese gov to analise them as they probably have no reference standards for new Research chemicals. The shop may find this as the only way of being able to offer Research chemicals.

You might remember the room odorisers as caribean cocos, red passion, etc. Although nobody knew what was in them at that time (it turned out later that most of them simply contained MDMA and amphetamine), the masses bought them anyway without second thoughts. Seems that the masses just do not care. If it works, it goes.

So in spite of the ethics most of us will hold against such sales strategies, you have a mass of customers, who simply do not care what they gulp and a government which will ban the Research chemical as soon as they identify it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the shop owner has no clue what the substance is. It is the Japanes government which has created this situation.

Compare it to the USA shops who sell poisonous non consumables. Hell, the whole Research chemical idea is a direct result of the US laws. Most are used to the Research chemicals idea, but it is totally insane and leads to dangerous situations, which could and should have been avoided by US authorities. Since the EU food supplement directive, the same concept has landed in the EU as well. Salvia, Kratom and many other plants and compounds are for sale as incense, etc.

Thank you ALfa for explaining it... I tried to explain it in my own way..but you explained the situation better than I.

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[fatal]

^doesnt matter what you think it was all true. knowledge of japanese politics has nothing to do with what was written and it remains a fact that this seller is doing highly dangerous things with his products. lets play pretend. lets say that james the panda bear went to this kiosk and purchased a "mystery RC" in some shiny labelled package touting psychedelic effects blahblahblah. we'll say for the sake of my example that the drug in the fairy potion he has is 2C-P in 10mg amounts. now james the panda is quite the trip head and this vendor talks up this mystery chemical with fantastical stories of the effects of this new wonderdrug. he decides that the proper amount to purchase would be three doses. he makes his purchase and wanders off to home. james being also not the shiniest penny in the wishing well decides "fuck this ive taken this and that and im hardcore so i will snort all three because it cant be that strong." long story short about two hours later the world's panda population slips another notch closer to extinction. makes sense? (my story does work under the very fair assumption that a 30 mg dose of 2C-P could easily be fatal) in this case it would seem to me that the seller was being a dangerous asshole and that james paid the price of his life for it. james was stupid but was not informed of the dos and donts because he didnt even know what the fuck he was taking.

[Alfa]

True, but let me be advocate of the devil here: the same goes for the sales of research chemicals in general. The way RC's are sold does lead to overdose and fatalities. But I do not hear you complain about that, probably because from SWIY's situation it is a benefit to be ably to order RC's even if they are not properly dosed, come without a flyer informing SWIY of do's and dont's, come from a supplier which does his/her best to be invisible to authorities and is legally not able to discus any psychoactive quality of the substance. This is a benefit, because there hardly are other options. SWIY can work around the handycap. If the laws would change in SWIY's country and this would be the only option, would SWIY stop buying this? Don't answer this to quick. Try to put SWIY in this situation. It's a different perspective.

[fatal]

swim would be more than happy to buy DMT at a kiosk. if RCs were sold unlabeled and there was a mystery as to what it was swim would simply explain to the retailer that if accurate information on the substances identity could not be provided that he would take his business elsewhere. and it is understandable what you are saying about practices like for example selling grams of highly potent RCs in a vial or baggie leading to ODs. stupidity unfortunately can not be erradicated. here the problem results from the fact that there is such a large amount of the drugs involved. if these same vials contained mescaline a gram amount would be far from dangerous even in the wrong hands. at the very least no where near as dangerous as a 14 year old kid with a gram of DOC (the stuff of nightmares). however if one is just retailing a "psychedelic" in an unknown quantity with no name for the substance other than some trendy rave name that the proprietors of this company came up with then you are making your way into a very bad and dangerous area of this world... this isnot something that swim would ever feel comfortable doing no matter how good the money was. safety of your users as a drug kiosk owner(read drug dealer) should be paramount to all other concerns. if you are dealing large amounts of RCs to random folks around the world in an anonymous fashion then maybe you have a bit less responsibility as far as that since your customer should definitely know what he is ordering before he goes and tries to get some of it. when you walk up to a small business you expect that they will actually have their shit together and would probably not so recklessly endanger your life.

[fatal]

obviously however we could just ask tokyo expat where the stand is making it less of a hunt and more like that game where you smash that gopher when it sticks its head out.

[Tokyo-expat]

obviously however we could just ask tokyo expat where the stand is making it less of a hunt and more like that game where you smash that gopher when it sticks its head out.

#1. If I said where it was wouldnt that be talking about sources a major rule I never plan on breaking.
#2.If you are not going to contribute anything useful to this thread could you refrain from trolling on it.
#3.And for the record his stand is backed by the Yakuza.(as most street vendors are) and I believe he is one as well. You would make it about 10 steps after hurting him.. and then you would disappear. And noone would ever ever see you again.

[fatal]

this thread is a trainwreck and we should all be embarassed for contributing to it. tokyo... find out what your mystery substance is and tell us... this is a drug ID thread at heart and thats not even really allowed so its a wonder how this has made it to two pages without being...

[fatal]

by the way tokyo you should probably read the RC forum rules before starting another thread... for example

Originally Posted by nanobrain

4. don’t know what drug you self-administered (swallowed, plugged, injected, inhaled)? no one else does either. so don’t ask.
and
8. angry, psychotic, flame-minded, pissed, do not comprehend the above, under 18 years of age, feeling the need to vent and otherwise frustrated? GO HERE.

[hh339]

I though Yakuza was a motorcyckle, lol. Tokyo-expat, it will not be possible to figure this one out with next to no information at all, even if it would be of interest to SWIM too. Is there any inidication of whether it is a phenethylamine, tryptamine or other? SWIY said he believed it to be 2C-P, but on the other hand it looked like he compared it to several tryptamines as well. It would be a good start to try and narrow it down, otherwise it will be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Wow, thats a lame expression, who the hell goes through a whole haystack for that?

[Alfa]

OK, nano was right killing this thread in the first place. This is going nowhere. Mea culpa. I'll trow away the key now.

[Alfa]

20 mg of 2C-C was the answer to the question.

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nice work on that. you should post to the thread how you found that out? i told you it wasnt a mystery ;)