Legal Powder In Japan.. dont know...help please.

[Tokyo-expat]

Ok.. so SWIM bought a legal halucinigenic in Japan.. It is legal here and came in a foil package.. it was a white powder that SWIM licked.. the dose was about the size of a small line of coke.. the trip was WAY more intense than LSD or Mushrooms.. very visual.. with body tremors.. kalidiscope visions.. SWIM has done some serious LSD in SWIMs life and nothing has ever compared to this. But SWIM doesnt know the chemical compound... anyone with any ideas.. SWIM was thinking it was 2c-p..but not sure.. The trip lasted from 10pm to about 7 or 8am... watched Alice in Wonderland..(the old version..) and it was AMAZING.!!
I dont know what other info folks might want to give a definitive judgement on this compound.. however if this is truely something new.. well that would be AMAZING!!

[Abrad]

It could be any number of things. It is not possible to tell you from that description. Did you not ask what it was before you bought it?

[Alfa]

Why does SWITE think it's 2C-P? How bad where the body tremors? Any other side effects?

[Tokyo-expat]

It had a brand name called gentrek 2 or something like that.. SWIM can get more and be sure of the brand name.. I threw away the package.. it was from a company called xxxxxxxxxxxx.. but swim cant find any info on it online..

The body tremors werent bad at all.. quite enjoyable.. like waves flowing over SWIMS body.. one big side effect.. the source told SWIM not to eat before taking it.. and SWIM did eat.. and for the first 35 minutes there was a definite serious stomache ache.. really uncomfortable.. then.. suddenly gone.. the compound took about 1 hour and 20 minutes to kick in.. and by the second hour was full strenth hard tripping.
To describe .. breathing walls.. watched a little late night TV and the TV was breathing.. like said before.. Kalidescopes.. for some reason saw a vision of Mr. Clean on SWIMs bedroom ceiling.. incredible body buzz... with serious visuals..
The reason suspected 2C-p was because from online research it was the only halucinegenic described as a powder.. and the dosage seemed the same.. but SWIM honestly doesnt know..and would like to know.. SWIM plans on taking this quite often and SWIM likes to know what goes in SWIMS body.. SWIM thought that this was gonna be bullshit.. as many legal things are.. but was blown away surprized..

[Abrad]

Practically all RCs are available as a powder. I would really recommend going back to SWIY source and asking what it is. If he cannot or will not tell you could narrow it down by using an XTC testing kit. This thread gives information on how the most common RCs react with the commonly available reagents.

[illuminati boy]

While many of the persons who post here are fairly knowledgeable about these things, no one (so far as I know) is a drug psychic.

Many compounds are freely circulating in Japan at this time. Some of them are combination products such as ½ 2C-I and ½ 2C-B or 5-MeO-DiPT + something else, where the ingredients are not listed. Some of the vendors still carry products that are controlled, while others carry really ‘bleeding edge’ compounds (Bromo-Dragonfly for instance).

This is a photo from a Japanese stand that sells assorted compounds.
There is at least methylone, DPT, 2C-C, 2C-E, 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7, 5-MeO-DMT, and 5-MeO-DPT in there. While some of these have since been made illegal, I have heard that they have since been replaced with the likes of DOB and Bromo-Dragonfly etc.

So long story short, it could have been one of a number of compounds or some combination of 2 or more active compounds.

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[Beeker]

Originally Posted by illuminati boy

no one (so far as I know) is a drug psychic.

As the quote hung above my current thoughts I passed by my office window. You can see a whole lotta wrong doing from the 13th floor window of a building.

" just the way it is." I mumbled as my final cigarette spun toward the pavement

Apparently the file on this "Illuminati" guy for some reason reminded me of my 2nd wife's parting words "I love Japanese, Slim ... I'm sorry."

"Not to bright from a guy nicknamed Illuminati", I thought to myself.

That is until I Googled big boobs, then 'Gentrek 2, japan' Nothing, 'Gentrek, tokyo', nada, "Gentrek, party, tenticle, panty, compounds" Interesting results thanks to the boob content and perv factor but no strange powerful mind altering Chemicals returned.

Boxers, pants, shirt, jacket, belt, socks, shoes, keys, cheap sunglasses a standard issue American civilian 9mm border special ... Then the joint, Dex-amphetamine, a Diet Cola and an agenda. I could hear my theme music somewhere off in the back of my mind.

Well it's the funk elastic
The blunt I twist it
The slammer five
Buddha fine
Funk on your desk, es'
Oh what you missed this
You got to bear witness
Catch a ho', and another ho'
Merry Christmas
Yes I smoke shit
Straight off the roach clip

*whistles*

In Slim's reality there are only two things worth living for, flying cars and robots
to baby humanity by doing all the work. Woman optional. robot woman maid, newest
model preferable as it is the only unused item.

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[gitst0opid]

Originally Posted by Raedon

As the quote hung above my current thoughts I passed by my office window. You can see a whole lotta wrong doing from the 13th floor window of a building.

" just the way it is." I mumbled as my final cigarette spun toward the pavement

Apparently the file on this "Illuminati" guy for some reason reminded me of my 2nd wife's parting words "I love Japanese, Slim ... I'm sorry."

"Not to bright from a guy nicknamed Illuminati", I thought to myself.

That is until I Googled big boobs, then 'Gentrek 2, japan' Nothing, 'Gentrek, tokyo', nada, "Gentrek, party, tenticle, panty, compounds" Interesting results thanks to the boob content and perv factor but no strange powerful mind altering Chemicals returned.

Boxers, pants, shirt, jacket, belt, socks, shoes, keys, cheap sunglasses a standard issue American civilian 9mm border special ... Then the joint, Dex-amphetamine, a Diet Cola and an agenda. I could hear my theme music somewhere off in the back of my mind.

Well it's the funk elastic
The blunt I twist it
The slammer five
Buddha fine
Funk on your desk, es'
Oh what you missed this
You got to bear witness
Catch a ho', and another ho'
Merry Christmas
Yes I smoke shit
Straight off the roach clip

*whistles*

In Slim's reality there are only two things worth living for, flying cars and robots
to baby humanity by doing all the work. Woman optional. robot woman maid, newest
model preferable as it is the only unused item.

What drug was swiy on when he posted this?

[Tokyo-expat]

Ok folks here is an update.. SWIM purchased more of this mysterious wonderful experience.. and I was about to upload some pictures.. but I just looked and it says I cannot attach files.. hmmm... kinda puts a damper on the work I just did.. I took a bunch of photos with my digital camera.. of the product.. and it is called..


I would upload the photos if allowed.. dont know what else to say now.. but SWIM si gonna trip his face off in about 20 minutes.. so tata

no sources of any kind, thanks, nano

[Forthesevenlakes]

EDIT: deleted swim's post to avoid any source mention.

[Benga]

[QUOTE=forthesevenlakes]SWIM has been able to pull up a few pages in japanese searching for "trangiks" and "trangics", but cant figure out what is in them. other compounds listed with them are listed by drug name (methylone, 2c-x, etc), so SWIM suspects trangiks are a combination of RCs...does combining random unlabelled RCs and selling them seem dangerous to anyone else? seems a bit odd to swim..




hum....this page is about a trance (musical style) event ( toransu ebento) called Torangikusu, ie trangiks but there could be no relation (unless the event is sponsored by...) The page is basically an ad / presentation of the event and musical selection, it's not about drugs.

I'll try searching for the pills in japanese later, if anyone would have the pill name in katakana it would help.

may I ask where SWIyou found these pills ? SWIM didn't see any vendors in Tokyo ( hunted them in Shibuya or Shinjuku mostly) last february, neither in head or sex shops...

thanks

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no crosslinking, thanks, nano

[Tokyo-expat]

The pill name in katakana is トランギクス　２
I have picture of the package.. and powder.. but I cant post them a I am a newbie.. not a silver member.. so if someone gives me a good rating(whatever that means) I can post them.

[Abrad]

Post the photos in imageshack or similar and link to them.

[Tokyo-expat]

oops... didnt know I had to share with the world to make it work..
here is the correct link.. Mods you can delete my previous post. The link doesnt work.
http://www.hell.com

[Benga]

Yes I viewed them. I'm looking in to it
- update- xxxxxx has a website, found the link on a "xxxxxz" info page. I don't think I can post the link here as it's a source in a way.
I'll look into the page, which is in japanese.

apparently they're mostly involved in mushrooms. For those interested in a little japanese googling the best track to follow
is xxxxx ( better be thorough- benga ) in katakana : ケイオス・インターナショナル

ok this very odd... I'm under the impression that what SWIY got was a powder packaged by - s wasn't the product name but a flyer for a rave.... doesn't really make sense but can't find a link between the two elements so far.


hum...the sell a powder called KIA which is supposed to have been used by shamans in africa... active from 0,25 gm, but dangerous over 3g.
perganum harmala
blue lotus
salvia divinorum
san pedro

they don't seem to manufacture or distribute any research chemicals though. maybe your powder is this mysterious KIA
?
but they seem to organise rave / techno events as well as sell psychoactive plants.




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[Tokyo-expat]

No they defintely sell research chemicals.. and that wasnt a flyer.. it was the package for the RC... swims street source for xxxxx is very secretive about this RC.. Tokyo Metro Govt. recently banned 2C-i and SWIH told me that this RC is a secret because they dont want this one to get banned as well (couldnt they just to chromatography on it?)
KIA is a tea they sell.. swims source says you brew it for 3 hours and it is just like LSD.. but swim has only tried the salvia and transgenik.. swims source also sells DMT.
Swim is thinking maybe this is 2C-e because it is still legal in Tokyo..
still very mysterious... thanks for the help.

[nanobrain]

y'all startin to piss me off now, hear?

NO SOURCES

[Tokyo-expat]

Rant deleted.. it was inappropriate and disrespectful.

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[Benga]

it is complicated and delicate area but I think I understand where the moderator's reaction comes from.

it's true that a manufacturer's name / or a product could be considered as a source... it's a very grey area as "commercial" (ie packaged, with a name and production brand, sold off the black-market) products are discussed here - see the threads on Nxt phase or other many products such as piperazine pills which are openly named in many threads here, along with the name of the manufacturer even though active ingredients such as BZP or ephedra / ma huang / sida cordif. extract are effectively illegal in some places.
there is more tolerance on these potentially illegal products are they are not really RC's, which form a somewhat more delicate area.
Another source "tolerance" zone are the outlet names of coffeshops, which effectively sell cannabis products in the netherlands, but not online, but still are a source, a local one if you wish, of cannabis products which are illegal in most areas.

what I mean by this is that by naming the product and then manufacturer, we might have given out a source indirectly, as one would only have to look up the product or manufacturer's name to find it- it's delicate because of the nature of the product- I respect this cautionary measure though it is not always strictly applied or clear. No source was given per se, but a manufacturer's name was given and this manfacturer turns out to be a distributor, ie a source- in which the actual product was not listed... winding road, but when the manufacturer turns out to be a distributor, or if a distributor turns out to use the same name as a product / or manufacturer, naming or discussing the product or manufacturer by name is indeed akin to naming a source...
I think another problem comes from the fact that this locally legal ( ? ) product might be an RC and because of the special sensitive status of RC's this might irritate people.
I was just trying to help find out what this thing was, as this is always useful and advised for harm reduction issues and more.

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[nanobrain]

thread closed as it serves no viable purpose but to let the Tokyo expat vent his frustration - with all due respect, your due respect sadly went down the toilet after the first paragraph of your last response.

if Tokyo-expat missed the 'no what drug i took threads' rule, may i suggest a remedial read of the RC forum rules, a sticky ontop of the given subforum.

the reason such rules are there is no one knows what it is that you took save the manufacturer/vendor, and those internetters who say different are apt to be led astray as oft as the given vendor's fancy may shift to a different product mix/packaging concept.

and BTW, the whole 'i bought an unknown legal hallucinogen, licked it unweighed and it made me trip balls' concept is against the spirit of discussion we try to engender here.

my dumb-ass question, why did you not specifically ask the vendor what it was you bought???

EDIT: thread temporarily reopened to see if a glimmer of an actual thought might emerge.

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[trip.more]

doesn't sound like 2C-P to swim

[fatal]

time for a recap. this thread is now over two weeks old. we have gotten nowhere useful as far as being able to figure out what this may be. rules have been broken. people have incriminated themselves. sources are being mentioned. about 99% of what is mentioned is speculation with no basis in reality or fact. maybe time for last call...?

[Tokyo-expat]

my dumb-ass question, why did you not specifically ask the vendor what it was you bought???

from post #16.

swims street source for xxxxx is very secretive about this RC.. Tokyo Metro Govt. recently banned 2C-i and SWIH told me that this RC is a secret because they dont want this one to get banned as well (couldnt they just to chromatography on it?)

This as swim stated was not an online vendor.. but a street kiosk.. with a lot of different things such as salvia, DMT, salvia extract, and a shammanistic tea which is supposedly like LSD(swim doesnt know).
Swim posted swims experience with the hope that someone who has had a similiar experience could possibly shed some light on this because swim would really like to know what this is. And if it is something really NEW.. than it would be an even bigger deal.
Now swim does realize the necessary precautions this site must take.. and understanably so.. but as swim stated before I read the rules.. and swim never once named an online source.. just a brand name of a legal product. If that broke a rule I didnt know about then maybe swim should go and re-read them.
And SWIM is sorry about the rant Nano... but swim has put a lot of work trying to find out more about this awesome substance.. and felt swim was doing swims best to stay within the restrictions of being a Newbie member(which is quite difficult).
Swim does hope this thread stays open.. and we can figure out what this substance may be (or I can convince the vendor to tell me its composition.. which at this point is looking more promising).. at which time swim will share..

[fatal]

forgive my soon to be foul language. your vendor is a piece of shit. he told you this is some sort of secret RC that he doesnt want anyone to know about blah blah blah. bullshit. bullshit i say. this guy doesnt have anything that isnt already freely traded on the international market. if he did he would give up his kiosk and start making some real money. he is a liar and a thief and a scammer. clearly he has also told you that ayahuascha (yes that is what your LSD tea is) is like LSD. it is actually far from it. if you were to go into drinking some thinking that you would get a very nasty surprise when your soul melted like candle wax and turned into liquid color which is then smoked by an eagle spirit and exhaled into a new dimension filled with elves and spirits and gods and the like. and also his explanation about not wanting the government to find out about this rc is also a crock. if he has it they know about it. if there is a negative incident which would prompt them to ban it then it seems obvious to me that it would be a simple task for them to take the material and test it. or just send an undercover up to the kiosk buy some and gcms it. they are actually smarter than you think. by the way since this thread is already ripe with this type of assheaded speculation let me throw my hat into the ring and say that it is probably made of 10% fairy dust 15% speculation and 75% BS.

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[fatal]

the moral of the story is it is highly unethical to lie to someone about what you are selling them. refusing to tell someone what it is and explaining that "this a secret hallucinogen i cant tell you or the government will know and they cant find out" is what swim would consider as an outright lie. just thoughts... everyone has them... try it out some time.

btw you should be grateful nano actually gave this thread a second chance at a life. under fatal's regime such tomfoolery would have been crushed underfoot like free thinkers in a socialist state. GO AND ASK THE VENDOR there is nothing more useful that can come from this thread. unless we have an employee of the manufacturer as a member? didnt think so.