Intranasal 1grm black tar heroin user obtained tramadol

[scottsi]

I use around a gram of black tar a day, melted in water and put up my nose, or mixed with flouer and snorted, i obtained tramadol here in mexico on a vacation, i have 125 50mg pills, so far i have taken 6 50mg pills, 300mgs and i feel next to nothing and it has been in my system for around an hour, i have also taken two 350mg somacid's, soma's for the normal people, or 700 mg of soma, i am still feeling near nothing. I think this may be due to my tolerance being so insanely high, when i have oxys i need atleast an a80 up the nose and i have done up to 3grams of heroin a day intranasally. I'm wondering how much tramadol i can take to achieve a good enough feeling so i can kick this fucking withdraw. I have 30 norco's aswell but they are lost somewhere in the airport with my bags so i have to suffice with the tramadols and soma's for now. I think i will try to take around 150-200mg's more of tramadol and see where it puts me, i know it wont take me to the plateau of a heroin high but anything to kick the chills and the hot sweats will greatly be appreciated. If this will kill me let me know before i OD, LOL. thanks

PS. used to be daveman before the forums crashed or changed servers or whatever happened.

[Forthesevenlakes]

swim would reccomend not going above 300 mg or so of tramadol, the feeling can get pretty uncomfortable. 300 should be around enough to kick the withdrawal feeling too, swis probably wont feel much of an opiate buzz since he seems to have a high tolerance, but itd probably sufficient to get rid of the chills..

[Jatelka]

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[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by forthesevenlakes

swim would reccomend not going above 300 mg or so of tramadol, the feeling can get pretty uncomfortable. 300 should be around enough to kick the withdrawal feeling too, swis probably wont feel much of an opiate buzz since he seems to have a high tolerance, but itd probably sufficient to get rid of the chills..

This is good advice, if SWIY is looking for a high tramadol isnt going to be effective due to SWIY's massive tolerance.

SWIY might be able to get some relief from withdrawal symptoms with tramadol but if SWIY is trying to get off the substance and get away from withdrawal he is better seeking professional help.

Also its worth noting that tramadol will prolong the withdrawal not prevent it.

[Nagognog2]

"Also its worth noting that tramadol will prolong the withdrawal not prevent it."

Fantasian - can you find some documentation on this? Tramadol is widely touted as a cure for withdrawl. Having what you said documented would be excellent! Thanks.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

"Also its worth noting that tramadol will prolong the withdrawal not prevent it."

Fantasian - can you find some documentation on this? Tramadol is widely touted as a cure for withdrawl. Having what you said documented would be excellent! Thanks.

This is more from SWIF's Personal experience, an opiate withdrawl should be handled with Buprenorphine or simply drugs to cope with the symptoms of withdrawal like Anti-emetics and the such.

SWIF tried using tramadol to get off a withdrawal and merely prolonged the withdrawal, even though he tapered dosages etc. In SWIF's experience the best way to escape opiate addiction is simply facing cold turkey for the week that it lasts. This might not be true to severely addicted individuals but was for SWIF.

On a side note Benzo's only worsened SWIF's addiction but dont want to go off topic now.

[Micklemouse]

Found on Entrez Pubmed & Haworth Press...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

http://www.haworthpress.com/store/To...20Issue%3A%204

Journal of Addictive Diseases
Volume: 22 Issue: 4
Cover Date: 2003

Ranjit Tamaskar MD, Theodore V. Parran MD, Abdul Heggi MD, Andrei Brateanu MD, Mary Rabb MD, Jaehak Yu MD


Tramadol versus buprenorphine for the treatment of opiate withdrawal: a retrospective cohort control study.


Department of Medicine, Huron Hospital, 13591 Terrace Road, E Cleveland, OH 44112, USA.

Various drugs have been used for the treatment of opioid withdrawal, e.g., methadone, buprenorphine, and clonidine. Tramadol is a centrally acting synthetic analgesic agent with opiate activity due to low affinity binding of the parent compound and higher affinity binding of the O-demethylated metabolite M1 to mu opioid receptors. As a consequence, there may be a role for the use of tramadol in the treatment of opiate withdrawal. We attempt to assess the efficacy of tramadol in treating moderate heroin withdrawal through a retrospective cohort control study, conducted in a detoxification unit in a community teaching hospital. Out of 100 heroin abusers admitted for detoxification during the review period, 64 patients who were treated either with buprenorphine or tramadol, were included in this study, with 20 participants in the buprenorphine group and 44 in the tramadol group. Both groups were matched for age, sex, and self-reported average quantity of heroin used per day. In the tramadol group, the average CINA maximum was 9.0, and in the buprenorphine group it was 11.2 (P = 0.07). The use of oral clonidine per patient in the tramadol group was 1.6 tablets, and in the buprenorphine group 0.1 tablets (P = 0.002). The length of stay was 3.7 days in the tramadol group and 4.1 days in the buprenorphine group (P = 0.5). Four participants in the tramadol group received three or more doses of buprenorphine because their symptoms were not controlled, and were considered as treatment failures. These preliminary data suggest that tramadol may be comparable to buprenorphine in the management of mild to moderately severe heroin withdrawal. These findings, if reproduced in larger studies with stronger research designs, have potentially great implications for the management of opioid withdrawal in both the inpatient and outpatient setting.

So it looks like some (in the region of 1 in 10) will be treatment resistant to Tramadol when used for a withdrawal regime.

[scottsi]

sorry about not using swim, i used to use it but it takes a bit longer to comprehend. With swim's massive tlerance, he took around 450mg of tramadol, 2 soma, 4 norco's and a ball of yayo. swim definately forgot all about the withdraw and floated in the euphoria of gods drug.

swim has kicked oxycontin and heroin before, the first few days are the worst, more than anything swim believe its more mental than anything, tramadols honestly dont do much on its own, or say 10mg of oxycontin, but getting chills and cold sweats then coming upon some small ammount of opiate that with swimsMASSIVE tolerance obviously would do nothing, taking the small ammount actually stopps or heels the withdraw for a day or so. Obiously it really isnt enough to do anything but the mind knows you took a pill and can be tricked into beliving.

aswell as running out of an opiate the body feels excessive unexplainable pain. and then one obtains another decent ammount of it while preparing it for use the pain goes away.

my 2 cents