Will Salvia divinorum change you?

[Brizzles]

I've been reading about salvia along with many other psychoatives for quite some time now. The topic is very interesting to me and I've since decided to try some. My question is, will trying salvia change you as a person? I don't want to use it and come back from the other side as a different person. This is pretty much the only thing stopping me from trying salvia or anything else for that matter.

[Montgolfier]

You seem to have the right attitude towards this - IE being cautious rather than rushing headlong into substances. If you keep level headed, don't indulge too frequently, read all the info you can and have a 'sitter' where ever possible, you should have no problems.

...will it change you? - hmm, it may do depending on what you can take from the experiences. SWIM's friend found that Salvia made him realise the acute importance of everything, no matter how small or seemingly unimportant. He felt that everything we think, say and do somehow plays a major role in the grand scheme of things, and is profoundly interwoven within creation. This realisation was a change for the better really as SWIMS friend
refers to it on a daily basis to put 100% into everything he does.

A warning though, Salvia is a very strange plant, the experience is unquestionably difficult to translate into everyday words, most people just describe it as 'wierd' or 'frightening' - It's definitely not a party drug, so make sure you're sitting comfortably!

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	best advise for sally safety, well said

[raven3davis]

Originally Posted by MrCheese

...will it change you? - hmm, it may do depending on what you can take from the experiences. SWIM's friend found that Salvia made him realise the acute importance of everything, no matter how small or seemingly unimportant. He felt that everything we think, say and do somehow plays a major role in the grand scheme of things, and is profoundly interwoven within creation. This realisation was a change for the better really as SWIMS friend
refers to it on a daily basis to put 100% into everything he does.

SWIM has experienced similar changes in his life due to the use of hallucinegenic drugs, but salvia was not much of a "teacher." Salvia was just too wierd to be able to learn a lot from. It is very hard to absorb the experience so SWIM much prefers DMT, DPT or other powerful tryptamines. Salvia has shown SWIM one thing though, and that is the importance of the setting of a trip.

To make a long story short, SWIM was sitting in a faulty chair on his backyard porch. He took a good hit of 5x and the next thing he knew, he was on the ground flailing his arms. His knee was busted and bleeding a little bit. The chair had broken and SWIM was inches from bashing his head on a table. So did salvia change SWIM? Maybe a little bit. Salvia taught him that you need to be in a very safe place on salvia with nothing around that could be deteimental to someones health. Maybe even consider getting into a bed

As far as the insights swim has gotten from salvia, there are few. Salvia just showed swim how fucked up of places the human brain is able to take us. Salvia is always a wierd/scary/dark place for SWIM. It is really hard to control the trip when you do not even know you are tripping. SWIM would definitely say that salvia has some hallucinogenic and deleriant properties. It has also been described as somewhat of a dissociative, which SWIM can understand also. He felt no pain in his knee during the trip. It just felt like he was being ripped to pieces and shifted around into different objects (this is his normal reaction).

Also in regard to salvia, is it necessary to use SWIM in the case that salvia is completely legal in some places. Even if not, it is always good to not dicsuss personal matters on her, as we all know these are second hand reports and should not be labeled our own

[jardo]

I think there are many many different factors that come into play in regards to psycadelics and their influence on users... Things like mental stability, personality, and the users surroundings at the time of the trip..

In SWIM's personal experience, insights/lessons gained from Salvia don't happen all the time nor do they happen quickly. For SWIM, it takes a while for a Salvia experience to digest. Usually within a few days SWIM might be able to gain something from it, if anything, but SWIM has never felt like SWIM has gone through a drastic change, at least from short term use.

However SWIM feels that Salvia has more-less confirmed some of the feelings and insights SWIM has gained with LSD use, along with a greater appreciation for all forms of life (mostly for plants :P, not just animals!), and this reality all together.. All very positive feelings.

I think it all depends on what SWIY are looking for. If used properly it can be a very spiritually enlightening tool. Some people might experience an epiphany, while others might just laugh for 10 mins and be done with it. I think it is up to the user and what the users intentions are, but I have never heard of anyone changing for the worse because of it. A bad experience from Salvia usually just changes people's desire to do it again.

My advice to anyone thinking of trying Salvia for the first time would be to treat it with respect, as well as yourself. Be comfortable with yourself, and make sure SWIY is in a comfortable surrounding when you do it, as already meantioned by raven3davis. By following that, I think SWIY will be safe on the other side.

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[Brizzles]

Thank you all very much for this advice. The one thing that worries SWIM about taking certain drugs is whether or not it will change SWIM. SWIM has heard horror storries about people dropping acid and never being able to act normal again. SWIM is also very interested in trying DMT but has been warned numerous times about how devastating its effects could be for a first time user. Salvia is legal where SWIM is from so he decided that it would be a good choice for his first halluinogen, but SWIM does not want to sacrifice his abiltiy to socially interact in a proper manner.

[jardo]

Originally Posted by Sapatos89

SWIM has heard horror storries about people dropping acid and never being able to act normal again. SWIM is also very interested in trying DMT but has been warned numerous times about how devastating its effects could be for a first time user. Salvia is legal where SWIM is from so he decided that it would be a good choice for his first halluinogen, but SWIM does not want to sacrifice his abiltiy to socially interact in a proper manner.

With regards to the stories about acid, I've heard stories as well.. but to me that's all they are.. stories.

Personally, I have yet to meet someone that has gone from 'normal' to vegetable in a single acid trip. I can see if someone were dropping acid every other day, yea they are probably running the risk of causing some sort of psychological modification, but everything in moderation right?

SWIM's first DMT experience was.. well.. absolutely amazing. Nothing short of complete bliss.. So again.. I think it really depends on SWIY's intention and frame of mind....

Don't let someone that hasn't experienced something try and tell you what it's like or what will happen, because they really don't know. And certaintly do not let those stories bother SWIY if SWIY does decide to find out for him/herself.

While SWIM wouldn't particularily recommend Salvia as an introduction to psychadelics, the only person who can decide for SWIY... is SWIY. Just be smart.. Your first time doing anything should be a light dose.

I think most of us have already gone through this lesson... when we drank a case of beer or chugged a mickey of Jack Daniels at our first elementary school dance... (Not fun!)

[Cyano]

Every drug will change you. One´s personality is, besides genetic factors, the sum of the things he experienced during his lifetime. If one moves to another country he will change due to the different culture that gives him different experiences. What one experienced in his life is stored in the neural network of his brain as memories. Memories serve as a tool to base future choices on, to decide what is wise and what is stupid.
Drug induced visions are things one experienced and are stored in his brain as memories. If one uses salvia (shrooms, cacti etc.) frequently and accepts his spirit as a teacher, he will serve this spirit and will base his choices on the teachings of this spirit. Like Christians base their choices on the spirit/teachings of the bible, serve the spirit of the bible they call God. What you believe is what you are. If one starts to believe something else than he did before, he will become something different.

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very true

[Choctaw]

Salvia was a nice experience in swim's mind,, granted he only did it twice. No significant changes, but a small shift in his personality. Swim would also like to note that Salvia is not for the weak minded, swim would compare it to a 2nd or third plateau DXM trip.. but then again he only did it twice....

[geezaman]

Mr cheese sums up the important things regarding salvia well in SWIMs opinion. Salvia was SWIMs 3rd experience of drugs the first being alcohol the second weed. SWIM finds himself in a different situation today than where he would have been had he not taken salvia, not because of a profound life changing revelation found within a salvia trip, but because salvia opened the door of possibilities, questions existing in SWIMs mind pre salvia were answered. For example SWIM is now aware that some things cannot be explained in words and there are emotions have greater depth than SWIM previously felt possible. Salvia showed SWIM that very basic limits and laws we perceive to exist in an unquestionable fashion, don't necessarily

[psyche]

SWIM is yet to try Salvia, most likely at the end of summer when he's going to visit 'dam and try there a number of drugs he has never got his hands on. There's a reason salvia not being scheduled and illegal in most countrys. That is, it isn't some normal recreational drug. There's never been any explosion in it's use, or at least I think so, like with acid in the 60's, when it got banned because of it's popularity and associations on counterculture and hippies. Salvia doesn't seem to be pleasent at all for everyone who tries it. Then again, I've never tried it so don't let my professional tone fool you.

[geezaman]

SWIM has found that Salvia is becoming a regulated substance in more and more places and is now illegal in some states of the USA as well as other countries listed below (Louisiana, Missouri, Illinois, Delaware, Alaska, and Tennessee.) and these other countries Sweden, Denmark, Italy, South Korea, Belgium and Australia. SWIM notes that salvia has only been made illegal in most of these countries in the past 6 years. SWIM considers that although it is still legal in most countries it is probably only a matter of time until this changes.

[plantshaman]

Swim says that drugs , including salvia and other psychedelics have changed him in many ways . Swim says all the ways its changed him have been VERY VERY VERY positive overall. Swim does however have to state that psychedelics are not for everyone and it may not be positive for everyone.

Swim says you'll probably forget within a few weeks or months and any change won't be permanant unless you strive to make it stick.

Its hard to say what will happen but swim says go for it very slowly and with extreme caution.....

Swim also says salvia is probably not the best place to start with psychedelics. Try some low dosses of tryptamines of phenethylamines of some sort. Sally is too shocking and confusing if you have no idea the possibilites. Some other substances can let you slowly slip into those states which will give you a little time to adjust to your new state of existance(or lack there of ) )

[trip.more]

It's changed swim's out look on life but every psychedelic swim's done has

[Jimmeh]

Em.. Is SWIM the only person who had a 4 minute laughing fit with hallucinations and thought Salvia was a great laugh altogether?

Maybe my trip wasn't strong enough but seeing weird funny shit didn't exactly fill me with enlightenment or change my perception of life....

Oh, and Salvia's the only psychedelic SWIM's done....

[geezaman]

jimmeh SWIY is not theonly SWIM that ended up in a laughing fit, SWIM also did unfortunatly it compleatly freaked out the people SWIM was with as they were not drug users and had been warned to expect alot of quietly sitting cross legged doing nothing and instead got a SWIM lying on the floor in hysterics and laughing really loud for 10 mins

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[trip.more]

if swiy had a laughing fit they didn't break through.Every monkey I've seen break through is left on the floor drooling.

[Jimmeh]

Originally Posted by trip.more

if swiy had a laughing fit they didn't break through.Every monkey I've seen break through is left on the floor drooling.

Really??

Now that's interesting... I thought a laughing fit was a usual thing to expect with salvia.... Am I not "breaking through"?

[psycho joe]

will salvia change you? well, it never got weird enough for me'

[geezaman]

A laughing fit in SWIMs experience occurs when the person or monkey using salvia is not in the right social situation, On some doses of salvia SWIM has found he at some point seemed to have a choice to trip or pull him self out and he on different occasions has successfully chosen one or the other (or so he believes). From SWIMs experience once in a laughing fit, SWIY does get some effects from salvia because the laughing itself is not caused by something funny at the time seems pointless yet cannot be stopped. SWIM has never known anyone to go from the laughing fit into a full blown hallucinatory trip without smoking more.

[Silence_Inc]

Originally Posted by Sapatos89

My question is, will trying salvia change you as a person? I don't want to use it and come back from the other side as a different person.

so you know why you don't wanna use it - do you know why you DO want to?

everything you do adds to your identity. so what is identity - it's your thoughts about who you think you are. so identity is just your thoughts - not something real. so your afraid to loose what you don't even have.

anyway - noone really knows who they are.

salvia helps to realise we don't know shit. so don't bother being afraid.

everything changes you - it's the need to stay and stand still that is frigthening you ... the need to hold on to what you know.

psychedelics is diving in the deep - the unkown - ... so you better let go ...

[Angel_Ashes]

SWIM thinks personally that salvia was a very good thing. SWIM wants to remind you that when its happening, you will be scared if you dont let go. It is hard to do but it is worth learning how to do.

Since SWIM did salvia, she looks at the world as completely different. Maybe it's because she's done 20x around 20 times?? After SWIMs 10th trip, she realized that what was happening had to be a message of some sort from some other dimension/reality/universe/not quite sure.

SWIM is SERIOUSLY intrigued with salvia to the point that she has this longing and feeling like.. she HAS to figure it out someday. She will keep doing it until she does. (which may very very very possibly be never)..
SWIM is willing to accept that but wants to still try.

[D.U.M.B]

Personally SWIM thinks he has changed a bit from his expierences with salvia. But that was just the same type of way your mind etc. changes when you try any type of substance. SWIM's more opened minded after it especially when it comes to natural drugs instead of chemicals etc

Lessons are to be learnt for all. SWIM just hopes everyone else learns a good lesson and has a good time

[Demonslayer]

Every drug SWIM has ever tried changed him as a person. Not instantly, but over time. I dare not think of what kind of selfcentered, materialistic person SWIM would have been today had he not fallen in love with Mary Jane. The real transformation came when SWIM tried Liberty caps and acid. He rediscovered God in a way no organized religion could have shown him. It showed him that there is no problem in combining the belief in Christ, Buddah, Shiva and modern theoretical physics. Salvia is special because it allows SWIM to experience certain philosophical thoughts as though they were real (maybe they are), for example the thought that reality may be an illusion or that there are "Gods" pulling our strings and playing with us like pawns.
You do need to keep your feet on the ground though, if you overdo it you may loose sense of what is the real reality. Your body and mind still exist in this reality and you need to take care of them so they function as designed. If you live in other worlds to much of the time you may neglect the importance of this one. SWIM believes that all alternative realities are equally real, so even this one must be important. Some people think that this reality is the only real one and that "You live, eat, shit and die." SWIM almost became one of them. SWIM is glad drugs changed him.