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Old 15-06-2006, 01:34
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Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

Hi its my first post and SWIM has 30 Kadian 20gm pills and was wondering what is the best way to take these for recreational use. SWIM has crushed up the little balls inside one pill but didnt really do anything. Is snorting ok? If so how much or should SWIM eat 40mg? Thanks for all the help and I have been lurking on this site for some time. Thanks again!

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Kadian is a sustained release morphine tablet usually taken for people suffering from chronic pain. (it is also known as MS Contin)

SWIY could crush the tablet up and insuffalate(snort) it and this would give him the full dose very quickly and not have any timed release effect. There are pleanty of dangers with snorting and this method of administration should be carefully considered before undertaking it.

Look at Mr Jim's post on opiate dosages in order to get an idea of dosage, you will need to refer to "Morphine." It is difficult to advise on dosages as if SWIY has previous experiences with opiates then he will have tolerance and require a differant dosage. As with anything the best way is to work SWIY's way up until he reaches a dose he is content with.

Mr Jim's Post - http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12351


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Yes Swim agres with Fantasian,if you know youre pain meds tolorence then swiy could possibly do a crushed M.S< coton as swim has had many dates with this pain med,,, doesnt really do it for him the oxy or duragesic patch about 75 mcg is now Swims tolorence.Swim is not braging on this subject but wants all the swiy"s to know that opiates are a very powerfull drug and shit happens that swim thought that couldnt happen to him.....Just swims opinion....

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very good point rocco...most habitual users of opiates (even when they are using them for pain as reccomended) did not think they would become addicted when they first started. but the nature of these drugs makes them easy to start using every day. by the time one realizes that they may be addicted, they are generally deeply enough in to have developed a physical addiction. physical addiction and withdrawal can happen after about a month of use, and gets worse the heavier and longer one uses. be careful!

also swiRocco, many people prefer either morphine or oxycontin/fentanyl. tastes seem to lean one way or another. swim prefers the slightly fore synthetic, head trip feeling of oxycontin or fentanyl (duragesic) over the more bodily high of morphine.

crushing the beads inside kadian or avinza or other time release morphine with beads in a capsule will, indeed, activate the time release, and with morphine, insufflation is generally a more effective route than swallowing. but please check dosages carefully (especially with mrjim's thread, has a wealth of information on safe doses for novice users) and be very aware of how often one is using in order to avoid developing a problem.
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SWIM has iv'ed 50 mg. kadian before. Just chrushed the beads to powder and mixed w/ cold H2O and slammed 'em home great buzz. Swim however does not advise doing this the euphoria from iv'ed opiates is one of THE WORST addictions to overcome

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SWIM has iv'ed 50 mg. kadian before. Just chrushed the beads to powder and mixed w/ cold H2O and slammed 'em home great buzz. Swim however does not advise doing this the euphoria from iv'ed opiates is one of THE WORST addictions to overcome
Injecting pills is also a very very dangerous practice, frequent or even moderate use of pill injections is likely to cause major health problems some of which are irreversable.
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swiFantasian is right. many of the binders and fillers in pills will not fully dissolve in water, and are not meant to be injected. abcesses and blood blisters are some of the risks swiy runs by injecting them, even if the pill has been filtered.
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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

Swim will take three Kadian 30, crush them up thourghly, drink two thirds of this murky white sollution, and kester the remaining one third, all at same time. this total amount of 90 mg morphine sulfate has a pleasant reaction, only takes about 20 min. to realize, and by the way, this does have 'legs', lasting at peak for about 8-10 hrs. (swia's milage may vary, depending on tolerances, body type, ect.) However, this is over the standard 'OD' amount for an swia with little opiod experience; so please! ..for opiod tolerant swia's ONLY!! Vary the dose downward in ratio with swia's tolerance level and experience. It can make for a 'pukingly great' experience for someone with say, half or less of swim's tolerance, or a trip to the H.R. for someone with little or no tolerance. Belive the 60 mg, or one grain of morphine sulfate is considered the OD limit for half of those with littel or no tolerance. These Kadian 'bead's are a polymer that is very tough, but will desolve slowly in stomach acids, releasing a controlled dose over a period of 12 hrs. Swim has come to see the drugs like morphine, fentanly, and other class A schedule II drugs to not work so hot via the stomach/ eating route. Good old vicadin, and methadone are the best to use orally, in swim's humble opinion, not morphine fentanly, et al. Eating morphine is a waste of time and drugs. This stuff was made for iv, if not that then try 'kestering the shit, but this may be only marginally better than drinking a high dose. Please be careful as time release narcotics contain a potential od for someone with little tolerance or experience with narcotics.
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Old 06-05-2007, 00:38
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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

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SWIM has iv'ed 50 mg. kadian before. Just chrushed the beads to powder and mixed w/ cold H2O and slammed 'em home great buzz. Swim however does not advise doing this the euphoria from iv'ed opiates is one of THE WORST addictions to overcome

Swim recently found a place to get morphine sulfate. The person said that they will be beads inside a capsule. I believe he called them Magnus brand.

would the aboe work for these also?

Take the beads out of the capsule. Crush very finely into powder, and add 3ml cold water, mix well with end of a matchstick, and then throw the filter in the spoon, draw up the morphine and bang it?

Will this compare to heroin at all? Swim has had good street heroin but wonders if he will get the same high with these morphine sulfate pills.
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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

swim just got 60mg kadians but has like no tolerance. swim is about 90 lbs. any advice for the starting dose and does anyone know ifSWIM breaks the casule oen how SWIM should take it and if it would still last as long? or couldHe just take them whole? the most SWIM HAS ever taken before tho were 10mg oxycodones. thanks!

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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

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SWIY could crush the tablet up and insuffalate(snort) it and this would give him the full dose very quickly and not have any timed release effect. There are pleanty of dangers with snorting and this method of administration should be carefully considered before undertaking it.

Look at Mr Jim's post on opiate dosages in order to get an idea of dosage, you will need to refer to "Morphine." It is difficult to advise on dosages as if SWIY has previous experiences with opiates then he will have tolerance and require a differant dosage. As with anything the best way is to work SWIY's way up until he reaches a dose he is content with.

Mr Jim's Post - http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12351


Feel free to ask any further questions...

Aside from that when insufflating, take it slow, start small SWIF if opiate naive wouldnt do more than 20mg every 10 mins just to get going. Make sure the outer layer has been crushed to avoid the sustained release mechanism too
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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

is that the only way swim could do them tho. SWIM doesnt have alot and it would suck to just get a short high. could SWIM just take the take some of the contents of the casules without crushing to get the 12hr or so high

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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

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is that the only way swim could do them tho. SWIM doesnt have alot and it would suck to just get a short high. could SWIM just take the take some of the contents of the casules without crushing to get the 12hr or so high
Well naturally Crushing the tablets or sucking off the outer coating then consuming (orally) would give the entire dose immediately and probably provide a more prolonged and less intense recreational high. As i previously posted use Mr Jim's Opiate doses as a guidance.
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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

AFOAF was considering putting the beads from the capsule in mouth and crushing beads with teeth, then swallowing. Friend is no fan of IV, insufflating, or kestering. Curious if anyone has any knowledge on this method that I can pass on to AFOAF.
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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

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swim just got 60mg kadians but has like no tolerance. swim is about 90 lbs. any advice for the starting dose and does anyone know ifSWIM breaks the casule oen how SWIM should take it and if it would still last as long? or couldHe just take them whole? the most SWIM HAS ever taken before tho were 10mg oxycodones. thanks!

Sweetheart, if your swimmer is new to kadian and only has experience w/ oxy10's then please, just tell them to sprinkle a few of the beads (uncrushed) on to some yogurt or pudding so that you can, in fact, enjoy the mellow effects of the 12 hour pain free/ floating time. I have had a script for this med for years and never needed to crush, burn, snort or stick up my butt to enjoy. This med works great for both people who need and don't need. All I'm saying is not to jump the gun and go straight for the addictive ways of using this med. Enjoy it in it's original form first.

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swim just got 60mg kadians but has like no tolerance. swim is about 90 lbs. any advice for the starting dose and does anyone know ifSWIM breaks the casule oen how SWIM should take it and if it would still last as long? or couldHe just take them whole? the most SWIM HAS ever taken before tho were 10mg oxycodones. thanks!

Sweetheart, if your swimmer is new to kadian and only has experience w/ oxy10's then please, just tell them to sprinkle a few of the beads (uncrushed) on to some yogurt or pudding so that they can, in fact, enjoy the mellow effects of the 12 hour pain free/ floating time. I have had a script for this med for years and never needed to crush, burn, snort or stick up my butt to enjoy. This med works great for both people who need and don't need. All I'm saying is not to jump the gun and go straight for the addictive ways of using this med. Enjoy it in it's original form first.

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SwiM should definietly try in it's orginial form first!!! No need to skip directly to the more dangerous and addictive version. SwiM may like the mellow 12 hour buzz. They'll never know unless they try??

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PS~ What is kestering???

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Re: Kadian (controlled release morphine) questions and info

Hi random, please make sure you take note of the date of posts you are replying to.
This was made in 2007 and the poster has not been on the site for years.
Also make sure to take a few minutes to read the rules, i have sent you a message re the use of SWIM which has been banned on this site for a few years not.
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