Drug info - Liquid LSD: Characteristics, Dosing and Other Ephemera

[CrookedEye]

When LSD is around, the form doesn't matter.. Blotter is common because it's the easiest to travel with.. Liquid, blotter, gels, microdots, etc, can all contain vary widely ranging doses of LSD..

Best to ask someone with some experience, that SWIY trusts, how good it is and what they recommend SWIY try.. Ask them if they can hang out with SWIY while they trip, even for some extra confidence.. If SWIY doesn't know anyone experienced enough, they should possibly wait, read a bunch more on what to expect and start low, with about one hit/drop/tab..

SWIM just took it as a teenager and expected to have a good time, like everyone said it was.. Well, it was the coolest thing he'd ever experienced.. He never turned back!!

[DonPeyote]

My Aunts Flamingo took the sugar cube.
In his opinion, its hard to say what it was.
Yes, there were some psychic changes, but zip nada zero psychedelic activity as in tracers, rainbow geometric visions, "hallucinations", tryptamine-like visuals, etc.

Back in the day, the Flamingo was VERY familiar with Orange Sunshine, Windowpanes, even some Sandoz way back when, so the bird knows his acid.

Even pieces of a crumbled tab of Orange sunshine were damn strong - which leads my Flamingod to think that sugarcube was something else.....

DP

[psycholic]

SWIM has decided to buy some liquid, the only problem is that he only has experience with blotter and gel tabs. What are some characteristics of the liquid.


SWIM figured get while the gettin' good.

[Nagognog2]

Generally it is a cleaner material. And should be kept in the the freezer (if alcohol based) or fridge. Other than that, SWIM should ask the source about it's potency and proper use - tiny droplet? Just touch the edge of the vial to something one wants it on (sugar cube, cookie, paper towel, etc.)? Some liquid is incredibly potent, so care must be taken not to make a mistake and blow someone clean out of their boots. Unless this is what is wanted.

[psycholic]

Nag, what do yo mean by alcohol based?

[Nagognog2]

As in dissolved in alcohol. Or in water. If in alcohol - freezer storage is possible. SWIM doesn't want to put water-based material in the freezer.

[bloodred1889]

hi all.
swim has a friend who said he can get bottles of acid he said its a large bottle about 500ml so swim said surly it has to be watered down stuff but swims friend said no its pure. swims friend said he would also give it to swim for really cheap or free.

well swim thought that seems abit too amazing to be true.
swims dream is to have a bottle of acid stored so swim can just take some whenever, and not have to worry about when swim can or cannot get some.
obvisly swim would only take it every now and gain becuase of tollerence and mind fucking.

so anyway that cant be right, can it.
so can someone pls tell swim how much a bottle of good acid would normally be, how big it would be ect. swims from the UK

in comparison swim was offered a bottle ages ago for
so whats the right price, and what should swim be wary of if buying acid.

thanks all

[Abrad]

Pure LSD is crystalline, if it's a liquid it has been dissolved a solvent such as ethanol. No way to tell how potent it is apart from lab analysis.

I'm sorry but price discussion is not allowed.

[Coconut]

Like Abrad said, if it's liquid it cannot be pure.

SWIM would be very sceptical of someone offering 500ml of high-potency liquid LSD for cheap or free. That could last someone for years. It might not even be LSD at all. Be careful.

[Felonious Skunk]

I think the meaning here might be:

Of course it's "watered down" but by "pure" this person means that the only thing in the water is LSD.

I would guess that the concentration might be usable at around 100 mcg per milliliter, but this is just an EDUCATED GUESS and more information should be obtained so SWIY can get a good idea of how many 100 mcg doses are purported to be in that 500 mL bottle.

Of course, no one will know for sure...

[bloodred1889]

ok swim has now been offered a bottle, its quite expensive for swim but if it lats for ages is it worth it?
swim has done mushrooms before but not lsd.
swim has also been offered blotter.
swim wants to buy a supply so swim can keep some for other times as swim hates waiting and asking ppl to "hook swim up"

so which one should swim go for?

thanks

[Panthers007]

A test kit for starts. Then a good chat to find out dilution - such as how many micrograms/millitre. One would be wise to be VERY skeptical regards what, how much, and why such a quantity.

Caveat Emptor.

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[Felonious Skunk]

This is a tough one, because the only way to really determine what's on a blotter or in a drop (or a mL!) is for someone with experience to titrate the liquid or the blotters and estimate the amount in a drop or on one blotter.

This is actually doable because at low doses (around 50 mcg) the "feel" of real LSD has a unique signature, i.e., one is not so high that perceptive mistakes as to identity/dosage are made.

For example, last fall some Shiva blotters from Europe made the rounds and SWIM started his testing with 1/4 of one blotter. The effects were felt in around 45 minutes, lasted 8 hours, and based on his previous experience, he estimated that he had ingested around 40 mcg of LSD.

Sure enough, lab analysis of that batch indicated the doses were calibrated at 167 mcg/blotter. If SWIM had taken a whole one, it would have been quite possible that the resulting intoxication would have seriously skewed his estimates (up or down!).

Of course, the GC/MS route exists, but is not a practical option for most people.

[OzzBozz]

500 mls?
normally the vials SWIM gets our the size of those visine bottles that you buy at a gas station for $0.99 etc.

VERY small... and each vial has 100-110

[bloodred1889]

yeah swim is confused constently swim has asked a few ppl, they all say they can only get liquid acid.
and they dont really say how big, or how much, so swim just gonna wait and see
swim will of course ask alot of questions before paying for it.

[insane_man]

A guy i know came across two ampoules of what is purported to be liquid acid. The dilution factor was said to be "half a teaspoon to 4 cups of solvent", and apparently the solution is meant to be used to make blotter. Since this guy knows that it will last longer in a solution and can't find any directions on making blotter, and no longer has contact with the source, would it be prudent to just dilute it based on that ratio and take a drop or two and see what happens?

[Mint boi]

Originally Posted by insane man

half a teaspoon to 4 cups of solvent

Well thats accurate! for something with such a tiny dose range swim would look for more precise info! Good luck!

[silenius]

a) purity: said enough on this (liquid cannot be pure)
b) getting this straight:

First of all, SWIM would d never consider a source claiming it is selling "pure" liquid. Using such a lame lie tells me that SWIY's source is clueless. If the source knew anything, (s)he would have come up with some claim like 100 ug per drop (regardless of whether it is true). So SWIM might want to consider dropping that source for blatant ignorance and for endangering psychonauts with bullshit information...

I know this sounds very harsh, but being bullshitted by a source is something that makes ME (not SWIM) very angy. A FOAF, SWIM, always has lots of fun asking dealers who offer SWIM substances about purity (asking for _numbers_). The very few that were knowlegable were all quite happy to talk to someone "sane", which in the end led to free, good trips for SWIM. OTOH, SWIM also witnessed a friend who freaked out on 350ug, after he refused to take only "half a drop", because he was used to 600ug...

Lessen learned: know your substance

PS: Maybe, SWIY should do some math for him/herself: An average blotter contains about 100ug (MICROgram), in general they range from 50 to 200, though there have been well known batches with dosages as low as 30ug per blotter or as high as 450ug.
So... How many trips did SWIY want to take? How many continents did SWIY want to supply with LSD?

Side note, inspired by the PS: We are talking micrograms. MICROgrams. How the f*ck wants to risk his mind by being told lies about the dosage? Being told lies for 10 trips ("200ug per drop") leads to a bad awakening when the next source tells the truth ("20ug per drop"). Of course, every sane person would just take 10 drops of the "bad" stuff, which might be twice as potent as the "good" stuff... (please not that the numbers in the last example ("per drop") are fictional - do NOT use them as a reference...

Safe tripping,
silenius

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[insane_man]

Originally Posted by mint boi

Well thats accurate! for something with such a tiny dose range swim would look for more precise info! Good luck!

Yeah he found that to be pretty shitty but really wants to dip into this shit. There are two glass ampoules, which one could assume are 1ml each (of course a syringe will be used to measure it before mixing), and he has a 750ml bottle of 151 rum. Since the only way I know of determining potency would be some expensive lab equipment, would you advise the man to mix one of the amps (assuming it is 1ml) in to the 750ml of 151 and take a drop and see what happens? I mean I know the doses are micrograms, and lsd has good solubility, but still how much can one reasonably expect there to be in each of these unlabelled glass amps?

[Spare Chaynge]

What is better for storing or diluting lsd in water or alcohol? And why is this so. what are the advantages and disadvantages of storing in one and not the other.

If the lsd is not pure why does it have to be broken down by alcohol and can not be by water. This is a quote from a swim a couple of pages back.

What makes the lsd not pure. What is left over that is not lsd-25.

[Songcycle67]

Usually crystal that isn't cleaned properly has to be dissolved in alcohol due to the vast number of isomers of LSD and other leftovers that are caked into the final LSD-25 solution (usually these leftovers are considered inert). Only the most unclean of batches would require alcohol to properly dissolve the gunk. There are several isomers of LSD that are debatable in their effects, most notably iso-LSD and lumi-LSD which purists have long attributed as being the cause of "bad acid."

SWIM has never heard of quality crystal being dilluted in alcohol, most cooks hold distilled water as the standard for dillution of good LSD. To SWIM's knowledge alcohol holds no advantage to water when dealing with properly cleaned LSD-25. The only problem would be the use of tap water due to the amount of chlorine, which supposedly destroys LSD, but even this is debatable. SWIM has had vials dilluted in distilled water last for years at full potency if stored properly.

If SWIY gets a vial and drops it onto another medium such as sugar cubes many factors can enter into the equation. Foremost is the size of the drop, which inevitably will vary with each application, but something that is often overlooked is proper drying. If the LSD is not allowed to dry into the substance there's a good chance that a majority of it (depending on how long they are dried) will end up on the sides of the baggie or whatever one stores them in.

It should be noted that in the modern climate, one who is exposing themselves to liquid LSD handed down through a chain of dealers is not only risking severe dillution (an extra drop of water can turn 100 hits into 200 and, in turn, 600 mics into 300), but also RC's. A drop of liquid can hold quite a lot more of a substance than a thin strip of paper or gelatin.

I don't understand the arguments about LSD dilluted in water being "impure." Purity is something which lies solely in the cleaning process to my understanding. When the crystal is cleaned the purity is established. Beyond that it's just a matter of the crystal:water ratio which would only affect dose.