Party Pills

[wertfun]

Originally Posted by Alfa

That's a difference between countries I think. New Zealand has actually created a 4th class of controlled substances, which are allowed to be sold under strict conditions. This is a very sensible approach to drug politics IMO. Such would not likely happen in the US. BTW: if my memory serves me right, the restrictions included export and dose. Both restrictions are being violated en mass.

That is from another thread. I am really interested in to dwell on that very sensible approach. Is there any other country that sells those pills that BZP based? I know in english websites online shops there are many piperezine and benzylpiperezine pills.Why it is known that just New Zealand made it legal?What is the reason of your countries not to allow you sell those? Any info about these pills marketing?

[Alfa]

Several EU countries have made the most common piperazines illegal.
Some reasons that might be used to ban the piperazines that are sold in these products:

1. Piperazines are synthetic drugs.
2. Piperazines can have serious side effects.
3. The ingredients are not properly listed.
4. The use of Piperazines is surging.
5. The same producers making these Piperazines pills also offer Piperazines in xtc like tablets, with xtc like logos. This is marketed to the underground and has caused hospitalisation troughout the EU.
6. Products with dangerously high dosage are available.
7. The media recently portrayed these Piperazine products as legal drugs which have the same effects as illegal drugs in a very senationalistic way.
8. Last but not least: to win votes.

[garbled]

In the US, anything that mimics the actions of ecstacy is illegal.

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Needs qualification. Otherwise is false.

[garbled]

Originally Posted by garbled

In the US, anything that mimics the actions of ecstacy is illegal.

After I posted this, someone stuck this on my reputation:

Needs qualification. Otherwise is false.

Excuse me, whoever it was that posted this, I suppose you have never heard of the Controlled Substance Analogue Act, have you?

"The Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act of 1986 (See attached) provided that a controlled substance analogue, to the extent intended for human consumption could be treated as a Schedule I substance. It defined a controlled substance analogue as a substance which (1) has a chemical structure substantially similar to that of a controlled substance in Schedule I or II; (2) produces a stimulant, depressant or hallucinogenic effect substantially similar to or greater than that produced by a Schedule I or II controlled substance; or (3) is represented by an individual to produce such an affect. Again, marketed substances, or those under active investigation, are exempt from this provision. With this provision analogues of controlled substances are covered under the criminal, but not the regulatory, provisions of the CSA."

Source: CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ANALOGUES, Frank L. Sapienza, Drug Enforcement Administration, November 1996

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...log_intro1.pdf

I think it really sucks to put something like that in my reputation rating when the poster obviously doesn't know what they are talking about.

[dnb warrior]

Originally Posted by Alfa

The same producers making these Piperazines pills also offer Piperazines in xtc like tablets, with xtc like logos. This is marketed to the underground and has caused hospitalisation troughout the EU.

this worries me... seems like if/when piperazines are made illegal in the uk/nz, the producers might have to divert their supply onto the black market in order to keep their profits, and they will be sold as "ecstasy" leading to more crappy pills...from what ive read its not like bzp is actually any safer than mdma and its nowhere near as good.

[Abrad]

Originally Posted by dnb warrior

this worries me... seems like if/when piperazines are made illegal in the uk/nz, the producers might have to divert their supply onto the black market in order to keep their profits, and they will be sold as "ecstasy" leading to more crappy pills...f

Already happening to some degree. One of the major suppliers is offering to press custom batches of pills in bulk with "ecstasy like logos". I'll let you guess what market he is targeting...

[Mona Lisa]

I agree with Alfa, I live in the UK, but it's only a matter of time before they're banned over here too. I wouldn't be surprised if they're outlawed by Christmas... It's only got to take one fatality from these things. Parents will have an outcry knowing that THEIR child can easily get ahold of legal highs over the internet, especially as some sites even take cash payments by post.

I read various forums and read about peoples' experiences with party pills and other legal highs; I've noticed how the distributors are continually coming up with 'newer' but definitely stronger products. I read of how these young people are stacking their doses; it seems inevitable that sooner or later, someone is going to have a seriously bad reaction. And it's true that the distributors don't often give a clear list of ingrediants
and what proportions of piperazines are exactly inside them.

For example, London Underground's XXX pills and Fast and Furious pills have exactly the same lists of ingrediants with the same ratios and amounts; but they evidently have different effects. So they are not being completely clear about what's giving the pills their effect.
I've even seen 80X salvia extract available on some websites.

Just wish that these companies could keep things more straightforward and not keep coming up with more and more powerful extracts, pills or whatever; after all, anyone who's experienced with either piperazines know how to judge doses, based on their past experiences and knowledge of what's in the tablet (if it would only clearly and honestly list the ingrediants and their ratios).

If these distributors could agree to stick to certain guidelines, then they could continue offer a legal high so that users could avoid risking a criminal record from illegal drugs; but human nature being what it is, I'm not optimistic unfortunately.

[Lunar Loops]

A slightly more enlightened approach being sought by the Green Party in New Zealand. This from The Scoop website (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0606/S00215.htm ) :

Party pill research doesn't justify prohibition

Tuesday, 13 June 2006, 4:42 pm
Press Release: Green Party 13 June 2006

Party pill research doesn't justify prohibition

The findings of the first of four research projects into party pill use and its effects are being welcomed by the Green Party, with a note of caution that they should not be used to justify total prohibition.
The research, which shows that as many as one in five New Zealanders have tried BZP or party pills, was released by the Ministerial Committee on Drugs today. It also found that 60 per cent of those surveyed believed there should be tougher regulation of the sale of the pills.
"The Green Party also believes that the sale of party pills should be subject to strict regulation, but we would be very disappointed if this research were used in any attempt to justify total prohibition of BZP," Green Party Alcohol and Drugs Spokesperson Metiria Turei says.
"We have learnt from the past with the examples of alcohol and cannabis that prohibition simply does not work. As the research points out, the risks of BZP are still largely unknown. The best chance of dealing with them successfully as they emerge is to ensure that party pills are a legal substance which can be regulated, rather than prohibiting them and confining them to underground use where the risks cannot be taken into account.
"The fact that the rate of use is so high among New Zealanders highlights this, as prohibition would effectively criminalise one fifth of the population. "The best tool we have against harm from drug use is information, so it is great to see this research being produced. I am looking forward to the results of the remaining three projects. I hope that all the findings are used to help develop sensible regulations around the use of BZP in New Zealand," Mrs Turei says.

[Lunar Loops]

On the same research, this from Stuff.co, New Zealand (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3699293a10,00.html) :
Party pill use more common than thought

13 June 2006
As many as one in five New Zealanders have tried "party pills", new research has found.


The study, the first of four research projects commissioned by the Ministry of Health on party pill or BZP use and its effects, found the number of New Zealanders dabbling in "legal highs" was much higher than previously thought.
The chairman of the Ministerial Committee on Drugs, Associate Health Minister Jim Anderton, said he was concerned about drug use and "the tragic consequences it can have on young people's lives".
"We know very little about the long-term effects of party pills in general and BZP in particular.
"This is why the Government has commissioned research to find out more."
The Government might consider outlawing them in the future, he said.
According to research by Massey University's Centre for Social and Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation (SHORE), one in seven people in the phone survey had used legal party pills over the past year.
About half said they had taken them only once or twice in that period.
Mr Anderton said the information from the study would be referred to the Expert Advisory Committee on Drugs (EACD) to consider at its next meeting scheduled in July.
The committee would be reviewing the status of BZP when more evidence on its dangers were known, he said.
"The EACD will then consider what further measures might be warranted to reduce the potential for harm.
"This might involve further regulating the manufacture and supply of BZP or, potentially, recommending that it be made illegal."
About half the party pill takers said they had suffered from sleep problems.
Other side effects included poor appetite, hot and cold flushes, heavy sweating, stomach pain and nausea, headaches, tremors and shakes, loss of energy, strange thoughts and mood swings.
Party pills are legal but they cannot be sold to under 18-year-olds or advertised in major media - TV, radio or print.
About 60 per cent of all people surveyed said they supported tougher regulation of party pill sales.
The latest research showed 20 per cent of those surveyed had tried party pills or BZP and 15 per cent had used them over the past year.
Use was greatest among 18 to 24-year-olds with up to 38 per cent saying they had taken them over the past year.
Nearly half of these people supported prohibition of party pills.
Reports from the other studies were expected over the next six months.

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an interesting article.!.

[wertfun]

I was thinking today at work about this subject and thought that there must be some politic reasons or some big secret politicians bussiness engagement or something like that in New Zealand for this unusual event. It is a big bussiness though! Even mafia connections came to my mind lol. Maybe I watch too much movies!

[Alfa]

No, it's very simple. The owner of the largest piperazine pills distributor, is friends with several key players in the NZ gov.

[altern8]

that's an interesting thread, and I was wondering about the party pills some days back, and seems that I got across this site by chance :0

[prescription]

hi, i live in new zealand so i amy be able to add some points to clarify things a bit.
Thie pills DO NOT MIMIC ecstacy, infact they are so crap and the hangover from them is so horrible (SWIM has vomited and had violent physical symptoms the day after taking 3 pills) that it is probably better paying the money for proper X. Another thing is that the pills are not supposed to have BZP in them because it is an apparently dangerous drug, this removes any real psychoactive properties from the pills (unless they are sold discreetly in pill barns and porn shops) and leaves the user buying pills which contain nothing more than a large amount of caffeine.
These pills are crap and all that they do is prevent u from sleeping so noone really buys them. These are my opinions however and i know other people who swear by them. They cost a bit less than X and the experience is usually shite (explains why most countries dont even bother with party pills).
All in all i think that they suck and really are a pointless bunch of pills since the people who really want an X experience will just go ahead and buy the proper stuff anyways..

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by prescription

Another thing is that the pills are not supposed to have BZP in them because it is an apparently dangerous drug, this removes any real psychoactive properties from the pills (unless they are sold discreetly in pill barns and porn shops) and leaves the user buying pills which contain nothing more than a large amount of caffeine.

Aye! Of course they contain BZP. The pills are extremely popular in NZ with over 5000,000 being sold, and one in 5 people having tried them. They do make some people feel crap (more those with other Piperazines than just BZP), especially when combined with alcohol, but many others continue to enjoy them on a regular basis.