Tramadol - round two

[Nahbus]

SWIM obtained four 50mg pills of tramadol. Quoted from him:

"Took 100mg around noon and smoked a quick bowl. I then went to help my mom out at an art show. I was starting to feel great. It's pretty subtle at 100mg but I enjoy this level very much. It was a cold and WINDY AS HELL day, but the sun was coming out. Soon enough we made friends with this kickass lady who I was talking to all day. She was sneaking shots, offered me some, but kindly refused, due to the opiate+alcohol combo. Anyways, we all had a blast, she gave me a free Henna tattoo. I was very social, had a smile on my face the whole day. I just felt like sunshine (as the sun has been coming out as well and warming up slightly)! Walking around was fun, smiling at everyone, looking at all the interesting people around.
Took another 100mg (the rest) and soon a few of my friends came by and chill with us for a bit. Started 'nodding out' as you will, slightly. Started getting tired, could feel my eyes wanting to close. I figured I wouldn't be this tired again like last time, assuming it was the pot that made me super tired. This time I just had a couple hits in the morning with the tramadol, none the rest of the day (untill this bong ). In fact I had about 3-4 cups of coffee. Anyway, I get home around 5:30 and go right up to my bed to take a quick nap. 5 hours later I missed a huge party (well it's still goin on, but I got work tomorrow and really don't feel like goin out anyway. Got my bong and some video games right here for this lazy night).
I woke up, so confused, as you do when you wake up at 10:30 at night. I woke up feeling like Rip Van Winkle. Oh man what time is it where am I what year is it, did we win the war? Anyway, just sharing my report. The feeling of tramadol is wonderful and I love it, but makes me more tired than anything else. Now I know, though, and can plan around that. If I get anymore they will be taken around 6pm, feel great for the rest of the night and pass out. Fun stuff!"

[Forthesevenlakes]

swim finds it interesting that swiy felt tired after taking it. many reports swim has heard involve people feeling energized or overly awake after taking it (probably due to the ssri effects?) but swim himself, along with swiy, actually has nodded off from tramadol before. wonder what might account for the individual differences here, because it seems swiy and swim are in the minority here. or ARE they? swim would like to hear about some other people's experiences!

[Nahbus]

SWIM, too, has head of this energetic effect from tramadol. If only SWIM had that effect!

[Micklemouse]

Sounds like SWiN had it up to the 100mg point. A Certain Mouse tells me that 50 - 100 mg, spaced out (no pun intended!) gives an energetic buzz, fluffy & chatty, reminiscent he says of a low dose codiene high, with that definite serotonin boost feel to it (bear in mind that he rarely ingests opiates or serotonin agonists these days, so can generally be seen as pretty much opiate naive whenever he does). He hasn't gone above 100 mg, but it would seem from what I've read & observed that the more sedating opiate effects begins at 150 mg+.

Less would definitely seem to be more with this one...

[Nahbus]

last time SWIM took 100mg only and was just as super super tired.

[Micklemouse]

No stimulation at all? Interesting... Are opi's a regular experiment for your monkey?

[Nahbus]

not very. SWIM enjoys hydros which don't make him tired, even taking like 5 or 6 7.5mg pills throughout the day. Don't think oxy's do either. Havent had the chance to try any others.

[Micklemouse]

How about Serotonic agents? Asked cos although obviously different people are going to have different reactions, Tramadol seems to have a very wide range of experiences. Which got me wondering - given that Tramadol is both an SSRI & an opioid, would there perhaps be a connection between prior use of either of these classes of drugs, or drugs acting on similar receptors, & the variety of effects...

Could be on a complete loser with this train of thought, but the vague gist was this - A Certain Mouse & his nest-mates who've experimented with Tramadol & all found it stimulating have all been subject to experiments with tryptamines & phenethylamines for many years (read 10 - 20), thus potentially making them more sensitive to the stimulating SSRI side of the med, while generally speaking their experiments with opiates have been minimal. From there I thought maybe an animal that has been subject to experiments primarily with opiates may have a more natural affinity for the more sedating opiate effects (although I understand that some opiates do have their stimulant edge, & some monkeys find SSRI's sedating).

My logic may be very skewed here, & is pure theory with nothing but observation to back it up, but all thoughts welcome.

Also, the report isn't very clear (or it could be me!) - were the 2 ingestions on separate days or the same day?

[old hippie 56]

The swim who is prescribed Tramadol have noticed this simulation above the 100mg level. Pain goes down and energy levels comes up, that what swims likes about the drug. But, he finds it works better by skipping a day or two between doses.

[Fantasian]

SWIFantasian agrees with many of the posts here, See SWIFantasian's Tramadol experiences or various opiate experience to see how he found it. (dont want to repost)

Seems that much of the sedation of opiates for SWIM were not found in tramadol.

[Forthesevenlakes]

come to think of it, maybe the sedation is very dosage dependent. swim would always take around 200-250 mg and end up with a sleepy feeling. however the lab rats reporting a boost in energy were usually taking around the 100-150 mg range, and were much less opioid tolerant than swim. maybe also of note was that some of these lab rats had using xtc a few times a week in the weeks preceding tramadol ingestion, so their serotonin systems may have been slightly different than swim's, who had only taken xtc once in that timeframe. so whether one gets sedated or not could pertain to a cutoff dosage, differences in opiate and seretonergic drug tolerance, or some combination of both.

[Nahbus]

SWIM took hydrocodone again last night and experienced no real sedation. In fact, if anything, SWIM experienced stimulation and had trouble getting to bed!
SWIM thinks it's just the tramadol.