Spiritual - Places and "Beings" while on LSD

[MindCandy]

SWIM's first question regards the first part of tripping: finding LSD. Is there any site to go to where you can searching the drug culture of your own town and or find out any locations or raves in your own area? SWIM's not the type who goes up to random people asking for LSD, but he does know there is such a thing as being at the right place at the right time, and is smart enough to wait until Alice is ready to dance with him. Nevertheless, he would like to know if there is a way to find potential areas close to him where LSD is available.


On an unrelated note, more out of curiosity than a question that needs to be answered: One of my closest friends was tripping really hard (not on LSD but on DMT) last week and saw a "being." He said it was a weird person/type thing and the closest thing that he could describe it to visually was God. He told me that it was DMT, as an actual being. Has anyone had similar instances where they have actually met the actual drug they were taking (sounds pretty weird, but maybe someone on this thread has seen Alice in person) or were able to see him/her/it?

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started a nice subject and a nice thread

[Nagognog2]

Meeting "Entities" while on DMT is a classical experience with this substance. No one can prove they do not exist, or do. There has been extensive speculation of DMT causing one to glimpse into a parallel universe.

Go figure.

[MindCandy]

But are there instances with this when someone is on LSD?

[Micklemouse]

Any true psychedalic has the potential I believe to put the taler in contact with apparent entities. There are more reports with DMT, but A Certain Mouse has spoken with people who've communed with elves after taking DMT, lsd, Salvia, ketamine, the Shroom, & himself first met elves (2 of 'em) after a good dose of mdma.

It's obviously not a phenomena that everyone will experience (although as stated more common with DMT, & also hgher dose dissociatives), and there are few that can call these beings. A word of advice if you do meet them - A Certain Mouse, & others, have said that they don't like verbal communication, preferring 'emotional communication' to words.

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nice advice on the emotional part ...

[Ahuaeynjx]

In my dream the figure resembles that there is a 6th dimention above our plane of existance where the humans have 12 active senses instead of 5. This is the realm of pure spirit which inspires our fantasies and reality...

One can say in a way that there are active principles behind some groupings of natural medicine ; which seem to indulge in consciousness, perhaps only temporarly. These beings are called religiously logoi (which means "saying") and there would be a limited number of logoi and angels which are in relation to the geometry and symmetry of our universe (Arches and Angels).

The 7 plant logoi would be as follow in no particular order of importance for the exeption of the Amanita which is magnitudinal (meaning crossing over with amplitude and magnification) to the other logoi.

Amanita Muscaria (mychorizea prima) (related to root color red ; sexual energy, anger)

Cocaine, Yohimbine (related to color yellow ; humor, heroism) [They include the synthetic and natural ephedrines, amphetamines etc...]

Peace herbs Cannabis, Tobacco (related to the color blue ; bud life, pod relations)

Green vine, DMT (related to color green ; healing, lushness) [They include synthetic and natural LSA's, Bufotenin, Psylocybin, Mescalin etc...]

Poppies and somniferums (related to color orange ; extasy, replendishment) [includes blue lilly, wild lettuce etc...]

Nightshades Datura, Belladone (related to color indigo ; invisible intricacity) [Includes Brumangsia, Brunfelsia, Mandragora etc...]

Salvia Divinorum (related to color violet ; unicity)

But something like distortion happens when the product is synthetic, so the clearness of the communication is likely to be overshadowed by the mind. Those consciousnesses will not let anyone commune with them as they are more than themselves, due to the present state of the planet I an certain that even a high dose of DMT (supposedly the strongest buzz there is) will not have SWIM peek to the 6th dimention or a parallel universe... he will merely be held inside the dome and trapped into the 5th dimention because his body would combust, how gentle of the guardians. Insight might be provided but most likely highly distortionned if the dose was high or environement wrong. SWIM emphasises that no ingestion what so ever is required to perceive the communications, they are also medicine, abuse will definately whip back faster and faster as our planet heats. DMT is what causes vivid dreams, 5-meo-DMT is what causes lucid dreams, pinoline, serotonin and melatonin are down the same chain. Everywhere in the scientific domains we see an elusive kind of geometry in the compositions of those substances, as if they carried more than themselves. I am certain they do ; because through them has gone the majority of all ethnicities and consciousnesses. If they are all linked in that geometry then this can only mean that are all the same thing ; only flipped inside out and flabberghasted as to serve the same purpose.

Weird dream isn't it ?

Namase,

Ahu

[Silence_Inc]

a friend of mine saw a gnome on lsd one time. if it would be anyone but him to say such a thing i would laugh it away ... but he really saw him. it wasn't like you would see a gnome in our reality ... more like in the shades of the patterns covering your visuals. it told him that this was the moment and he had to enjoy it cause that was what life is about. enjoy it enjoy it!!

(something in that manner)

another story i heard passing arround was from two people at a party. they were high on acid and sitting on the ground. one of them was looking at the people dancing, when suddenly it appeared as time stopped. everything freezed and there came a crack in the - euhm - world ... something ripped open ... and suddenly little elves jumped out of this crack - and danced arround between all the people laughing and giggling. suddenly they jumped back into the crack and time continued. the strange thing is that these two people looked at eachother to tell the same story of what they just saw happening.


swim has met entities on salvia, it looked like the gingerbread man and existed out of continoues moving energy. like fractal gingerbreads in gingerbreads moving and spiralling arround. it told a message wich he was forbidden to pass on. after some time, offcourse he did say it to some people and he never met the entity after

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by MindCandy

SWIM's first question regards the first part of tripping: finding LSD. Is there any site to go to where you can searching the drug culture of your own town and or find out any locations or raves in your own area? ... he would like to know if there is a way to find potential areas close to him where LSD is available.

With regards to this part of the question, SWiYou comes very close to soliciting here. Even if such sites did exist, I wouldn't trust them, & I would hope noone here would be stoopid enough to post links to them here. I would imagine though that there will be web-sites giving club listings for most major towns - just Scroogle it.

I suggest you edit this part of your post out completely (after which I'll delete this too, & we can forget it ever happened. Can't say fairer than that, now, eh?)- it spoils what is turning into an otherwise interesting thread.

Edit: - Oops, forgot that newbies can't edit! Sorry! PM a mod & eat humble pie!

[MindCandy]

Anyway, SWIM knows of people who have seen animals and creatures on various drugs, but besides his cousin he has never seen somebody who had claims of actually spotting an entity that was actually the drug being taken. If anyone has experienced something like this, please share!

[Silence_Inc]

in swims experience it has always been the drug taken OR - a part of swim that was ripped of from the everyday ego speaken to him ... salvia, ayahuasca ... have that power ...

last time salvia told him to focus on the lesson in class ... not to wonder of attention to unsacred places.

[Nagognog2]

MindCandy:

We have a calander here of up and coming events of a variety of different genres. It can be found down on the bottom of the main forum page. For your convenience, here is the link:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/calendar.php

You will find many events all over the world. Maybe even one near you.

Regards the nature of entities, Silence_Inc believes rather as i do - that entities are disassociated portions of one's psyche stopping in for a chat. Though others will argue they are aliens from another galaxy. While encounters are rather common with DMT, certainly things like ayahuasca and peyote can bring them to life. A friend of mine went dancing with a large, black dog while on 500mg of mescaline sulfate. Only he could see this dog. Other tales of such are too numerous to list here.

[MindCandy]

Does anybody know of someone who has actually seen/met Alice (as in, the actual LSD drug being interpreted in someone's mind as a actual being)? I am not talking about seeing things, people, or animals while tripping. I am referring to actually seeing the drug as one of these entities while tripping and thinking that it was not only a hallucination as a result of the drug, but a hallucination of the actual drug.
This sounds a bit cryptic, but I believe if anyone has actually experienced this (which I regret to say SWIM hasn't yet) will understand what I am trying to say.

[Nagognog2]

You are refering to such manifestations as encountering the Spirit. Such as the "spirit of the mushroom", etc. Yes? This does/can happen. More commonly with natural substances than with artificial ones such as LSD25. There exists large bodies of written material on these occurances. Once again, this is a very large topic that can't be fully addressed in this forum. I suggest you start your hunt in this forum:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39

And search also for books on related topics such as ethnobotany and psychedelic aspects of cultural evolution. That should keep you out of trouble for awhile. LOL!

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

that entities are disassociated portions on one's psyche stopping in for a chat.

I think along simular lines and think entities and other halucinations are symbolise issues in the psyche. One might even apply psychoanalytic dream deduction to them.
But this does not rule out other explainations as well. i.e. IMO, the processes/dynamics of the human psyche is basicly the same for all humans, with a differentiation between characters(genes, upbringing & soul). The workings of the human psyche's basic simularities gives another meaning to the archaic symbols as used by various tribes. Where as when one would meet a certain entity or animal has a certain meaning. Or in the magickal sense, where meeting a certain entity relates to the plane or path you are on(mental/spiritual state you are in).

[Nagognog2]

Outward manifestations of what Jung would call archetypes. All with common bonds found throughout humanity without reservation to time and location.

But we are getting rather deep here! LOL.

[fatal]

any physical manifestation be it a dog or a person or this supposed fictional chracter of alice as lsd is a manifestation of the drug you have taken. regardless of if this is caused by fragmentation of the ego, entering new planes of existance, or simply just tripping it is still a manifestation of the interaction of your mind and the drug.

[Alfa]

IMO the whole trip is a manifestation of the interaction between your mind and the drug. But this still means that the dynamics of the mind are causing the hallucinations. The drug activates these dynamics.
I see a lot of resemblance between hallucinations and dreams. One can easely discard dreams as a manifestation of the sleeping state. Still one can learn a lot about someone from interpertating his/her dreams.

[MindCandy]

I do not fully know, but I was say that my friend is not much of a believer in deeper things (i.e. spirits; entities with true meaning as opposed to hallucinogenic side-effects). However, this may be a new beginning for my enlightened friend and could turn him into a believer of the phychedelic remedies of LSD.
I only hope SWIM might have the pleasure of having such enounters and experiencing a dreamlike state where he is still conscious and view his life from a perspective where he can see all sides of himself and alter his mind to change the bad and better the good.
I like the interpretations of the other people who have posted before me, and it looks like some of you hit the nail right on the head with the whole conception of beings and entities.

[Silence_Inc]

to know if it is really an entity or a part of yourself that is manifested in some psycholocial or some other form, we can't really know. i think much lies in the interpretation of the person experienicng it. and i also think it doesn't really matter ... as long as you experience it fully and don't loose your head about it.

to add fuel...

eskimos that were given ayahuasca had visions of snakes and leopards ... and no, they didn't watch national geographic ... so you could say that the embodiment of ayahuasca is a snake (like alot of people say) ... or you could say that it's some deep rooted form of psyche that's manifested. the snake is one of the first fears humans (human-apes) where confronted with.

[Nagognog2]

And large cats are also reported as visions of people who have no personal experience with such with ayahuasca.

It has been proposed that this is due to pre-language humans needing to communicate dangers to their fellow tribe members. Thus by ingraining these images in their minds, they were able to communicate on a near-telepathic level of what was up around the bend that posed a danger. Or food source. Etc.

What is interesting to me about this hypothesis is that in science-fiction, we see the more advanced "aliens" communicating by telepathy - whereas it may be that telepathy was something that we used to use commonly (or almost) and is now more of an atrophied muscle we keep in the cellar of our collective unconscious. Thus the use of psychedelics may free-up this old knowledge and allow us a glimpse far into the past history of our species.

[Silence_Inc]

that's indeed a nice hypothesis - that because this form of danger (like the snake) was so important - that the message was also incripted deep into the emotional/telepthaic system becasue of the power one would transfer it to another ... nice.

makes me think of the 100 monkey theory again.

you knowabout that one?

ill say it anyway for those that don't know.

the 100 monkey theory:

there was a test done with monkeys. a group of monkeys at 1 island or place started washing there potatoes before they ate them. don't remeber if they got teached or they found out themselves. anyaway. more monkeys started to learn this new trick. and then - when the 100'd monkey learned to do this trick - other monkeys at another island that didn't have contact with the first group suddenly started washing there potatoes!! ... it prooved in a way that there is a web of information an connectedness linkin all and everything. and that it's a good thng to try being nice cause it might well influance another person conciounsness

[MindCandy]

This is really interesting, because if your theory is true, then the use of LSD would be like bringing back the use of the appendix (a now useless tissue formerly used for the aid in the digestion of raw meat) in the sense that we will now be able to have a functioning part of body that could provide us with convenient applications and new possibilities for the human race as a whole!
But of couse for this to truly work, the frog in the boiling pot method would still be necessary.

[MindCandy]

What I'm trying to say is that LSD may be the exact (or closest possible) key to the mind. It may be the missing link for mankind and experimentation and evaluation of it can only improve on the way we live and think. This is just a random thought, so any other ideas are open for discussion.

[Alfa]

Please explain the meaning of 'the frog in the boiling pot'.

[Silence_Inc]

Originally Posted by MindCandy

What I'm trying to say is that LSD may be the exact (or closest possible) key to the mind. It may be the missing link for mankind and experimentation and evaluation of it can only improve on the way we live and think. This is just a random thought, so any other ideas are open for discussion.

well - that's a very positive thought and i do believe that lsd can help people and their personal evolution. but i also see alot of people using it and just don't gain anything special from it on a spiritual level. they even got worse if i'm entitled to make such a statement about someone else. they think they are better than others BECAUSE they use lsd - that's just totally stupid.

but yes - it beholds the possibility - but the outcome lies in the hands of mankind or a persons use - not a drug.

so any drug or any method can do that - IF the person is up to it.

[Alfa]

SWIM thinks LSD is a very powerfull tool for spiritual development, but as with every tool LSD can be used both positive and negative. Constructual and deconstructual. Simply said: running around, acting stupid will have a degrading effect on the user's spiritual development. The effects of LSD can have a deep impact on the users psychological make up in a negative or positive way. One can learn a lot, one can open many doors in your psyche or can get lost. We are getting off topic here.