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Old 09-10-2012, 06:22
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How much Bali Kratom to take?

Afoaf just got some Bali Kratom powdered leaf from his local head shop. It is in a very nondescript clear plastic baggy with what looks like a handcut rectangular white piece of cardboard that says "Bali Kratom Powdered Leaf (Mitragyna Speciosa) This plant has been used for thousands of years for its medicinal properties. Known as a natural pain reliever. This powdered form can be mixed into a drink or brewed into a tea." It was 5 grams in ten capsules. Considering it's inconspicuousness I don't know if it is possible for anyone hear to infer it's source. But what I'm wondering is how much one might have to take to experience a noticeable effect assuming it is at least your average quality Bali Kratom. He used Thai Captains Kratom before and only barely began to feel anything with about six capsules. How does the strength of Bali Kratom compare to Thai? He doesn't want to waste his bag determining his dosage if he can avoid it. Thank you.

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Old 09-10-2012, 06:32
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

First off, please take that price out............oh, you can't, you are a newbie, so no neg rep, but (not being a dick) you now know for sure that you do not post prices with a couple exclusions (such as pharmaceutical drugs from drug chain stores). I will report the thread to have price removed (don't worry, not like I haven't screwed up before, but you might want to re-read the rules you signed to so you don't get banned). Also, real quick, you might want to use the search engine (or UTFSE) on the site because this has been gone over. Don't get me wrong, I know you are a newbie, just trying to help, so check out these links when you get a chance
https://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=37552
https://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=188238

Okay, just a STRONG warning, kratom when taken to much or to frequently can and almost always does lead to having withdrawals when you stop taking it. It gives an opiate like withdrawal which is not fun and depending on person and amounts, it can be very miserable.

Third thing, we kind of need to know your opiate tolerance, as in how much opiate medications do you take or have you taken recently?

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Old 09-10-2012, 06:44
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

Yeah. Sorry. I forgot. I actually checked for a delete function because about the time I posted this I realized it was probably almost entirely useless and somehow an infringement and that the question had probably been answered before... so yeah... but thanks for the response. He just took the five grams anyway so we'll see what happens. He shouldn't have any opiate tolerance. He hasn't taken any in a long time and never abused them.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:57
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

Well, for not knowing you didn't do so bad, good thing it's not a substance that can kill you right?

5 grams is a strong dosage for most without opiate tolerance, the worst that will happen providing that it's just kratom (and not some research chemical crap or something of the like, you have to be careful buying from smoke shops because not everything advertised as kratom is kratom, not that I am trying to scare you, just letting you know) is you might get nauseous and a little dizzy.

With no opiate tolerance I would say that 2 to 4 grams is a decent starting dosage.

Please let us know how it goes, oh, and stay safe.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:55
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

Oh no. He didn't take that dose blindly. He's not that dumb :b He did find some recommended dosages and compared that to his previous experience. He may be experiencing very mild relaxation and elevation of mood but so little as to barely be perceptible like last time. He incorrectly assumed that each capsule would have been a gram as it was last time or he would have gotten more or not bothered as the whole bag was not enough for a decent dose for him. I'm sure this isn't the place for this observation but I find it kind of funny what high standards this site has for it's posts considering the popular perception of substance users. I almost feel that anyone looking at the subject objectively could infer from the presence of this site that drug laws should probably be reexamined...
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:25
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

First up, stop buying kratom in headshops or online sites that sell 'legal highs'
Not only do they tend to sell poor quality kratom (captains kratom being a great example) they also market in in ways that put kratoms continued legality in danger.

5 grams of bali would be a good starting dose for most people.
Please make a little effort in searching before starting new threads, your question has been asked and answered countless times.

Make sure you are using it correctly and taking it on an empty stomach.
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Old 09-10-2012, 18:42
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

Yes. I got that. Thanks for being rude guys.

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Old 12-10-2012, 01:01
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

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Yes. I got that. Thanks for being rude guys.
Yes, I have noticed many people are extremely rude on forums because they have been using the same one forever. They feel that they hold "the most power" because they know the rules better or they've been on the forum longer than you have. They need to get over themselves and realize that these are just websites to discuss matters...specifically matters about drugs. Who gives a flying hell if you are a "Newbie" it's a discussion forum...not high school.

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Old 20-04-2014, 09:52
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

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First up, stop buying kratom in headshops or online sites that sell 'legal highs'
Not only do they tend to sell poor quality kratom (captains kratom being a great example) they also market in in ways that put kratoms continued legality in danger.

5 grams of bali would be a good starting dose for most people.
Please make a little effort in searching before starting new threads, your question has been asked and answered countless times.

Make sure you are using it correctly and taking it on an empty stomach.

old thread but saw the term "captains kratom" guess it's time for me to find a new vendor
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Old 25-04-2014, 23:03
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

I would just like to add for anyone who is reading this thread in the future..

A lot of companies, vendors, headshops etc. might sell a variant of kratom named "Bali Kratom, Bali Leaf, Bali Powder (not specific, just generic examples)

But i think you should all be informed that Kratom doesn't actually GROW in Bali..

Bali has just become a powerful selling name due to the fact that a lot of kratom is shipped to Bali just to later be exported into the states or other parts of the world.

People started getting kratom from Bali and came to the conclusion that it was grown there, though that is not the case.

Most of the "Bali Kratom" if not all, is going to be an "Indo red vein, Thai red vein, or Borneo red vein"

If anyone can show me some substantial evidence that it does in fact GROW in Bali, i would definitely take the time to read it

Personally, i think Indo red vein is more energizing so lighter doses are very nice, and the Thai red is definitely more sedating so anything from a light to moderate dose is pleasurable.

I know there are more red veins than "indo, thai, and borneo" but seeing as those are the most popular as far as i can see then i'd say that's most likely what you'll be getting in your "bali kratom" orders.
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Old 28-04-2014, 08:19
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

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I would just like to add for anyone who is reading this thread in the future..

A lot of companies, vendors, headshops etc. might sell a variant of kratom named "Bali Kratom, Bali Leaf, Bali Powder (not specific, just generic examples)

But i think you should all be informed that Kratom doesn't actually GROW in Bali..

Bali has just become a powerful selling name due to the fact that a lot of kratom is shipped to Bali just to later be exported into the states or other parts of the world.

People started getting kratom from Bali and came to the conclusion that it was grown there, though that is not the case.

Most of the "Bali Kratom" if not all, is going to be an "Indo red vein, Thai red vein, or Borneo red vein"

If anyone can show me some substantial evidence that it does in fact GROW in Bali, i would definitely take the time to read it

Personally, i think Indo red vein is more energizing so lighter doses are very nice, and the Thai red is definitely more sedating so anything from a light to moderate dose is pleasurable.

I know there are more red veins than "indo, thai, and borneo" but seeing as those are the most popular as far as i can see then i'd say that's most likely what you'll be getting in your "bali kratom" orders.

It's grown in my herbal garden.

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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

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Most of the "Bali Kratom" if not all, is going to be an "Indo red vein, Thai red vein, or Borneo red vein"
Actually Borneo supplies the most of what is sold as Bali (and a little Sumatran)
I don't think anyone on this site has ever made claims of it growing on Bali.
The reason it became knows as 'Bali Kratom' is because that is where the vendor who was supplying the kratom that started to be shipped out to the west over a decade ago was located. They obviously knew how big ethnobotanicals were becoming and spotted an opportunity, and thank jebus they did

That's not to say that all Bali/Borneo is the same.
There are several vendors who at the source who have their own kratom supplies an even though what they sell as 'Bali' might be from the same country/island as other Bali/Borneo kratom there are alsays going to be some slight differences due to the location/soil/climate/age of the trees/how they are harvested -dried - stored and shipped etc.

Even my favourite vendor from the source who offers the most amazing kratom, i still go to another source when i want Bali/Borneo.
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Old 28-04-2014, 18:32
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

@Ianzombie - thank you for the detailed explanation, i found that really helpful and interesting.

I guess I was just more confused at why people actually call it Bali kratom after all this time, but what you said makes perfect sense.

But i'll keep from going on anymore as I'm causing this to get a little off topic, my apologies.
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

point being you can grow it anywhere, as long as you got sunlight really... Grow it inside if it get's cold and so on.
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

Can you post some photos, darksyntheticmatter.
They would be a good addition to the thread and the kratom forum in general.
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Re: How much Bali Kratom to take?

I would say take all 10 because 5 grams is a pretty medium dosage for bali if you looking for sedative-like effects

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