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Old 21-09-2012, 13:51
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N-ethylketamine Experiences

Please add your experiences with N-Ethyl-Ketamine (N-KET or NEK) Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:

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Dosage:
Route: IM
Duration: about 1 hour per dose (total 22 hours)

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body weight & gender: male, 13 stone
dose taken: 50mg, 100mg, 150 mg (1g in total)
route of administration: IM
Setting: in what environment it was taken. Home, listening to music through headphones
duration of main effects: I hour per time
main effects: complex, vivid visuals, euphoria, time dilation, 'significant' thoughts, feelings of experiencing alternate realities
side effects: clumsiness, inability to do perform tasks requiring coordination (driving, working machinery, etc not advised-- any activity involving being immersed water could be fatal!), suppression of appetite, blurring of vison
after effects: tiredness, slightly upset stomach
rating of the experience: 9/10
addictive qualities / abuse potential: as with ketamine
any other valuable information: dangers involved will be similar to those relating to ketamine
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A friend has tried this. This is what he told me.

He said that 50mg injected IM is quite similar to ketamine but perhaps less numbing and confusing.

The effects started after about 4-5 minutes and peak effects of euphoria and slight dissociation finished in about 17-20 minutes. There was some audio-visual enhancement. Lesser effects lasted for an hour or so. 50mg, judging from the sample he had, is a low dose.

A second dose was taken after about 1 hour. This time 80mg and the addition of assorted vaporized cannabinoids. This tends to add depth and a more visual dimension to arylcyclohexylamines.

The effects are cumulative, This time there were vivid and complex visual and audio effects. He said he felt as if in huge space, with music taking on great significance. He thought 'significant' thoughts (which are not really very significant at all, of course) ans enjoyed considerable euphoria. The main effects were still only 20 minutes or so but with lesser enjoyable effects lasting for a hour, after which he felt quite able to work on a computer.

Of all the new arylcyclohexylamines, this one may be the most like ketamine, but the feeling is considerably different, possibly half way between ketamine and 3-ME0-PCP.

A third dose was taken just an hour later. He took 100mg plus cannabinoids. This was intense, although without the cannabinoids such a dose would not be overwhelming. He felt himself in a vortex of visual and mental effects. There were the usual ketamine like effects, but clearly defined, with vivid imagery and mind games. He experienced in the space of half an hour or so what seemed like hours and experienced a whole spectrum of states of mind from something like clear light to the an approximation of the depths of delusion, from sheer ecstasy and ego expansion to total deflation, but it seems like a fantastic game , nothing more. The usual intense feeling of messages was there. partly The intense music listened to-- Arcana's Arc of the Testimony was his environment. He managed to notice that he was listening to a track called "Circles of Hell" which evoked the appropriate imagery and mental loops. Somehow this was all intensely enjoyable and intensely euphoric.

After one hour or so, going back to baseline but tired and wishing.... The 'overuse trap' as Lilly would say. Unlike it's longer acting relatives, it seems to be somewhat compulsive he thinks.

After some hours he took about 20mg of Diazepam to get some sleep, but carried on waking up.

Over about 22 hours the whole gram sample had gone, does going up to about 150mg, but tolerance builds fast. Once the experience was utterly unsatisfactory (arylcyclohexylamines are not 100% predictable) but the others were intensely visual. He felt as if he was seeing glimpse of the future of space, even seeing, for moments, multi-colored 'beings' in matrices of shapes and colour-- in the 'quantum flux' (Karl Jansen's phrase). CEV's and open eyed visuals were hardly distinguishable. He saw massive cites and building. He saw alien moving vegetation. This is the most visual arylcyclohexylamine he has tried. Only S-Ketamine, compares in this, or perhaps 4-MEO-PCP, but neither produces the profusion and complexity of visuals (although tehse would not be nearly so vivid without cannabinoids of some kind). The material is quite exciting because it has more depth than recent new arylcyclohexylamines. It is the most ketamine like of then all. Dossage may be quite similar as id duration, from what is know so far. the experience is however is differnt in many ways. It seems less debilitating and the annoying double version of ketamine is not very apparent.

More diazepam helped to bring deep sleep. The next day he felt very tired and low. There is always a price to pay!

He would not be surprised if this material is not very popular in some quarters soon.

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Nice thread and exp report

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Old 25-09-2012, 20:17
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Re: N-Ethyl-Ketamine: 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone experiences

I guy I just meet yesterday told me his experience with N-Ethyl-Ketamine

Dosage: Unknown and would not tell approximate to create no confusion.
Route: Insufflated
Duration: 45min - 1h

body weight & gender: male, 190lbs
Setting: Alone in his room
duration of main effects: No main effect, the substance seem to keeps on threshold
main effects: Mentaly feels like a dissociative but it doesnt gives the similar effect of ketamine, MXE, 4-MeO-PCP
side effects: Feeling of cold, blurred vision
after effects: None, return to baseline after 1h
rating of the experience: 5/10 it was not good but it was not bad
addictive qualities / abuse potential: Unsure with the experiance he had

Its a little bit disapointing, the substance is clearly active but it seem like the effect wouldnt go further then threshold.

The guy put some NEK on a glass and insufflate it, as he doesnt have a scale he always start slow and keep up to the desire effect. So he insufflate a very small amount and feels nothing so he keep doing that for about 45 minutes until he feels the effect. When he finaly feels the effect he waited the typical visual he usually get with other dissociatives (feels like he spinning on his self even if he is in his bed, the vision is doing 180° rotation) well he doesnt get this effect. SO he think he might be on threshold effect so he keep insufflate more and to reach this effect that tells him he got enough... No visial, no mind trip, no hole. Even if he took twice the dose to achieved threshold effect he still have the same effect.

He tried again 2 more time by taking a large amount at once to meaby get a complete dissociative effect, but no it keeps on threshold every time.

He wont do more then that because from what he reads, the amount took is suppose to be enough.

So his experience with NEK was not bad neither it was good.

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Thank you for this detailed report and noting the threshold effects.

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Old 26-09-2012, 01:11
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Re: N-Ethyl-Ketamine: 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone experiences

A measured dosage might be helpful.
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Old 26-09-2012, 01:56
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Re: N-Ethyl-Ketamine: 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone experiences

Low med and high dose have been tested. All result in the same effect.

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Old 26-09-2012, 05:06
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Re: N-Ethyl-Ketamine: 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone experiences

It is interesting because two reports in other thread followed the same pattern-- one experimenter loved it, the other was indifferent. Still, 'Low med and high dose' don't mean much in the context of a new material. I would say, at present, low is about 50mg, medium about 100mg, high 150 up, probably much like ketamine. We are assuming that everyone is getting the same batch, which is possible but not certain.
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Old 02-10-2012, 15:37
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Re: N-Ethyl-Ketamine: 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone experiences

My friend has tried other ROA. Snorting is OK, if wasteful-- not as painful as ketamine. Of course the dosage needs to be slightly higher. Anal administration is effective.

The dosage may actually be higher than with ketamine, but that depends on whether you want to 'hole' (a NEK hole?) or enjoy a state of altered consciousness. With the newer ketamine/ PCP variants there seems to be less anaesthesia at lower doses, but dissociation can be achieved by concentration. The new one is particularly visual for my friend.

As the duration is short, the impulse to re-dose is great. My friend says that this is better taken quite infrequently!
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

Landed home from the gym packaged arrived,
Kinda lumpy, chalky powder
ROA IM
100mg im and felt the a k kind of feeling in fingers etc
50mg booster 15 mins later felt flushed in the face and have a mild k like vision

1 hour later
100mg made a cup of tea have a mild k feeling like earlier
100mg The effects did not double the "mild" k feeling just got heavier but not really stronger

The tester only got 500mg so is not going to get to dose higher than 200mg
Its very short lived and not very strong. its like K with no balls

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not really enough information to comprise an experience report, please try to add more to this.
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

body weight & gender: male, 185 lbs
dose taken: 110mg
route of administration: Insufflated (snorted)
Setting: home
duration of main effects: 30 mins

main effects: Moderate dissociation, considerable euphoria and relaxation, mild dissociative hallucinations, mild body load, mild mobility impairment.

side effects: snorting caused considerable burn and blockage for a few days afterwards, even though nasal spray was used. headache afterwards.

rating of the experience: 6/10
addictive qualities / abuse potential: Greater abuse potential than ketamine because the duration is shorter
any other valuable information: dangers involved will be similar to those relating to ketamine

00:00 100mg insufflated. The burn is quite painful, but goes away after 40-60 seconds.

00:05 The comeup is starting. There is incredibly strong analgesia - my lips feel very very numb. The classic dissociative buzz is there.

00:10 fully come up now I think, the dissociative high is similar to ketamine but with much less dissociation and a bit more euphoria.

00:30 feel like i'm starting to come down now.. very short lived experience, couldn't really get 'into' it, and there wasn't much to get into either.

00:50 99% baseline now

Perhaps the dose was low, but it didn't feel like a deep experience. It was sort of like a casual high. Perhaps at high doses it can be nice and trippy. For a social environment or nightclub/rave I suspect this would be good though, it doesn't stop you moving so much and the euphoria is nice.


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Old 09-10-2012, 09:29
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

TBH, 100mg is not a high dose. A friend tried 180mg and things got much more confusing. With ketamine like drugs, the cumulative nature of effects cannot be discounted.

I had wondered if those who take K to go clubbing or dancing would like this as they have no interest in getting 'holed' (which can be seen as a negative side effect), but I am not at all sure they would.
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

Did he insufflate 180mg ? It begin to be a large amount to be absorbed in the nose. Meaby this substance should be taken orally ?

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Old 10-10-2012, 02:37
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

It is much kinder on the nose than ketamine, however sniffing may not be the most comfortable or efficient ROA. Ketamine changes somewhat when taken orally-- whether N-EK does too is hard to say. Anal administration seems quite effective, for those who don't object to that ROA.
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

Recently had an experience with this compound and i must say i was quite impressed, i much prefer it to mxe as i find mxe tends to linger far too long for my liking when hole doses are attempted. About 12 hours too long.

Height - 6 ft 1
Weight -16 stone
Total amount of NEK - 500mg

After testing a small sublingual amount for an alergy test i proceeded to weigh the following amounts.

50mg insufflated - "ooh yep theres the classic toothpasty tcp taste and ketamine headspace developing. Good times. Suppressing the sneeze response is difficult as expected.. On par with ketamine id say for nose tingle factor. "

120mg insufflated - feelings much resembling ketamine increasing maybe 1.5x as much as before... Doesnt seem to scale linearly or maybe tolerance is increased.. Maybe as potent or possibly slightly less than ketamine in that sense. One thing that is lacking is the dissociated frame dragging / warping. Soind does not sound very distorted at this dose either, i think this would be a shame for people who enjoy this (psychedelic) aspect of ketamine, however for those who were reluctant to try in fear of this may now be more at ease to give it a go.

The rest of the sample was used in two doses in the same evening one ~60 mg and one ~200mg both achieved similar effects as previously mentioned in tests one and two. Neither times were my personal satisfactory dissociated effects achieved, still however i was quite impressed with the material and found it very agreeable.

Conclusion:
All in all a very adequate cyclohexamine, much more pleasant than mxe and tiletamine (which makes the rounds here usually. Real ketamine is hard to come by) so probably my favourite next to ketamine. If you dislike the stronge dissociative effects of K then this might be the one for you. I however will be attempting a 500mg dose and seeing where that lands me next time. I also hope the price comes down soon hopefully to something like 20/g as i should imagine this will help people off the imitation nasties floating around the local markets.

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Good report and conclusions.
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

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It is much kinder on the nose than ketamine, however sniffing may not be the most comfortable or efficient ROA. Ketamine changes somewhat when taken orally-- whether N-EK does too is hard to say. Anal administration seems quite effective, for those who don't object to that ROA.
You're kidding! ketamine is like the finest nasal silk compared to this. It's like snorting salt mixed with sand mixed with glass.
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

^ I would agree with that, AFOAF told me it hurt like hell and brought tears to his eyes, and made his nose bleed for many days.

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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

Hmm maybe it was a touch sharper but definitely not the worst thing ive smelled. Definitely not like glass. Infact ketamine thats been crystalised in the microwave is probably on par with this stuff. The shape of the crystals have allot to do with this i think
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

A friend just got an used a gram of this substance. Here is what he wants you guys to know:

24 year old male, 150lb, wide range of past substance use/abuse including decent ketamine and mxe use. Introduced to ketamine in the club setting and found it expensive and lame. Switching RoA to IM and changing setting from a club to a cozy bed with light music changed his mind completely. Fell in love with k-hole and would periodically buy 3.5gs of ketamine and use it all in a few days. Tolerance grew rapidly and by the end of a binge would take 2x200mg IM shots (400 total!) to achieve desired effects. Tolerance goes away slowly if at all. Got 3gs of MXE while it was legal (it is still legal in my country in fact) and found it interesting but inferior to K, as he only really liked the k-hole and the after effects of mxe were way worse than k. He found oral RoA to be best with MXE.

Havent done any k/mxe in almost 3 months but likely still have some lifetime tolerance built up. Received 1gram of n-ethyl-ketamine (looks like its actually more accurately n-ethyl-NORketamine, but that's another discussion) in the mail from a trusted vendor. After reading horror stories about snorting the stuff, and having never enjoyed snorting K either, he mixed the 1gram with 10ml of sterile water in a glass injection ampule (he has access to lots of medical equipment).

Tiny allergy test snorted but probably not enough to do ANYTHING so may have been pointless. 1ml (100mg) IM into thigh shortly thereafter. Lay down in bed with music on and lights low. Effects came on in 4-5mins felt kinda K'ish but not as strong. Another 100mg is IMed maybe 15mins later as effects seem to have peaked and are not at the level he was hoping. The second dose helped a lot and he felt pleasantly high but not nearly as dissociated as 200mg of K would make him with this little tolerance.

Over next few days he learned to "force" the n-e-k hole. 250mg IM (2.5ml IM was not great feeling in my muscle but only did it twice due to lack of material), eye covering, trippy music in headphones. Despite what other people have reported he definitely entered a "hole" state of some sort. Floating feeling, decent visuals, lots of trippy thinking, lots of perspective change like as if i was in a flying camera zooming around changing viewing angles on something.... He finds it hard to describe the effects but has this same problem with K/mxe. Enjoyable but not quite as much so as ketamine.

He did not have any noticeable respiratory depression! His girlfriend was instructed to watch him very closely, specifically his breathing and she claims there was no change whatsoever. This was NOT a scientific test and he didnt want to rig himself up with pulse/breathing monitors but his girlfriend is a nurse and knows how to watch breathing.

All in all he enjoyed the substance but wishes it were cheaper. Possibly ketamine is more enjoyable as it seems more... psychedelic (the whole nor-ketamine thing probably explains this) but n-e-k was still a positive experience for sure. If the price comes down he plans to buy more.

He is unsure if his large doses are reflective of the substances potency or of his own massive tolerance. If you dont have tolerance, DO NOT START THIS HIGH.

He did not notice an especially euphoric vibe to this substance, something others have claimed to feel. He did feel good on it, but he finds that K itself is just as euphoric, if not more.

Duration was the same as K, maybe slightly less but that could be a tolerance thing.

Way better than MXE IMO and almost on par with K.

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Old 18-10-2012, 05:51
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

I think that the dosage may be somewhat higher than with K but the duration similar, but it is bette top be cautious. Apparently sniffing it is uncomfortable.
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

If duration is low and insufflation painful then why not just swallow it?
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

It appears to require massive doses to be orally active but I have not tested it myself. Ketamine is unpleasant swallowed due to the conversion to norketamine but people think this compound is an analog of norkeyamine anyway so who know... IM seems like the way to go...

Odd how mxe was so effective orally, probably someone can explain this but not me!
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If duration is low and insufflation painful then why not just swallow it?
Ingestion and insufflation have different effect, people who insufflate seek fast onset and stronger effect requiring lower dosage (more economical).

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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

drugs orally ingested have to go through the liver before they get a chance to reach the brain. some drugs get broken down in the liver, this is called first-pass metabolism. this is the reason a good part of orally ingested ketamine becomes immediately metabolized to norketamine, which has much less desireable effects, as Xanahalf has already mentioned. it is very likely the same is true for ethylketamine.

btw., first-pass metabolism is also the reason oral DMT is not active, for example. other drugs (so-called pro-drugs) are not active on themselves, but they rely on first-pass metabolism to be turned in the true active principle. e.g. tramadol has only very little opioid activity; responsible for its opioid action is its metabolite o-desmethyltramadol.
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

As ketamine and N-EK are so similar, it does seem very likely that orally ingested n-ethyl-ketamine becomes immediately metabolized to nor-n-ethyl-ketamine (or similar name). It is orally active, however.
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Do you have any information on this, like potency, duration and similarity of effect ?

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As ketamine and N-EK are so similar, it does seem very likely that orally ingested n-ethyl-ketamine becomes immediately metabolized to nor-n-ethyl-ketamine (or similar name).
most likely ethylketamine will undergo N-dealkylation in the liver as well, yielding norketamine (i.e. the same metabolite as regular ketamine).
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Re: N-ethylketamine Experiences

My fiend did try this once but he finds it hard to remember. As is seemed a comparatively wasteful, although not altogether ineffective ROA, he didn't repeat it. If it is indeed norketamine, the established advice for oral ketamine applies.

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