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Old 05-06-2006, 23:45
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Old 05-06-2006, 23:55
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The following is an exert from SWIFantasian's Journal.

Tramadol (AKA Ultram)
Clinical dosages - 25, 50, 100 mg
Synthetic opiate
For moderate to Severe pain
Onset - 1 hour
peak - 6 hours
Comedown - 3 hours
Total duration - 10 hours

There has been slight arguements whether Tramadol is a true opiate however due to it acting on the opioid receptors my own interpretation is that it is.

It's effects are the same as all opiates, dizziness, lightheadness, nausea, respiritory depression and of course Euphoria.

In comparison to other opiates it's effects are longer lasting than ones such as codeine and morphine but not as long as methodone. There are suitable dosages comparisons if once again you UTFSE.

a brief word on tramadol from SWIM: "an enjoyable but slightly too stimulating high for opiates,long lasting and not very intense, in SWIM's oppinion not one of his favourites but has it's rightful place"

Briefly on dosages(accounts in the first person from SWIM):
Doses are oral unless specified otherwise

50mg - Surprised that at the lowest dosage it was prescribed to me having such an effect, i feel a tingling throughout my body and a general relaxed feeling.(it should be noted that at this point SWIM has little or no tolerance to opiates)

100mg - The same as above however more pronounced the dizziness played a large factor here and made moving around a little more difficult. Only able to really watch television, goto the toilet and move small distances.

150mg - Euphoria and dizziness increased further however sedation usually associated with opiates not present. Much more difficult to move around, even getting to the toilet is difficult and leaving the bed is becoming harder. Urinary retention also present however still able to urinate. Noted that there was a physical withdrawal or hangover effect for 20 hours post use after the posative effects wore off.

200mg - Euphoria significant, bed ridden, require aid to reach the toilet however not much point as urinary retention and constapation is significant. Same effects as above but more intense.

250mg - no new effects than above, hangover slightly less pleasant causing several times of vomiting..

300mg - Still no new effects, conclusion that a ceiling effect is reached at 200mg no further experimentation above this dose will occur.

100mg Snorted - burning sensation throughout the nose, very small high less than that of a 50mg oral dosage. Not reccommended

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For both this and your codeine post.
nice report
I like swif compares different experiences at different doses...would be nice if she clarified whether tolerance was avoided between experiments.
Very good experimentation!
helpful comparisons added-thanks
Excellent information on dosages for someone with no tolerance inc details of what to expect.
Good reports. Thanks for sharing.
Well put..LMAO at the ENDING POST. :) I know plenty also.
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Old 06-06-2006, 13:05
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Swim has som experience with opiates, having taken a fair ammount of codiene and Heroin. It is worth noting that Swim often has breaks from opiates lasting a month or two. Swim was introduced to tramadol by a friend who dislocates limbs very easily. Swim had heard that they were related to opiates and so blagged a few from his friend. Swim took two (2x50mg)to start with and couldnt believe the effects. After an hour swim took another. Swim found the effects to be very close to those of heroin only a little more stimulating. This was not a problem for Swim and has found that he can, after building up a little tollerence, take 150mg (3 caps)at once followed by two more 50mg doses at hourly intervals. Swim has not yet taken more than 5x50mg caps in a sitting. Swim says that he likes the effect that the drug has on the noragrenergic and serotonergic systems, although is aware of the dangers of messing with the brain with SSRI's. Swim says that you should treat all substances with respect and they will respect you. Abuse and be abused.
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Old 06-06-2006, 16:17
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Swim has som experience with opiates, having taken a fair ammount of codiene and Heroin. It is worth noting that Swim often has breaks from opiates lasting a month or two. Swim was introduced to tramadol by a friend who dislocates limbs very easily. Swim had heard that they were related to opiates and so blagged a few from his friend. Swim took two (2x50mg)to start with and couldnt believe the effects. After an hour swim took another. Swim found the effects to be very close to those of heroin only a little more stimulating. This was not a problem for Swim and has found that he can, after building up a little tollerence, take 150mg (3 caps)at once followed by two more 50mg doses at hourly intervals. Swim has not yet taken more than 5x50mg caps in a sitting. Swim says that he likes the effect that the drug has on the noragrenergic and serotonergic systems, although is aware of the dangers of messing with the brain with SSRI's. Swim says that you should treat all substances with respect and they will respect you. Abuse and be abused.
I am most impressed that SWIY feels that 100mg or even 150mg of tramadol compare to that of heroin. Are the effects of tramadol really that intense for SWIY? When SWIY used 250mg did SWIY find a ceiling effect was reached at 200mg?
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Old 07-06-2006, 13:11
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Swim found that the effects of tramadol were closer to those of herion than of codiene...if that makes sense. Swim has heard other people also share this opinion and others do not...seems to be very individual. Swim has never taken more than 250mg but thinks that those effects were greater than those of 200mg. SWIY needed support to get to the toilet and was bed ridden at 200mg. This is interesting. Does SWIY have opiate tollerence or would he say that these effects are of a different kind altogether?

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Old 07-06-2006, 18:15
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Refer to SWIFantasian's first post in here is explains most of his experiences with Tramadol quite well. It is difficult to say whether he had opiate tolerance. I'd say he did at later stages, at these later stages there isnt much in his journal about it except that linked with addiction. SWIFantasian remembers later in his drug use that 200mg tramadol didnt even have any effect.
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Here's SWIM's latest tramadol experience...
lab rat ingested 250 mg of tramadol over the course of an hour, spacing out 100 mg and 150 mg doses. a certain sense of opiate warmness began kicking in around an hour and a half from ingestion of the first 100 mg, along with an odd (but barely perceptible) sense of derealization akin to dxm. somatic effects are much more pronounced than with conventional opiates, the lab rat's body feels heavier than normal, but when typing, the rat reported that his arms felt like they were suspended by balloons. not many changes in cognition, but the lab rat found it easier than normal to come up with things to write, and conversation and reading came easily as well. there was a sense of knowing exactly what to say when engaged in conversation. however, on the negative side the lab rat reported nausea and a feeling of fullness lasting the duration of the experience, which was made worse by cigarettes. about three hours after the first ingestion, the rat also felt tired, but not so much that he had to fall asleep. a mild euphoria was present but nowhere near that of any opiate, even codeine.

overall the experience was somewhat fun, but the lab rat is uneager to go for 250 mg again due to the nausea.
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Old 12-06-2006, 08:06
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SWIM was given some tramadol pills by a friend who was in pain. In the quantity he took it (100 mg), tramadol gave a very mild opiod-type feeling-- calm and relaxed but no real euphoria. He wouldn't consider it 'recreational' as such.

SWIM's friend, who has a neck injury, complains that it's not effective in combating his neck pain and not at all comparable to the morphine he was given in hospital. SWIM gave him some kratom capsules, which he found more effective.

Tramadol is only classed as a pain killer for mild to moderate pain so I wouldn't expect too much.

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ultram is complete junk its therapeutic benefits are exagerrated and its euphoric benefits nonexistent. If you think you're getting high on this you're a candidate for placebo heaven

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That is YOUR experience, don't be so arrogant as to discount the experience of others.
while not very well written, my experience leads me to agree with this post
tolerance plays a great deal, don't assume everyones tolerance is as high as yours
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Old 29-06-2006, 22:25
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ultram is complete junk its therapeutic benefits are exagerrated and its euphoric benefits nonexistent. If you think you're getting high on this you're a candidate for placebo heaven
swim would disagree. he knows many lab rats (none of whom are opioid-tolerant) who enjoy tramadol more than many drugs, and they all seem to be pretty euphoric after administration. swim in bygone days used a fair amount of tramadol, and can safely say that it is effective at both killing pain or obtaining a small buzz.
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SWIM'S First Tramadol Experiences:

1. Ultram 100mg w/Norco 10/325

Wonderful. Seemed to have a potentiation effect. Effects of Norco felt stronger and longer. Only negatives involved a bit of a numbing sensation and mild hypomania.

2. Ultracet 100/mg with Apap and 5 mg Flexeril *while on psych med Lamictal, which appears to interact with Tramadol's anticholingergic effects.

During this dose, SWIM was already in a considerable amount of pain before hand. SWIM was also spaced out. These were not drug side-effects, but effects from her monthly cycle.

Not a good experience. While Ultracet did turn off every other pain point in her body, it did not address nerve pain. Spacyness was increased by a factor of 5. Muscle rigidity was an issue. Had a driven, uncomfortable feeling. Not recommended.
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SWIM'S First Tramadol Experiences:

1. Ultram 100mg w/Norco 10/325

Wonderful. Seemed to have a potentiation effect. Effects of Norco felt stronger and longer. Only negatives involved a bit of a numbing sensation and mild hypomania.

2. Ultracet 100/mg with Apap and 5 mg Flexeril *while on psych med Lamictal, which appears to interact with Tramadol's anticholingergic effects.

During this dose, SWIM was already in a considerable amount of pain before hand. SWIM was also spaced out. These were not drug side-effects, but effects from her monthly cycle.

Not a good experience. While Ultracet did turn off every other pain point in her body, it did not address nerve pain. Spacyness was increased by a factor of 5. Muscle rigidity was an issue. Had a driven, uncomfortable feeling. Not recommended.
interesting, swim never found that tramadol potentiated other opiates much, but maybe thats just something specific to him. tramadol has anticholinergic effects too? swim thought it was just opioid and 5-HT effects. the 5-HT would account for the rigid/stimulated feeling that swiy probably felt.
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Old 30-06-2006, 19:34
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interesting, swim never found that tramadol potentiated other opiates much, but maybe thats just something specific to him. tramadol has anticholinergic effects too? swim thought it was just opioid and 5-HT effects. the 5-HT would account for the rigid/stimulated feeling that swiy probably felt.
It commonly has the opposite effects of potentiation since it binds more readily than alot of substances hence it's use in withdrawal. However Im guessing from the experience above this might not always be the case.

In response to the statement by BUZZFACTOR i also have to strongly disagree, many people have gained posative recreational effects from this drug and even SWIFantasian himself has experienced its pleasures. True it cannot be compared to the euphoria of something like morphine but then it isnt suppose to be so intense.
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Old 02-07-2006, 01:14
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SevenLakes: Yes, strange but true, it has anticholinergic effects according to SWIM's doctor, *but* SWIM needs to clarify this to a finer point:

One generally hears Tramadol recommended due to *lack* of anticholinergic effects. What this really means is that the effects were mild in healthy control groups.

As with all meds, these things can change when one has drug interactions. SWIM was/is taking several other meds, one of which increases anticholinergic effects when it interacts with Tramadol.

So, grain of salt SWIM is not a doctor. Everyone's mileage will vary!
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:36
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SWIM has done Tramadol a couple handfuls of times.
Most of the time he takes 2 50mg pills. Usually is pretty subtle, but notices he is very chatty, somewhat euphoric, and completely rid of anxiety for about 5 hours or so. Usually after, SWIM has overwhelming fatigue, which will DEFINATELY win the battle and make SWIM pass out. Everytime except for one time. WIth or without smoking pot, trying energy drinks, etc. Tramadol makes SWIM pass RIGHT out like a light, unlike any other opiate (he make get some sedation with hydro's and whatnot, but nothing he can't overcome). Very nice high for SWIM, though.
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Interesting, SWIM wonders why this drug has such a variety effects for different people. Seems much wider of an effect spectrum than other drugs..
SWIM has very pronounced, intense and different effects from most drugs than others taking the same amount (most drugs he's taken, and he's taken a lot), though.
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Swim has taken it first time and felt some sedation and relaxt feeling, slight optical change and a warm enthusiasm.

But the effects differ in swim, tending to become more sedative than anything else the longer the drug is apllied and not doing a very good job at killing swims pain, although there were times when swim had stimulating effects because of Tramadols serotonergic action and I think it elevates noradrenaline, too?
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I take the stuff because I have a bad back. It makes my neuropathy and arthritis a little less painful. If I take more than 1 in 4 hours (50 mg) I have puked. They don't get you high at all.
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People should really try and avoid making such generalisations, they may not get YOU high but as the other posts in this thread show some people can. Not sure about the reliability of this information as its off a blog but

"Clinical trials seem to indicate that a lot of people can't "get off" on tramadol. However, there is a small percentage of people that can get something out of tramadol. Off the top of my head, it's about 7% of the subjects in the clinical trial."

So if you're one of the lucky ones enjoy it.
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Swim's little monkey has quite a sore back from hardcore windsurfing the other day. The monkey was just given 100mg of Tramadol to try and ease the pain with more in reserve if necessary. The monkey will provide a trip report later today.

(Report will be added later)
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SWIM Used it a few times. first 2 times were fine, any pain he hade was diminished. he took 1 50mg tablet each time. he read that it is not good to take with paxil (im on 26mg a day) but didnt notice any bad interactions, that is until friday night. His neck was hurting so i popped a 50mg and headed out to blaze up. Smoked a halfth 8th blunt and a few bong rips. Thank god he wasnt drivin home thanks to his gf. As soon as they left about at about 11 he started feeling really drunk even though no alcohol was consumed. When he finally got back home he stumbled inside to get some water but before he could he passed the fuck out while reaching for the glass. Busted the hell out of his head on the hardwood floor and banged up his knee somehow. Nothing really hurt though but it was scary as hell. He will never take tramadol again as he knows that it was the tramadol that caused this. for the rest of the night his heart beat was very irregular, either very slow or every fast. Weird stuff. Live and learn. Dont combine ssri with ANY amount of tramadol.
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Ok, trip report is in.

Swim had an interesting time with Tramadol today, and he would like to share his observations.

Swim has a container of Ultram 50mg Tramadol pills. These were the substance of ingestion. They are only a few weeks away from expiry though, so swim thought he might as well use them.

T + 00:00 - It is 11:00AM. Swim ingests two 50mg Ultram pills. Feels slight buzz very shorty after ingestion. Swim isn't sure if it is the placebo effect or if the opiod receptors are already acting up.

T + 00:30
- Swim is feeling some effects. He is a bit anxious and jittery. It seems as though the Ultram is calming his mind, and he becomes more contemplative. Bit of euphria setting in, but barely noticeable.

T + 01:00 - Swim is getting a distinctive "stoned" feeling. He is listening to music and it seems to be sounding better. Velvet Underground - Heroin is very cool, as well as some Marusha (rave) songs. He also contemplates upping the dose as he is feeling rather euphoric now but wants more of an intense feeling.


T + 01:10 - Used bathroom, swim found it a little hard to urinate at first but once it started to flow it was ok. Swim feels quite light and bouncy, similar to how your limbs feel on MDMA but not as pronounced. Swim could imagine dancing at a rave on this drug. Swim takes another 50mg of Ultram. Total amount ingested is 150mg now.

T + 02:00
- Swim is feeling the third Ultram kick in now. This one is more pronounced and not as gradual as the setting in of the first ones seemed. Swim notices that his shoulder and back are a bit sore, but this can be explained by the intense windsurfing the day before. In any case his joints feel rather good, so he isn't too worried.

T + 02:40 - Another level of high now. Slight nausea and craving for cigarettes accompanies. Swim feels more out of it now, less connected to the world and reality. Euphoric effects intensified. Swim feels great now, he decides to call up some old friends to chat. Conversations go well. Swim is quite social and talkative and is very amiable even to friends he had fights with in the recent past. Swim is quite mobile and doesn't stop walking while on the phone.

T + 03:30 - After talking with friends on the phone swim feels excellent. The high was at its peak when he started the phone conversations it seems. Swim is only feeling an intensified buzz now so he decides to take another 50mg Ultram. Total amount ingested is 200mg now.

T + 04:30 - Swim is very energetic! Though he is also quite calm and happy at the same time. Swim also doesn't seem to be impaired, his body is functioning as normal and his mind is very clear. In other words, swim just feels great! He wants to go and DO something! Not like other opiates swim has tried, the Ultram is making swim quite active indeed.

T + 05:15
- Swim starts to stretch out his legs and back so he can use the elliptical training. Swim hasn't been running or working out enough lately so he wants to be sure to be fully stretched out before he begins. Swim notices that while he is quite flexible in general, the stretching seems to be easier while on Tramadol. His legs don't burn as much and in general the stretching seems to go easily and without pain. Swim hops on the elliptical trainer, puts on some Banco De Gaia on the ipod, and starts moving.

T + 06:30 - Swim is drenched in sweat. He has just finished an hour on the elliptical trainer. He covered 8 and a half miles, burnt 1300 calories, and is quite exhausted. He is happy though as the "runner's high" has a synergistic effect with the ultram, so he is feeling very very stoned coming off the trainer. Swim said that the ultram didn't help him go any faster than he usually would on the trainer, but he could increase the intensity much more than usual. Usually when swim turns up the intensity of the resistance on the trainer his legs get tired and as a result his speed drops. With the ultram, however, when he increases resistance his legs don't slow down much, and he can't feel the added strain necessary to maintain the high speeds.

T + 06:45
- Swim has been laying in front of the fan with his back propped against the door for about 15 minutes now. He wants to collapse from exhaustion but feels that he will just pass out if he does that. He is feeling a bit cooler now thanks to the fan and bottle of water he drank but his stomach is aching a bit as he hasn't had anything to eat since an hour and a half before ingesting the ultram. Swim decides to take a nice shower. It feels quite refreshing when he gets in but swim gets anxious when he feels the "crash" coming on. Swim is about to go to sleep in the shower when gradually the feeling starts going away and swim is doing better.

T + 07:40 - Swim eats dinner. His appetite isn't fully there but he eats enough to quell the aching in his stomach. He is a bit more detached now and some euphoric effects are still there. The effects of the drug seem to be very gradually going away.

T + 08:00 - Swim calls up his friend Bajeda to write and post a trip report of his experience on drugs-forum. Swim is feeling a bit stoned like but not much more. He has been happy with his experience overall with Tramadol and would like to do it again sometime. He particularly wants to try smoking cannabis while under the influence of Ultram as judging from his first experience it seems like the two would produce enjoyable synergistic effects.


Swim feels that his first experience with Tramadol was enjoyable on the whole. He doesn't think it approaches the almost magical level that some people seem to experience with comparable amounts of Tramadol, but he thinks that if he had ingested the full amount at once instead of spacing it out the intensity of effects may have been different. Still, tramadol is an interesting opiate as it makes you feel sociable and active so you can find ways to have fun on it.

Swim still is coming down off of it and doesn't feel too bad. He may post a follow up on the "day after" effects tomorrow. He recommends Tramadol to people who like euphoric type drugs and are creative in finding ways to make trips fun. He thinks that people who enjoy smoking small quantities of opium and who find adderall fun would enjoy this substance.

Swim feels that 150mg would have been a good starting dose, rather than 100mg. Swim has experience with opiates but has never had an addiction and hasn't experimented with any for at least 6 months. Swim weights about 170 pounds.

Swim hopes that someone will find this report helpful.

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Nice Report: Thanks for sharing!
Very nice trip reports, it makes SWIM want to try it even more
Great report, no wonder swiy a MoD
Very informative, thanks for taking the time
good experience report. Nice timeline. Thanks for sharing.
great report, swim felt the same way when swim tried it
so detailed, I definitely want to try Tramadol now
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Swim just got Tramadol drops for a back pain and he was thinking about using the Tramadol to get a high, but after reading all these reports swim is confused. Looks like not everyone had a nice high similar to opiates from this substance.

Maybe he should start with 100mg and see what happens?
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Ultram sucks, Ultracet worse, however great for w/d probs

it WILL keep a body out of withdrawal a body takes enough. SWIM who was badly addicted to Lortab used to take about 8 of the 50's maybe? SWIM took 8 and no w/d. not sure what strength. minor bee buzz, but no fun. some docs consider this a "powerful" narcotic lol. SWIM has heard that the w/d from tramadol is pure hell on earth, but what w/d isn't? hope this helps. it IS a great med to have around if SWIY occasionally DOES go thru w/d as it will take away all symptoms as far as SWIM knows.

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