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Old 08-09-2012, 20:01
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Baking soda and meth

What if anything can baking soda do for a saliva test
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Re: Baking soda and meth

make your mouth white and get you charged with "tampering with evidence" or some other type of charge like that.

Where would you get such an idea?
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Re: Baking soda and meth

It's supposed too clear up a urine test and I heard you drink 2 tablespoons w 8 oz of water it's not supposed to be tasty I am wondering if it also clears up saliva tests as well
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Re: Baking soda and meth

Yeah, who ever told you that lied to you. Baking soda will not fool a drug test at all.

Only time will work for sure
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Old 19-10-2012, 13:26
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Re: Baking soda and meth

a friend just passed a drug test for their probation after using meth that same morning. They consumed two tablespoons of baking soda with two 8oz glasses of water and voided a specimen approx 3 hours later and tested clean. Because of this, she successfully completed her probation shortly after. Just FYI

I'm not saying this is a foolproof method, and I don't recommend people rely on it, I just know it worked for her.
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Old 19-10-2012, 17:21
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Re: Baking soda and meth

they passed because the meth had not yet metabolized into the urine. They were stupid lucky they didn't fuck that up and end up in jail. If your freedom is at stake, you shouldn't be missing around with rumors.

Please don't trust this to save you.

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A reasonable concern to raise. The baking soda may have had no effect whatsoever on the test result.
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Old 19-10-2012, 21:19
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Re: Baking soda and meth

Well how do you explain her use the day before and the day before that? she's a chronic user, I only said she had used that morning to indicate her most recent use. Also, swim was in jail once and someone rolled in with some shit and swim traded them commissary for it and snuck into the bathroom to indulge. This person then apparently snitched on swim because shortly after, SRT (Special Response Team) came into the pod and over to swim's bunk and escorted swim to medical where they demanded a urine sample. Despite swim's attempts to claim their inability to void while being observed, they waited until swim did which was 30 minutes later and swim tested positive for meth and was rolled to the hole for the remainder of their stay so it showed up almost immediately
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Old 19-10-2012, 21:23
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Re: Baking soda and meth

luck and shitty testing supplies.

Look, if you want to get a set of home test kits, run an experiment, and post the results (and I don't mean one, but a real experiment), by all means. But when it comes to someone's freedom, relying on rumors and hearsay is stupid. Trusting you can "beat the system" is a crap shoot. I don't want people to end up in jail because of the advice they got here, so I err on caution.

I think it would be a terrible idea to trust that you can beat out a drug test, especially when you have the option of holding off.

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Incredibly smart advice.
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Old 19-10-2012, 21:57
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Re: Baking soda and meth

False negatives happen all the time. Example: AFOAF got hurt at work. He smoked pot daily(including the day he got hurt). He was piss tested and it was sent to a lab. Results were negative.

An example of another guy who listened to his dumb ass friend: This guy did cocaine the night before a test. He had the opportunity to have someone clean piss for him(really cool boss!). He refused because he listened to a guy at the bar who told him if he put a drop of bleach in his sample and it would work. The guy said he does it all the time(sound familiar?). So after being offered clean pee he tries the bleach thing. A week or two later he was suspended due to cocaine in his urine AND tampering with the test. Dumb ass!

So lesson to be learned? Yes listen to Potter! She obviously know what she is talking about and I second it. Don't get drug testing advice from a tweaker when you have a huge resource here. As far as I know there is no effective way to fool a saliva test.

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More sound and sane advice.
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Old 19-10-2012, 22:00
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Re: Baking soda and meth

Potter is (again) 100% correct.

I used to have a best friend (let's call him John) who was putting more time in the big house if they did not pass a test. He claimed that he only did a little coke and a couple joints when he asked I and another friend (call him Fred) for help.

Because our friend Fred was also our boss, and was someone that knew us forever, he helped. Not only did he by John the shampoo for hair tests, but also bought him top of the freaking line drink that is supposed to give guaranteed favored results. John also looked ONLINE for any way to do a quick cleanse of the body before taking the two products. So John hears that if you drink a quart of vinegar a day before the test, you wouldn't even need to get cheat products to pass a drug test for anything. So, he drank the vinegar (followed by water all the time till he went to take the test), then had the top of the line cheat drink and washed his hair with the shampoo the morning before the test.

I don't know what type of test he had to do, but he failed, they found the cocaine, marijuana, and heroin (ooops) in his system. I figured the cocaine would possibly be out, so either he lied about the last time he used it, or ..........he lied the last time he used it.

Anyways, fast forward to the next week and he was writing Fred from his cell.

Seriously, there is A LOT of information on this site about how drug tests work, and how the drugs interact and leave the system.

Please do a lot of reading and good luck.
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Old 20-10-2012, 03:26
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Re: Baking soda and meth

wow, Really? who said I am debating you on this? i could swear i said "I'm not saying this is a foolproof method, and I don't recommend people rely on it, I just know it worked for her" and the reason why I said this was because you said, "Baking soda will not fool a drug test at all"but since i know first hand that it HAS, whether it be from luck or shitty testing supplies, she passed and she was dirty without a doubt and baking soda may or may not been the reason but it could have been. If you were dirty and someone told you to eat an orange an hour before your test and you'd test clean and you did that, and it came back clean, wouldn't YOU think that was the reason? In any event, i only expressed my opinion because i had direct experience with someone who used this method and passed, but i made it a point to add my little disclaimer at the end which again, stated "I'm not saying this is a foolproof method, and I don't recommend people rely on it, I just know it worked for her"

Just because you chose to ignore it doesn't mean i am debating you or insisting this will work for everyone, i specifically said that, so please, don't take what i said out of context. Read it again if you have to. I didn't mean to offend anyone. Thank you.

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Old 20-10-2012, 04:15
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Re: Baking soda and meth

^^^ Not only is it not fool proof it is just not sound advice. I mean if it were this easy don't you think more people would be doing it? You want a bunch of other advice that won't work? Golden seal root, niacin, one drop of Clorox bleach(has to be Clorox, lol) in a gallon of water the night before, and countless other myths I have heard about testing. DON"T fall for this trap!

Only way i know of to beat a pee test is plenty of water hours before the test. Must pee once before test too. Catch urine in mid-stream. Also this may result in a failed test because if you piss clear your sample may be rejected. A multivitamin and creatine should be used prior to for this reason. No need to "clear the toxins out" by drinking a shitload of water days prior to the test. It isn't only unnecessary but too much water can be dangerous and even kill you! Oh yeah there are certain additives you can use to dump in your pee too that do work.

Sorry for the above paragraph just thought I would add a little info in case someone reads this and is thinking of doing something stupid. As for a saliva test I have seen products on the market to beat them but have heard nothing but bad things about them. Same with shampoo for hair tests.

The problem with this is if someone reads this they may think " eh, fuck it! I can suck down some soda tomorrow and it may work." People under the influence don't normally think right. They may take this poor advice and be jailed or lose their job. No one here wants to see that I have to believe.

Here are some links to read if you don't already know about them:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=128474

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30443

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Nice parallel drawn to many other testing myths that have become treated as fact over time.
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Old 20-10-2012, 04:18
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Re: Baking soda and meth

it WASN'T advice!!

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Instead of whining the same point, you should apoligize for a misunderstanding with some dignity. Everyone here has made very clear why your post was critisized and they are quite correct in doing so. Relax and go on with things.
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Old 20-10-2012, 06:25
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Re: Baking soda and meth

Gettup, no one is insulting you but commenting on this suggestion, as like the others said, without doing so would still cause some to take it as advice regardless of your disclaimer. You have confidently claimed you know it worked for your friend; that might be enough for someone to consider it true.

Anyway, this is a classic example of a false cause-and-effect relationship. It is even a weak assumption since this would be an isolated case. It is no different than saying "X used gum to whiten his teeth, and later someone complemented X by claiming his teeth looked white, therefore the gum whitened his teeth".

The laws of science and chemistry don't bend for anyone; meaning this does not work and what you said about shitty testing kits is more reasonable (to even state luck as an option has no basis, considering "luck" does not exist, particularly in instances founded in scientific proof).

As well, just because your friend said she used baking soda and had a clean test is an assumption she is making, and you are relying on heresy as well as the misinformation of another. Actually, if you consider luck, it is lucky if this could actually happen, but there are 100's of alternative answers - perhaps a mistake on the part of the test giver, and all the way through from when the test was taken, tested, recorded, etc.
Not only is it not a fool proof method, but it isn't a method at all. This factually is not possible at all, for anyone. So it is luck that she used it to to get a clean test and it happened. There are also many cases where people have false positive tests (actually had a clean test but results come positive for whatever drug). In this example, there are lots of myths about what could have caused this to happen I.e. eating a tomato or something like that. Thus, someone would say, I had a tomato, which is speculated to cause false positives, and I had a false positive, therefore it was the tomatoes fault (I've used tomato simply for illustration purposes).

In summary, you do not know for sure anything about her drug test, her use, and anything else she might have done. Even this person might have just said it (she is a meth user, and that can impair judgement and reasoning). Just because I've had a friend tell me that he did this and such and such happened just makes it even more unreliable. You can't just take baking soda and cross your fingers it will work. That's almost like superstition; or using your birth year for numbers in a lottery ticket thinking it will improve your chances; and you win and trace it back to your last minute decision to use your birth year.

Events like any of these are how myths and gossip get started. If anyone seriously wanted to get a more reliable answer, they would perform a study, need many participants, have to hold all other factors constant... maybe there even has been a scientific study conducted but doubtful since the laws of chemistry do not change for people in random cases.

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Very rational and logical reply.
Neat summary of the controversial aspects of this discussion.
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Old 22-10-2012, 10:52
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Re: Baking soda and meth

Hey you guys

I apologize. It was me that was taking what you were telling me the wrong way. I perceived your friendly advisement as accusation and went on the defense because I wasn't trying to persuade you guys into thinking it was effective, all I was saying is that it was effective for her (but I do realize that it was most likely a false positive because I after reading your posts from a non-defensive standpoint, I can totally see where you're coming from.) I appreciate you educating me on the matter and truly just trying to be helpful and not accusation like I first thought. I apologize for not recognizing that. Please accept my apology
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Re: Baking soda and meth

It does work but only with meth.

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Don't say things you can't support. It is uite clear from the other posters in this thread why we don't reccomend actions like this. This is useless one-lner ads nothing to the discussion but harm.
Another useless one liner and bad advice
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Re: Baking soda and meth

^^^ What are your sources? How many people do you know that have done this? Really this is not a good thing to type on a public board unless you are sure. I want some proof!
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Re: Baking soda and meth

Making the urine more alkaline will change the rate of methamphetamine and amphetamine excretion in to the urine. This is true.

From Baselt's Disposition, 9th Edition:

Regarding Methamphetamine:

In acid urine, up to 76% is found as unchanged drug and 7% as amphetamine in 24 hours, whereas in alkaline urine the corresponding values are 2% and less than 1% (Beckett and Rowland, 1965).
During normal conditions, up to 43% of a dose is eliminated unchanged in the 24 hour urine, with about 4-7% as amphetamine.


Anyways, what does this have to do with saliva as the OP asked?
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Old 22-10-2012, 16:26
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Re: Baking soda and meth

Only one sure way to beat a drug test, and it is guarenteed to work every time, no matter what drug you use.

Time.

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Re: Baking soda and meth

So is that what baking soda does to the urine? changes the alkaline percentage?

(I realize the OP's question is about saliva, but I accidentally hi-jacked the thread which caused it to go off topic.) I apologize for that too, my bad.


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Making the urine more alkaline will change the rate of methamphetamine and amphetamine excretion in to the urine. This is true.

From Baselt's Disposition, 9th Edition:

Regarding Methamphetamine:

In acid urine, up to 76% is found as unchanged drug and 7% as amphetamine in 24 hours, whereas in alkaline urine the corresponding values are 2% and less than 1% (Beckett and Rowland, 1965).
During normal conditions, up to 43% of a dose is eliminated unchanged in the 24 hour urine, with about 4-7% as amphetamine.


Anyways, what does this have to do with saliva as the OP asked?
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Re: Baking soda and meth

my little monster is currently on probation and gets tested about once a month... she smokes meth (or 'self-medicates') everyday. so far she has had 2 tests and drank baking soda water each time, both tests came back slight negative(whatever that means)... her p.o. didnt look very happy but she also didnt violate her either.
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Re: Baking soda and meth

I have done extensive study on drug tests, beating them, cheating them, passing them, etc. For years I spoke out against what I considered a dangerous myth because I knew that making the system alkaline would INCREASE the amount of time amphetimenes stay in the body, while acidifying would increase the rate of elimination. I used to ingest baking soda in the old crank days to keep the high a bit longer. Well It turns out I was wrong.

As pointed out here and other places on the web, the ingestion of a large amount of soda can actually 'hold back' the meth from being eliminated from the body (at least at a level that is above testing thresholds). It must be pointed out that this is EXTREMELY RISKY, it may work, it may not, is it worth your job or freedom?

One method that has been shown to mask meth in urine is zinc. Taking zinc sulfate before a test can often mask the presence of the drug, This is not a myth, it is the result of a major government study: Here's an abstract and a link:

Zinc reduces the detection of cocaine, methamphetamine, and THC by ELISA urine testing.
Venkatratnam A, Lents NH.

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Abstract
Federal workplace drug testing was initiated during the late 1980s. Since then, numerous methods have been employed to subvert these drug tests, adulteration of urine samples being the most common. A wide variety of adulterants has been reported to date along with suitable methods of their detection. Recently, websites have claimed that zinc sulfate can be an effective adulterant to bypass drug testing. Herein, these claims are investigated using standard drug detection kits and urine samples adulterated with zinc. Drug-free urine samples were fortified with different amounts methamphetamines and benzoylecgonine, to which zinc sulfate was added to study its effect. Urine samples from acute marijuana smokers were also obtained in order to study the effects of zinc supplements on THC drug testing. All urine drug testing was performed using ELISA detection kits manufactured by Immunalysis. Both zinc sulfate and zinc supplements are effective in interfering with the detection of all three drugs by Immunalysis drug detection kits. Also, no suitable method could be established to detect zinc in urine samples. Zinc can be an effective adulterant in urine for some illicit drugs that are commonly screened under routine drug testing.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21740689

I'm surprised I haven't heard more about this on here. I will have to give it a try by buying a test kit and taking the zinc (oh darn I suppose that means I'll have to get some meth too

Tailz Up!!

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Re: Baking soda and meth IMPORTANT UPDATE

I can now report that zinc gluconate DOES NOT WORK TO PASS A UA and baking soda NO LONGER WORKS to pass a ua instacup, at least the new ones that the WA state DOC is using.

I recently tried both, loaded up on soda (3Tbl in 10 oz h20) after ingesting about 1000 mg zinc gluconate tabs over 12 hrs. about 30 min later I was curled in a fetal position on my bathroom floor with the most intense abdominal pain I'd ever had for 3 1/2 hrs. I was nearly praying for death.

After the watery diareah began I finally could move again. I missed my UA, my PO made me get a Dr's note ($700 US from the ER) and I failed the UA the next day and just got out of jail yesterday after serving 25 days. I was told by a friend that had often used baking soda and beat them every time, that these new ones aren't fooled by either.

And guess where I ran into that friend at. That's right he was my cellmate. in for failing a UA. and WA DOC also no longer sends in lab samples for confirmation. They don't have to they are modern gestapo.

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I have done extensive study on drug tests, beating them, cheating them, passing them, etc. For years I spoke out against what I considered a dangerous myth because I knew that making the system alkaline would INCREASE the amount of time amphetimenes stay in the body, while acidifying would increase the rate of elimination. I used to ingest baking soda in the old crank days to keep the high a bit longer. Well It turns out I was wrong.

As pointed out here and other places on the web, the ingestion of a large amount of soda can actually 'hold back' the meth from being eliminated from the body (at least at a level that is above testing thresholds). It must be pointed out that this is EXTREMELY RISKY, it may work, it may not, is it worth your job or freedom?

One method that has been shown to mask meth in urine is zinc. Taking zinc sulfate before a test can often mask the presence of the drug, This is not a myth, it is the result of a major government study: Here's an abstract and a link:

Zinc reduces the detection of cocaine, methamphetamine, and THC by ELISA urine testing.
Venkatratnam A, Lents NH.

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Department of Sciences, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, The City University of New York, USA.
Abstract
Federal workplace drug testing was initiated during the late 1980s. Since then, numerous methods have been employed to subvert these drug tests, adulteration of urine samples being the most common. A wide variety of adulterants has been reported to date along with suitable methods of their detection. Recently, websites have claimed that zinc sulfate can be an effective adulterant to bypass drug testing. Herein, these claims are investigated using standard drug detection kits and urine samples adulterated with zinc. Drug-free urine samples were fortified with different amounts methamphetamines and benzoylecgonine, to which zinc sulfate was added to study its effect. Urine samples from acute marijuana smokers were also obtained in order to study the effects of zinc supplements on THC drug testing. All urine drug testing was performed using ELISA detection kits manufactured by Immunalysis. Both zinc sulfate and zinc supplements are effective in interfering with the detection of all three drugs by Immunalysis drug detection kits. Also, no suitable method could be established to detect zinc in urine samples. Zinc can be an effective adulterant in urine for some illicit drugs that are commonly screened under routine drug testing.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21740689

I'm surprised I haven't heard more about this on here. I will have to give it a try by buying a test kit and taking the zinc (oh darn I suppose that means I'll have to get some meth too

Tailz Up!!

Equitube


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Re: Baking soda and meth

Sorry to hear about that Equitube. I can say with 100% certainty that baking soda could not even pass a 12 panel qcup test as i failed twice a couple weeks ago. The only thing it was successful in was making my stomach feel like it was being repeatedly punched and giving me worse diarrhea than heroin withdrawal the first time and making me vomit the second time and of course shitting straight water out. From researching it I knew heading in what the affects would be but that certainly didn't make me feel any better as I was sitting there on two seperate occasions feeling miserable.

Both times AMP and MAP lit up like Christmas trees with seconds of me pissing in the cup. I understand vomiting after an hour after taking it could have played a part but the first test everything was followed to a T and there were no issues but still failed. I only smoked .2 or so the day before the first test and that was my first time using meth in 2 weeks so I find it hard to believe people smoke up to and even the day of and then pass a lab EMIT test when a very small amount 30hrs before could not.even pass an instant test (they check them at the place I take mine and if positive for anything they send them off for gc/ms scrutiny)

Fortunately I had never failed a UA up to that point so I wasnt reprimanded too harshly.

Edit: that's fucked up they don't send out for confirmation considering meth is the most common drug to false positive for. You would think somebody would challenge that in court.

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Re: Baking soda and meth

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Edit: that's fucked up they don't send out for confirmation considering meth is the most common drug to false positive for. You would think somebody would challenge that in court.
The DOC (dept of corrections) here has ever increasing police powers. People under their supervision no longer even have the right to an attorney and hearings are conducted by a DOC employee instead of a judge. They storm through the poorer neighborhoods like gestapo with full weapons and body armor.

As soon as I am off probation I am going to file whatever I can (federal civil rights, harrassment, due process etc.) Any one with legal knowledge out there? I'd appreciate any advice.

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