dirty pills: "trip" report

[ramjet]

SWIM went to a top gig with some really inspired music the other night. It was in a small, but cosy, psychedelic room full of friendly people who were just there to enjoy some music, find some new friends and have a good party. The only thing that slightly ruined it for SWIM were these shark pills he had. In case anyone is around in the West Midlands and gets any sharks I would probably recommend against taking them. I say "probably" because they weren't duds: they were fairly strong, but SWIM is fairly sure they didn't contain much MDMA. The only reason SWIM took them in the first place was that he saw the dealer take some the night before. Report as follows -

Dose: 2 1/2 pills (unknown substances). One at 8.30pm, one at 11.00pm and half at 12.00am

other substances: steady drinking from 12.30pm - about 3 pints, 2 double JD and cokes and a coctail.

setting: small, prviate venue, mixture of breakbeat, eletro old-school funk, disco and hip-hop, good vibe (Bill Brewster and Soul Mechanik), several friends around as well as friendly strangers.

Report: NB SWIM’s timings may be inaccurate given that SWIM wasn’t exactly sober at the time. SWIM came up fairly shortly after taking the pills at about 8.30pm. The buzz was quite nice, not side splitting euphoria, but feeling elated, energetic and like he wanted to dance. By 11:00 we were in the club and I had necked my next pill. SWIM was feeling slightly strange, definitely buzzing, but alos slightly uncomfortable and I had developed a horrible feeling in his stomach, pressure in my head and knotty, dry throat. SWIM couldn’t really describe it other than that his body felt like it had been contaiminated by dodgy chemicals. The feeling reminded him very much of medium-high levels of BZP (I’m sure there was at least SOME MDMA, but there could well have been BZP in there to, as well as . . . well who knows, read on).

Still, the high and the energy were there so he made the most of it and danced for several hours, with nice thoughtful friends supplying him with water. The other strange thing was that despite really needing drink, SWIM felt it extremely hard to drink anything. He had to force it down. The other pill kicked in about 12:00 and fuelled SWIM’s dancing spirit. SWIM necked the other half at 12:00am. He stopped for a break at about 1:45am and after then dancing was intimitent until he finally set off home at around 5:00am with a good friend who was staying with him, and the DJs girlfriend, who had had an argument with her bloke and wante somewhere to crash.

By 3:00am it was becoming quite difficult to maintain the momentum and SWIM was feeling pretty uncomfortable. SWIM’s muscles were aching, he was sweating a bit (nothing abnormal) and still had that feeling in the back of his throat and stomach. SWIM was retaining a .lot of water, because he desperately wanted to pee, but couldn’t for a while. Doesn’t seem so strange yet right? Well, SWIM went to the toilet to have a piss at one point and he noticed the distinct presence of hallucinogens. He should have noticed it earlier: his phone was a colourful, smudged, glowing pastel like colour. The urinal and the wall were definitely breathing (this was around 3:00am, I think).

The real fun started when I got home. From 5:30am SWIM and his friend were in fits of histerics. By 6:00am, following the smoking of a spliff, he had some really quite powerful hallucinations. They were unlike the halluinations he was used to with mushrooms: much more wavey. His wall is full of spectaculr photography and trippy modern art. He has this picture of a man jumping a large puddle, but the picture captures him mid-jump. It is a 1930s setting with 1930s cars and buildings in the background. The picture itself was moving around in waves like crazy: a bit like a flag blowing in the wind (in fact everything was doing this). The randrops in the puddle were moving about, the cars were moving along the road, the whole picture was coming out of its frame like a 3D moive, the trees were blowing in the wind and the lampost was moving backwards and forwards like it was made of plasticine. SWIM’s other posters were just as strange: a lonely man standing in a square was walking towards me and his shadow moving accordingly and the moon in another picture was going full cylce as the sky twinkled and glowed like the aurora borealis.

SWIM watched this crazy shit and philophised with friend about whether the guy in the picture was going to make it or not, before finally going to bed. SWIM felt like utter shit. Certainly with clean MDMA his comedowns are usually fairly gentle, even pleasurable, and greatly assisted by the smoking of weed. Took him a couple of days to fully recover.

[a-SalviaLover]

Your report sounds a lot like a report on the erowid with mCPP (anpother piperazine), which I read recently. It'd called 'Not On Thid Planet'. The guy felt rolly effects with a psychedelic tinge to them. After that he got nausea and aches. Then he smoked some MJ and he experienced powerful visuals, different from those of classic psychedelics. Some of them sounded very delirious to me.

[ramjet]

"Some of them sounded very delirious to me."

It's funny you should say that, because I forgot to mention another major element to SWIM's "trip" was a degree of deliriousness: his perception of his surroundings was altered so that he kept on thinking people were sitting next to him, when they weren't; he was convinced certain people/objects were around him only to find that they were'nt on closer inspection and occasionally thought he was in certain places only to realise after concentrating that he was mistaken. It was mainly his peripheral vision that was distorted in this way. It was a bit unsettling for him. If he hadn't been experienced in pscyhedelics these pills would have scared the hell out of him.

SWIM had a good night, and in a way enjoyed the pills, but is angry that he didn't get MDMA. He would like to know that he was getting a decent dose of MDMA when he buys pills, but he has had a lot of really mild pills (where you need to take at least 3 to feel anything at all) and pills containing other chemicals recently. He recently had one conatining what was probably either ket or DXM. It pisses him off. It is actually rare to find a decent MDMA pill nowadays, and that makes SWIM very sad. He hasn't had any proper MDMA for ages, and this isn't out of choice.

Sounds like it could have contained mCPP.

[dnb warrior]

this is interesting because someone (who isn't me) currently has in his possession some white shark pills purchased in leeds which he was planning to take tomorrow night...i dunno whether these would be the same as the west mids sharks but im guessing theres a good chance they are.

swim has had the same pills a couple of times in the relatively recent past and although they were not the best he found they were decent...didn't notice any deleriousness or any of the slightly dodgy BZP stomach feeling, he maybe saw very mild hallucinations and felt slightly more tired than usual (possibly) but generally no negatives other than the usual side effects of MDMA (though of course it is hard for swim to recall exactly what these pills were like)

im wondering if these are the same pills SWIY has had... maybe not... SWIM did have a great experience with the sharks in the past but it is possible he thinks they were good because he has never had pills with pure MDMA... a sad thought but then again swim hopes its true because if so he is in for a real treat when he finally does get some decent MDMA!

[ramjet]

They could well be. I guess chemicals effect different people in different ways, SWIM had been drinking since about midday, and had been out the previous two nights, which may have contributed to the feeling of discomfort.

Pure MDMA is lovely. Really clean, mellow and intense euphoria.

[a-SalviaLover]

Especially hallucinogens, because they act on parts of the brain that are formed thorugh the life cycle and are unique in any person. Therefore there couldn't be completely identical effects of substances acting on serotonin in different people. Everyone passes thorugh the experience in a different way.

Here's a link to the report: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=44075

Judging from what I understand by investigating this substance (there are too few reports of its effects on the net) mCPP has rolly effects in most people when taken alone and when combined with cannabis it tends to prduce a very powerful experience and deliriousness. Otherwise nausea is noticed.

There is also a mCPP thread on the piperazines forum, in which one user describes a constant urge to piss, although he couldn't do it: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13198 .

This doesn't sound strange to SWIM. It has happened to him on certain psychedelics (large doses of mushrooms or large doses of 5-MeO-DIPT). On a large dose of these substances he usually doesn't get much visuals (in contrast to LSD and DOC) and the thoughts and emotions are more important for him. He feels the situation completely under his control although realising things in a strange way. When he gets high, however, he stops feeling on this planet. He doesn't seem to understand what's happening around him and he feels absolutely out of control. He experiences powerful visuals, often indistinguishable from reality. And his thought process is very altered (he becomes aware of certain thought operations that normally happen automatically). Nausea disappears completely. He enjoys this state of his mind very much if he is in the appropriate surrounding and there he has no engagements to worry him. He has had nausea from psychedelics many times and he has always faced the dillema whether to enjoy the effects in the way they are or to treat his nausea, but produce a very powerful experience. He usually shooses the second one.

Deliriousness is highly uncommon even in larger doses with MDMA. Weed seems to make the roll more psychedelic, but not delirous in any way. (SWIM had seen patterns on the combo but not anything else). Large doses of MDA, however, seem to have delirious effect. But in my opinion these pills are mCPP. And I am glad about your report, because SWIM was planning to buy large amounts of this substance on a fairly cheap price and he asked me to check whether it would be worth the effort. And there seems to be really not enough information about the effects of human use (although the net is full of tests with mice and monkeys).

[Nagognog2]

This depends on one's definition of 'delirious.' Overdoses of pure MDMA can cause a state wherein on starts repeating past events they just experiences again and again. One might call this confusional. Others might say delirious. It need further definition.

For now, though, my money is riding on this being a piperazine analogue as originally described.

[ramjet]

The only thing I can say with any certainty is that SWIM was 99% sure this stuff wasn't MDMA. SWIM has had MDMA crystals before and pills that he expects had a fairly high MDMA content and this felt nothing like it for the following reasons:

1. level of bodily discomfort was far higher than SWIM would normally expect: aching muscles, hot and cold flushes, breaking out in sweat, unable to get comfortable, slight headache, feeling like there was a knot in the back of his throat and uncomfortable feeling in his stomach. Although MDMA will often result in a bit of jaw clenching and maybe slight muscular discomfort the high is so predominant as to take your mind off it.

2. The high itself: no high levels of empathy, any kind of loved feeling or cerebral euphoria. Felt like an energy boost with an increase in sociability and an elevated mood.

3. Distinct hallucinations. These were less prominant in the club where it was dark, but in the light, and after a spliff, they were very prominant indeed - extremely wavey, surfaces breathing, eveything moving, colours much brighter and a bit like a water colour painting.

[Micklemouse]

One thing that can be said is that Sharks are the new Mitsi's. A ridiculously and worryingly high disparity in reports from all over the Green & Sceptred Isle...

A Certain Mouse & a few of his chums in the North swam with some Sharks over the Bank Holiday, and had nothing but good things to say - clean as a whistle, no adverse gut stuff, a little trippy in places, but not what one might call 'delirium', hard to comment on the comedown & 'Tuesday', as not just done on the one occasion, but again nothing too untoward even after a serious weekend's munting... Certainly not the strongest, or so I'm told, but certainly nice ...

However, a quick look on one of the active pill report sites brings up a lot af varied reports from around the country.

Caveat emptor seems to be the case with these little fishies...

[a-SalviaLover]

Well, there are porbably many batches of these pills, which is completely normal. The logo on the pill can never be a guarantee for the quality of the pills. In Bulgaria due to the small size of this market, it's a very rare thing to be able to get two pills with the same logos, but from different batches.

[dnb warrior]

Originally Posted by ramjet

The only thing I can say with any certainty is that SWIM was 99% sure this stuff wasn't MDMA. SWIM has had MDMA crystals before and pills that he expects had a fairly high MDMA content and this felt nothing like it for the following reasons:

1. level of bodily discomfort was far higher than SWIM would normally expect: aching muscles, hot and cold flushes, breaking out in sweat, unable to get comfortable, slight headache, feeling like there was a knot in the back of his throat and uncomfortable feeling in his stomach. Although MDMA will often result in a bit of jaw clenching and maybe slight muscular discomfort the high is so predominant as to take your mind off it.

2. The high itself: no high levels of empathy, any kind of loved feeling or cerebral euphoria. Felt like an energy boost with an increase in sociability and an elevated mood.

3. Distinct hallucinations. These were less prominant in the club where it was dark, but in the light, and after a spliff, they were very prominant indeed - extremely wavey, surfaces breathing, eveything moving, colours much brighter and a bit like a water colour painting.

these are definately not the same pills that swim took last night... he had a great night with all the usual mdma effects although he is not feeling so great right now.

[adzket]

one drinking alcohol on pills is not good as it makes you more dehidrated wich can in it's self lead to other unwanted effects like water retention dry mouth ect.... also it is rare nower days to get pure mdma in pills it is normaly an anolge like mda plus alot of other random chemicals like piperazines or dxm or k as these are cheeper and easyer to get than mdma especialy as now alot of pills on uk market are made hear and are no longer imported from places like holland hence why they are so cheep these days. also one should invest in a pill testing kit that way you can be more shure what your taking when swiy get a new load of pills in.

[Nagognog2]

This sort of thing is why we discourage peeps from asking our members to id pills. What might be great in Brixton could be hell-in-a-tablet over in Glasgow.

Caveat Emptor indeed!

[paradies]

Qwery for all...where I live, rarely ever does SWIM come across pure X anymore. Once it was plentiful, now hardly ever see it. There are a myriad of reasons why. Many times, junk with lots of caffiene, maybe just a tiny iddy bitty bit of meth, and lots of diphenehydramine are put together and sold as X.

Now, SWIM is looking for some real information here. She dalies in, IMO, far too many trials with "cheaters," though that is her business. Here's the question: Since, diphenehydramine actually has MAOI qualities, how little of, say real X, would you need in a tab with a bunch of diphenehydramine, to equate with an experience nearly like 150mgs. of pure X?

Around here anymore, it seems all SWIM gets are "cheaters." I believe the most common combo is caffiene and diphenehydramine with just a tad of something else to make use of the MAOI qualities of the benedryl.

The latest to come through these parts have the Safeway (grocery store) logo on them. SWIM says she feels the slightest hint of something trying to happen for an hour or so, and then stays awake for hours and hours and hours afterwards...definitely not the real deal...slightly intriging...but nothing in truth.

Thoughts?

[Tarsiercoma]

Ive had those pills before its disgusting and they suck, i cant stand dealers that poison there customers. They made me extremely sick and iw as throwing up and sweating and it was just a horrible experience.

[Nagognog2]

Tarsiercoma: Read the Rules before you procede further here. Especially take note of the rule against self-incrimination. Rules can be found here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann...t.php?f=43&a=1

[ramjet]

SWIM had some more white sharks last Friday, from a different source, but basically the same area (West Midlands). Totally different batch. They were still "trippy" but resembled MDMA far more than the last batch. Much less discomfort, decent euphoria, lingering trippy after effects similar to the beginning of a shroom trip. It was similar enough to MDMA for SWIM to think that it may have been MDA or MDE. Who knows. Mutch better though. Just goes to show that labels don't necessarily mean a thing.

SWIM wishes he knew exactly what he was taking. Each pill SWIM takes is slightly different to the next. Some pills are just plain dodgy. Some are a bit trippy like the last one: with a decent high, but more introspective and not as much of the "loved up effect" and sometimes with mild visual distortions. Other pills are very energetic (hasn't had many of these lately) and give a real rush: presumably mixed with speed? The ones he likes best are the mellow ones and the clean ones. SWIM doesn't know what these could be. The mellow ones can create amazing philosophical feelings of empathy, probably produce the most noticable "loved up" effect and the comedown isn't that bad at all. The "clean" ones produce a really natural, flowing euphoria, with more energy without a huge speedy rush and a cleaner, more focused vision. They make everything feel great, have a great empathetic quality to them and again the comedown is hardly noticable.

SWIM feels pills are rubbish nowadays. Nowhere near the same strength and invariably mixed with all kinds of other unwanted substances. SWIM doesn't thik he's had a decent dose of MDMA in pill form for a long time.

[Tarsiercoma]

SWIM has found out that the white sharks contained mCPP well in his case thats what were in his pills. It's a piperzine(sp?) but I heard its found in weed killer!

[adzket]

Originally Posted by ramjet

SWIM had some more white sharks last Friday, from a different source, but basically the same area (West Midlands). Totally different batch. They were still "trippy" but resembled MDMA far more than the last batch. Much less discomfort, decent euphoria, lingering trippy after effects similar to the beginning of a shroom trip. It was similar enough to MDMA for SWIM to think that it may have been MDA or MDE. Who knows. Mutch better though. Just goes to show that labels don't necessarily mean a thing.

SWIM wishes he knew exactly what he was taking. Each pill SWIM takes is slightly different to the next. Some pills are just plain dodgy. SWIM doesn't thik he's had a decent dose of MDMA in pill form for a long time.

like i said above swim sugests swiy gets a pill tetsing kit they are easily avalible then they will know what they are taking