Do amphetamines enhance athletic performance ?

[fgtss]

It's a simple yes or no question. I'm doing research on this, and have recieved different opinions from different people. If you can give me yours, i'd appreciate it.

[The Docta]

In the army we had a dermal injector that we called the fun gun.
When the mind was willing but the flesh is weak one shot from the fun gun and you were away. (sweating like a rapist)

[Psych0naut]

No, it supresses fatique so you can keep going, but it doesn't enhance your performance.

[Myzrael]

Well , since performance is mostly mental it can definatly enhance performance. SWIM can go on longer with ephedrine for example and it gives him the desire to go faster and faster. It tires SWIM out just as much as without it but his brain thinks elsewise.
On the other hand.....give SWIM good music , pump up the volume and SWIM will get a similair effect but not the same. So I don't think it really is the drug itself pur sang. The one things uppers are good for is to get you in the mood. If SWIM takes epehdrine he just needs to go to the gym and work his ass off.

For more information I'd suggest you also look on bodybuild forums.

[old hippie 56]

Dangerous for your heart, swim friend had a heart attack while playing basketball. He done a crushed 30mg Adderall XR thirty minutes before. He ok now, but swore off amps.

[fgtss]

I was asking because I've read studies before where athletes took greenies and seen improvements in their performance.

[Benzeneringz]

This is an article from amphetamines.com, a sub-domain of biopsychiatry.com:

Three major types of CNS stimulant are currently abused in sport: amphetamine, cocaine and caffeine. Each drug type has its own characteristic mechanism of action on CNS neurones and their associated receptors and nerve terminals. Amphetamine is widely abused in sports requiring intense anaerobic exercise where it prolongs the tolerance to anaerobic metabolism. It is addictive, and chronic abuse causes marked behavioural change and sometimes psychosis. Major sports abusing amphetamine are cycling, American football, ice-hockey and baseball. Cocaine increases tolerance to intense exercise, yet most of its chronic effects on energy metabolism are negative. Its greatest effects seem to be as a central stimulant and the enhancement of short-term anaerobic exercise. It is highly addictive and can cause cerebral and cardiovascular fatalities. Caffeine enhances fatty acid metabolism leading to glucose conservation, which appears to benefit long-distance endurance events such as skiing. Caffeine is also addictive, and chronic abuse can lead to cardiac damage. Social abuse of each of the three drugs is often difficult to distinguish from their abuse in sport. (1)

1. http://amphetamines.com/psychostimulants/stimulant.html

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interesting post

[Ahuaeynjx]

To be concise : of course it will enhance performance, but passed a certain dosage it will hamper it by the release of too much dopamine thus upsetting the fine adrenalin/epinephrine balance required for enhanced mental attention, thus peak performance. I do not encourage Amphetamine usage and if SWIM would absolutely want to use it for such a purpose in a dream he wouldnt go over 10 mg of Meth, or 20 mg of Amph.

If your goal if muscle-brain coordination SWIM would recommend using colloidal cold, ionic trace minerals and Whey proteins and a mighty dose of essential fatty acids. If the peak strength was the issue SWIM would then recommend a good dosage of R-Alpha-Lipoic Acid, an ATP delivery system and a small dose of PH buffered creatine (around 750 mg for a healthy livered person) along a good source of complex sugars such as honey. SWIM has alot more ideas if money wasn't an issue, intelligent nutrition leads to performance, not magic enhancers.

When you are facing endurance conditions is where some approaches will get dangerous, you can think for example of the simple amino acid Arginine (it IS very strong and has amphetamine-like effects at high dose, destroys the liver too) in all it's forms. The substance in 5-10 g dosage does create an tremendous amount of pump by liberating huge amounds of NO in the muscles, but when the effort becomes too great and is combined even with the slightest stimulant thats when you see the strongest men dropping like cooked asparaguses, even some cases of death... So if SWIM was obliged to take stimulants for not too high effort or endurance performance of course SWIM would take Meth over synthetic Caffeine for example... But SWIM knows too well that an intelligent mixture of herbs with a small dose of different forms of caffeine, ehphedra, yohimbe and tongat ali would be much gentler on the liver and heart (also more balanced in effect) than any single stimulant.

Thats my conclusion, small amount of lots of different natural performance enhancers instead of a big shot of one , SWIM would have to think about interactions as well... for ideas you can visit well known sport nutrition websites. They do have herbal-based formulas that are almost as strong as Amph but are still legal.

Namase,

Ahu

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Good information

[Ahuaeynjx]

'course I meant colloidal Gold... how come I cannot edit my own posts in here ?

Namase,

Ahu

[IHrtHalucingens]

Newbies cannot edit posts, you must get upgraded to silver to edit your posts.

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by old hippie 56

Dangerous for your heart, swim friend had a heart attack while playing basketball. He done a crushed 30mg Adderall XR thirty minutes before. He ok now, but swore off amps.

Thats the impression swim has when he's on amphetamines, your somewhat stronger and you definatly feel alot less pain but when he feels how his heart is pounding adding extra stress to it seems dangerous to him, he's never tried it though.
Of course he's talking recreational dosages, i'm sure the answer is dosage related cause i know a cyclist who has used it with other from his club to get in shape for the season.

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by xpr´k

Thats the impression swim has when he's on amphetamines, your somewhat stronger and you definatly feel alot less pain but when he feels how his heart is pounding adding extra stress to it seems dangerous to him, he's never tried it though.
Of course he's talking recreational dosages, i'm sure the answer is dosage related cause i know a cyclist who has used it with other from his club to get in shape for the season.

seems Ahu's post confirms my suspicions

[FrankenChrist]

In swim's country cycling is very popular. Some years back, there was a cocktail for cyclists on the market , called Le pot belge, freely translated "Belgian stew". This was a cocktail of steroids and drugs. As far as swim remembers it had stimulants like amphetamines and possibly cocaine, and heroin to sedate pain. It was said to "give one wings".

By the way, in swim's country illegal growth hormones for cows
and amphetamines (and ecstacy) are said to come from the same organised criminals.

[Ahuaeynjx]

Anyone how do I get to delete my posts ?

Namase,

Ahu

[halfastspeed]

Originally Posted by old hippie 56

Dangerous for your heart, swim friend had a heart attack while playing basketball. He done a crushed 30mg Adderall XR thirty minutes before. He ok now, but swore off amps.

The aspartame in the diet drink he took did it, not tha adderall.

[Ahuaeynjx]

This sounds wicked, sadly as most places in the world... animal hormones yuck, where SWIM lives they feed it legally to the people through the meat and milk, no legislation, and sodium fluoride too ! Even synthetic oestrogens in the public water due to the consumption of birth control pills upstream !

The kind of insanities the sharing of ideas will erradicate forever I hope !

For those who like biking, hiking an all the 'kings SWIM suggest to try Maral root, it contains ecdysterones which are known to boost all kinds of strength and endurance by ~20% if it is used in the right dosage. (200mg total ecdysterones 2 times a day)

SWIM is not exagerating it makes him feel like running all around the place ; SWIM clairvoyantly sees that it affects the body by indirect anti-aromatase and directly within the ligaments.

Namase,

Ahu

[FrankenChrist]

swim would really love to try hikes on coca leaves.

Originally Posted by halfastspeed

The aspartame in the diet drink he took did it, not tha adderall.

You better be referring to phenylketonuria , or I'm reporting your post as retarded.

[desolated000]

Uhhg swim wouldnt dare try to push his body while on speed! It increases heart rate, blood pressure, breathing... It makes the body work like it is already being worked to its max. And it makes you feel like you have energy you dont, so theres serious chance of overworking yourself.

[jesusfreak666er]

swim has used amphetamines (addy/dex) as an aid in work outs and lifting for football and lacrosse. Swim finds that if used properly amps do a lot of good but the slightest miss calculation or over exhaustion can be devastating. A few years back swim was at football preseaon camp, 5am in the mid of summer. Instead of coffee swim would often use adderall to get himself up. One not so faithful day swim was in an extremely hard practice running tons of sprints and fell down started weezing then started to dry heave. Fortunately swim was all right but one can see that how ephedrine related deaths in athletics happen (several famous in baseball and football)

swim does find though that for a morning lift session 10mg adderall does a nice trick of boosting swims performance and ability, swim just stays clear when cardiac conditioning is involved. Well thats swims opinion its not a clear yes or no, if one wanted to make a clear yes or no, it would be yes if you dont die and a definate no if you do

[fishinabottle]

Amphetamines don´t boost performance but endurance. Beats fatigue. So speed will be perfect for a bicyclist on the Tour de France but nothing for a 100m sprinter.

If 30mg of plain amphetamine would make people drop dead when doing sports you would have thousands, no tenthousands of victims in last 50 years. LOL.

Halfastspeed was actually right on the point. The chance that the softdrink killed the person (it it´s not a urban myth anyways) is at least as high as the speed.
But serious sport is unhealthy by itself. Why do professors get older then construction workers? I tell you: Because to much workout is unhealthy.

[jesusfreak666er]

fishinabottle... Idk if you follow sports but it seems like every spring training there is a MLB pitcher dying of stimulant abuse from Ephedrine, and Corry Stringer (most famous case in NFL) dropped drop from heat exhaustion credited to ephedrine.

Why do they use ephedrine... simple it doesnt come up on drug tests, all major league sports do some form of drug testing.

In actuality do people die from mixing addy and sports... depends on the sport workout... swim during a training session would run upwards up 5 miles in sprints along with warm up laps. If you are talkin about taking some adderall to get the endurance to stay up and keep wacking it... well swim can 2nd that, but strenious activity (though wacking can be strenious) that to me sounds risking

[Fantasian]

Does this mean if someone was taking Amphetamines legitamately for example for ADAH they would be unable to partake in strenuous sport effectively and safely?

[TheHoffBomb]

my troll ran a mile in 6 minutes, he ussually takes 8

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by fishinabottle

Amphetamines don´t boost performance but endurance. Beats fatigue. So speed will be perfect for a bicyclist on the Tour de France but nothing for a 100m sprinter.

No, vice versa, they´re fight&flight drugs for short, intense running, but are detrimental for pure endurance, since your heartbeat remains elevated, with all the catecholaminergic effects, sucking on your endurance in favour for better reaction and explosive strenght, moreover, these effects of power bososting by amphetamines are not reproducible, which means on one occasion one might have a better anaerobic performance, on others it just plain sucks.

If 30mg of plain amphetamine would make people drop dead when doing sports you would have thousands, no tenthousands of victims in last 50 years. LOL.

Yep, there has to be a heart condition before amphetamine or ephedrine might exacerbate this condition or lead to a heart-failure -and even then there might be some benefical effects of anti.-apoptotic action and perservation of tissue in ischaemic/hypoxic tissue.

But serious sport is unhealthy by itself. Why do professors get older then construction workers? I tell you: Because to much workout is unhealthy.

there´re lots of other conditions contributing to this issue, which are e.g. social state, the prof. having the money and time to live healthier and spending more time and thoughts on living healthy, etc, you get the point...

[epote]

well im a coach, and (was) an athlete my self, ive used amphetamins and have read quite some litterature on their use (mainly east german stuff but americans used them at some point also), so if you may listen to my opinion that is frankly based more on actuall use and not on theory (though i dont lack theoretical knowledge)

ahuaeynjx came closer than most to what amphetamine use can do for the sports man.

for starters it can be detected, so using speed before a competition is stupid, just dont do it.

The sole use of amphetamines is a slight raise of intencity during work outs that must have a high intencity component (say speed work outs for a sprinter). But then again at very low doses, using a rec dose of speed to work out is a) dangerous b) counterproductive because it tends to cause improper neural pathways and firing patterns really messing up your technique and getting the athlete tence and tight.

point is use a little and you get somewhat stronger, use alot and your body fights you all the way, that is because when performing a moovement fast the antagonist muscles must shut down completely and fast to allow for agonist movement. On high doses of speed that doesnt happen.

the late onset of fatigue exists but we've never used speed like that, if you dont have the speed and endurance on place amphetamins will do jack shit. We've used speed during certain work out protocols at doses circa 10mg and no more than once a week and three times a month vbmenu_register("postmenu_159043", true);

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