If u seizured on acid would u drop again?

[zasabi]

SWIM had a acid induced seizure and in the emergency room SWIM told himself 2 never touch the stuff again. LSD can be very very hard to stop if u r a person who loves trippin. If any of u ppl out there love trippin and if during the next trip u had a seizure would u ever do it again? even if u dosed lower than be4?

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[IHrtHalucingens]

If SWIM knew for a fact the acid caused his siezures then no he would not ever do it again. If it was some sort of odd interaction with a combonation of thigns that SWIM took/did then he would trip again but be careful about that combo.

Being someone who had epilepsy as a child, SWIM knows what its like, and would do whatever it takes to not to suffer another seizure for the rest of his life.

[Alfa]

LSD induced seizure? Never heard of such a thing before. Please explain about this new phenomenon.

[zasabi]

r u bein sarcastic alfa? cuz its pretty commonly known that mushrooms and acid lowers ur threshold for seizures. acid was the only thing that casued this horrible seizure. swim never had any seizures before or any epolepsy or anything, this came out of knowere. SWIM was actually in line for the haunted mansion at disneyland when it happened. SWIM was having a normal time on acid having fun just talkin and the next thing SWIM remembers was waking up in the ambulence not having any idea what was going on. The hospitol report said it was an acute seizure, SWIM also had very very sore muscles for the next week. This can happend to anyone, it is just some people have a higher seizure threshold to begin with than others.

[raven3davis]

SWIM would not take acid again. Having a seizure on acid is a rare occurance. If it has happened to you once, it may happen again. Do you really think taking acid is worth the risk? If you are willing to risk having another seizure then go for it, but be ready to accept the consequences. Are you sure acid was the only thing tha caused the seizure? Maybe it was a number of factors combined that caused it. Either way, you need to think long and hard before taking acid again. If the benefits outweight the risks then drop again, but if not then just give it up.

Honestly, if SWIM had a seizure on acid he does not know what he would do. There are plenty of other chemicals to take that SWIM enjoys so SWIM would try to find out which of these substances would be the least likely to cause a seizure. Good luck, hopefully everything works out for you.

[Alfa]

No, I am not sarcastic. That would be highly out of place.

I have truly never heard of seizures due to LSD nor magic mushrooms. Nor have I ever read anything about it in any research papers on either. On magic mushrooms, I can be pretty certain after all the research I have read about it. Several governments have gone out of their way to find something harmfull about magic mushrooms, but they could not. The Irish and the UK government had to make up lies and exagerate the effects on psychological instable persons to come up with a reason to ban magic mushrooms. I dare you to find any reference or evidence that seizures are caused by acid. I have just done a quick search on pubmed to find any relating research, but found none.

Please note, that I do not mean to say that you did not have a seizure. I would however not be surprised if you where misinformed by the hospital report.

[zasabi]

ok heres something done a long time ago
http://www.erowid.org/references/ref...DocPartID=4394
this was be4 forums and if u search on erowid trip reports, bluelight, or even shroomery u will find lots of cases of such a thing. SWIM plans on only taking half the dose he did that casued the seizure. thanks for ur advice guys

[raven3davis]

What dose did you take when you had a seizure? Also, had you ever taken such a high dose? How many times had you taken acid before this incident? Taking a lower dose would be highly advisable. SWIM really hopes things work out for you because lsd> almost everything this sick world has to offer

[zasabi]

lol ya raven lsd is so grand, gods synthetic gift to man. SWIM took acid twice before the inciddent, never was it the dose as high as it was, but SWIM has done pretty extreme things such as hippyflip(Shrooms and E) at a rave, this came out of knowere.

[Alfa]

Zasabi, what dose did SWIY take? Thanks for that link. One thing that I find very strange in the link you have posted is that the guy got a spinal fracture from the seizure. The article in the link is by a notorious "researcher" called Duke D Fischer who also claimed the urban myth about LSD turning you into a glass of orance juice was true. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/orange.htm

After searching for grand mal seizures, I found various documents related to LSD overdose. None of them give evidence nor indicates this being a common thing. But altough there is no real evidence coming from research, I found quite a few posts from people that have had a seizure due to LSD. Seizures are closely related to Epilepsy.

Here's some advise I found elsewhere:
"Everytime you have a seizure, your threshold gets just a little lower. So even after 15 years, I'm still spinning odds. There *were* other factors, but none of them had managed to cause seizure activity up till or since that time. "

Originally Posted by monoamine

There are many different types and causes of siezures.Epilepsy is usually just a generic term for a chronic siezure disorder. Siezures are just too much electrical discharge in the brain. Where thet happen in the brain dictates what happens to the person. People that get convulsions have siezures that usually involve most of the brain or the motor cortex. People that get partial temporal lobe siezures often don't get any convulsions, but often get profound alterations in consciousness.

Originally Posted by monoamine

My answer would be hell no if your friend is having any symptoms associated with it. If it's under control,you need to take a lot into consideration. Start with a low dose.People with siezure disorders generally have overactive brains to begin with. If your friend is having ANY symptoms of siezures (convulsions,twitching,one pupil being larger than the other,smelling things that aren't there),do not continue. If everything seems to be OK,raise the dose next time. Make sure your friend has her medicine handy and possibly some benzos (Xanax,Valium,Ativan) in case things start going sour.

This is also related: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2837

I have been reading up on this subject for a few hours and have learned much. Many thanks for this.
I found out that you are running the same thread on various discussion boards.

On your question, I can only answer: Stick to your promiss to yourself in the ER. No matter how much you love psychedelics, the risk is much to large. I hope you will take this advise serious.
If you feel so strong about psychedelics that you will ignore all warnings given to you on this forum and on other places on the net, then do a very low dose and keep benzo's at hand.

[bewilderment]

Swim once experienced a seizure that seemed to come out of the blue. There were no substances involved although benzos may have been used earlier in the week. Swim has contemplated that it may have been due to benzo withdrawal as she had an addiction to valium but not during this particular time period, she hardly used drugs at all aside from a pharmaceutical here and there. She was on Paxil during this time period and it is possible that she may have accidentally taken twice her normal dosage, but this is just speculation. Other than those two rather dubious factors, there seemed to be no cause for the seizure and no substances were in her system at the time. However, swim was extremely tired (which lowers the seizure threshold) as well as quite stressed (which also lowers the threshold) and she had also been out in 106 degree Arizona heat for an extended period during the day so these were possible contributing factors. There were a bunch of the the normal tests run: blood work, EEG, CTscan, MRI, etc. and everything was normal. The doctor told swim it was probably a fluke and something like 1 in 5 (this was quite sometime ago so check the statistic, but it was a higher number than swim expected) people have seizures at some point in their lifetime. Swim has never experienced a seizure again even when she has been dumb enough to combine things that would possibly induce a seizure in normal people.

That being said, if the seizure had been caused by a particular substance in this swim then she would be quite terrified (and rightly so) of giving it another go. Then again, swim is pretty stubborn and would still probably try it out once again to test the waters, but this isn't what her rational mind says. There are plenty of hallucinogens out there and I would say "branch out" only many of them probably lower seizure thresholds even more than acid. The advice above about keeping benzos handy if you do decide to try again is very good advice. Swim always keeps benzos around if she's experimenting with anything with stimulant properties and this is mainly due to the seizure incident. There have been times when swim has experienced small tremors and became afraid and took a benzodiazipine and this usually helps greatly. I mean, when one experiences a seizure they pump you full of benzodiazipines anyway in the ambulance so sometimes it's best to try to circumvent seizing and having to take the ambulance ride in the first place.

Also, it seems that some experiences such as these seem to weaken the body so that one becomes more prone to such things. My wife, for example, used to be able to take ecstacy and had taken a few research chemicals with me. Then one night, dumb things happen, and some 5-meo-amt was combined with crystal meth. Everything went fine the entire night until basically everything had worn off, but the next morning she fainted. After that, she had a few more fainting episodes and went to the doctor but the tests were inconclusive (although we did learn that she had a heart murmur that we were previous unaware of). After that, whenever she would take anything that was stimulatory (for example, 5-meo-amt, 2c-i, dxm; these were the only things we gave a brief try to see how she would react) she would shake pretty hard and experience heart palpitations and I would usually end up feeding her a whole bunch of clonazepam (this isn't the best benzo for this sort of thing though I've found) before she would stop shaking.

This may or may not be related to your health issues, but I thought I'd include this just in case it's relevant at all.

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[Nagognog2]

A "study" by two unknown "doctors" in 1967? Give me a fucking break! That was obviously tossed out as a scare tactic hot-on-the-heels of LSD being outlawed in the USA.

Now before someone goes blaming every seizure ever seen on the dreaded LSD, I want to see more evidence to back up your statements that there are a lot of them around. Prove what you are saying here. Or you are shouting fire in a crowded theatre when no such conflagration exists.

And as one who has studied such for well over 30 years - I have never heard such ascribed to LSD, or any other well-known psychedelic molecule including psilocybin. I have known one person who suffers seizures commonly as a result of having cerebral palsey. The one time he took a good dose of LSD, he stopped shaking and trembling altogether. His voice cleared. His body relaxed. And he was scared to death of this! He never, or so I hear, went near LSD again. But if you had a seizure diagnosed by a doctor and an EEG (it might not have been a seizure, could be a beginning of a Kundalini experience) to back this, then stay away from LSD et al. Or, as Alfa suggests, have benzo's on hand. Actually I would suggest phenobarbitol.

[zasabi]

ya well i dont no wut else to say, there were no other factors that would have caused my seizure. and it was an actual seizure not a kundalini experience, i was unconscious for about 15 minutes and when i was seizuring i was foaming at the mouth and all of my muscles went tense and i was laying on the ground with my neck strectched out and my arms straight out. i wish i had some acsess to these meds so i would feel much safer next time SWIM uses psycadelics.
here are some trip reports of ppl havin seizurs
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=32413
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=5549
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=35682
http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/27941
http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/9081
http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/26567

[Nagognog2]

Too bad none of these reports can be verified in any scientific way. Such as medical histories, other substances aboard, actual knowledge of substance taken, actual dosages, etc. For instance, the third one states it was the first time taking a psychedelic. Then states it was psilocybin mushrooms. So how do we know this was psilocybin mushrooms? We do not. Could it have been Amanita Muscaria? Maybe. Those can cause a seizure - especially if not properly dried.

So the problem remains. We have no actual and/or verifiable evidence to work from. No medical reports to back this up with. Now LSD was legal for many years before the ban. Many physicians gave it to thousands of people. And, aside from that one odd-ball piece from 1967, no report has crossed my desk about a seizure occuring during these medical tests. I would think that such would have been howled from the rooftops by the medical community if, in fact, such has happened during these tests/research.

So thank you for the links to these postings. But I remain skeptical until I see something that can be proven.

[Alfa]

Zasabi, what dose did SWIY take? Did SWIY take anything else?

[zasabi]

no it was 1 hit of "european acid" that SWIM purchased from a dj. SWIM has no idea how much was in it but SWIM does no he has never hallucinated that hard while on acid so it must have been a fair dose. SWIMs gf also took the same acid the same day and was fine the whole day. Only a like a bowl was smoked besides the acid, and i no the weed didnt cause any harm 2 SWIM

[Alfa]

A bowl while on acid will make you trip balls. You can not compare that to a normal bowl. It would amaze me if this would not contribute.

[bewilderment]

It's also possible that it may not have been acid at all, but instead some sort of research chemical. How well did you know the person that you bought it off of?

[zasabi]

i dont him that well but i no several ppl who took the same stuff and had an acid trip, here is a pick of it. wuts the likelyhood of it bein sumtin else? wut else would it be in a blotter

[StigmataLectron]

Usually the tell-tale signs that it's an RC are that it's two blotters sandwiched together, has a chemical taste, or both. If neither of these are present.. it could just be blotter paper without the acid, so still be on the lookout. If everyone else who took it had an acid trip, I'd say it's acid though. If you're really worried about having siezures (which I would be at least moderately), my $.02 is that this thought could ruin the trip even though everyone else seems to say that it's very unlikely.

[big-lester]

Did you have a body-load during the "acid" trip? if you did, it probably wasn't acid. were you stimulated a bit amfetamine style? if you were it could very well have been DOC or DOI.

Also, SWIBL knows a monkey who ate some mushrooms (SWIBL isn't sure, he thinks it was around 1.5-3 g. of cubensis), he went to a bar, drank some beer and had a seizure in the bar, his friends carried him outside, he woke up, and it happened again, he told SWIBL his entire life flashed before his eyes during this seizure. remember, this was in combination with alcohol

[TXRoughneck]

SWIM cannot speak for everyone. He also has never heard of seizures on acid or shrooms. However, he has had seizures from coke. In his particular experiences in that regard, he continued to do coke. Strangely and perhaps, disturbingly, he enjoyed the experiences. I think that is very irresponsible and I would never recommend such behavior.

[matti_2003]

zasabi, you say you were in the queue for a ride at a theme park when this happened, maybe a roller coaster of something could have triggered this?

[behemuthzero]

Swim both has done acid and has seizures...swim is not epilectic or anything...a seizure can be cause by a number of things....stress...lack of sleep...not eating right...I have had three "Grand Maul Seizures in the last 7 years...The last was caused by a combination of no sleep...stress...no eating and overexerting myself at work mentally...But the actual trigger that sent me to seize...a fucking sinus infection..that was the physical trigger....

Though Swim thinks that acid may indirectly cause a factor that could cause you to seize...like stress from tripping too hard...or maybe being in bad physical shape when dropping it...or mixing it with other substances...Swim knows of no event where LSD was the actual cause of seizing....Unless swim was presented with factual data concluding that the lsd itself was the DIRECT cause of the seizure...than Swim would not worry...LSD is a fairly safe substance of choice...remember most doctors will tell you all kinds of shit to have you do what THEY think is right...Not saying i am a doctor or that i would ever know more than one....But contrarywise...unless they proved to me acid was the direct cause i would bet a thousand dollars acid was just the final straw..to speak figuratively...perhaps if you said what kind of seizure it was Swim could be more helpful...I will describe mine to maybe give you an idea of my understanding of things...


Swim was called to the superintendants office to explain some problems with yields on his line (swim is the supervisor of the line.)..he went directly to break as it was that time after th meeting...he sat down talked to a girl to his right and gave her a cigarette she asked to bum..then a gentlemen sat down to his left and swim distinctly remembers this cause he spoke german to him...a little inside thing they did when others where around to keep things private...then swim thought..."well i have 5 minutes should i smoke another cigarette or go get a coke before break is over....then...

Flashes of being in a back seat of a car with some stranger (a nurse who swim actually knew quite well but did not recognize for some reason)...she just kept saying..."calm down calm down your going to be alright"...Then he was in a bed strapped down being asked questions like "how old are you" "whats your phone number" where are you" "who is the president" whats your name" Swim has never felt so ashamed in his life...he just hung his head low and shook his head cause he knew none of the answers...he fell asleep again woke up and his fiance was there...and his sister...he recognized his fiance but not his sister..swim kept blacking in and out like he had not slept for days (although he had).....


What happened:

swim was smoking that cigarette he was wondering wether he should smoke or not...the girl to his right said he leaned forward...his eyes rolled into the back of his head...and then he screamed...her actual quote was "it wasn't like a yell it was like a serious man scream...like you were just dealt some mortal blow and was not going to survive." then i fell over...and began the actuall seizing where i bit the shit out of my cheek and tongue...they said i was slamming my face into the ground so hard it looked like some invisible person was above me slamming my head into the ground as if it was a fight...i was foaming at the mouth and moaning the whole time...luckily some of the workers on my line saw and rolled me over stuck somthing in my mouth and ran to health services to get the nurses...I was very lucky to have such good workers who gave a shit for me as the person who stuck something in my mouth stuck there fingers in...cause there was nothing around in the outside break area...


This gigantic embarresing episode was caused by nothing more than a sinus infection....Something so simple and minute...i have no neurilogical disorders and no other health problems that can attribute seizures....if something as stupid as a infection can cause a grand maul seizure...then i can only say..don't breath and don't touch anything...but we live in the real world...i understand you might have a deep fear of reliving that..i would give my right nut to never have to go through it again...the fear and the pain that follows when every muscle in your body aches from it...i understand your fear and situation....and would trip all day long without worry...

[markdahman]

SWIM never had a seizure in his life either, and after a 5 day xtc and coke binge and barely eating or sleeping my labrat swim had a seizure!
Now he didnt knwo what it was but his hands where CLENCHED! his body felt buzzing like he was on a jack hammer or something but wasnt moving and his hands and legs then whole body went numb! (like blood restriction)

I was reading up on it and this is described as the only seizure where one doesnt loose consience! Now i know this is exacly what happend cause its symptom for symptom!
What caused this?
Is it possible for swim to just have a seizure once in his lifetime or do you think my lil labrab will have another?

This has shyed him away from xtc and cocaine!
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Well now i see the post under mine! THANKS BEHEMUTHZERO! lol