Opinions - LSD Legalised!???

[redpoppy]

Heh heh, Sorry, NOT REALLY!!!! (OFCOURSE NOT YOU SILLY BUNNIES!)

But now i have your attention. I just shared this on another thread:

SWIM REALLY wishes that LSD could be lagalised in small communities or controlled environments (Dream!) and feels it would be magnificent to be a LSD Guide as a professional.

SO the question is this.

If LSD WAS legalised somewhere in the world either in a whole country or in small communities or controlled recreational environments. What would you (or people) do?

I think I agree with SWIM on this one... IF that were to happen, being an LSD guide would be my dream job. You could choose if your guide was to take LSD with you or just talk you through things. Good guides would become popular and strangely it would probably be exploited and become a huge commercial venture.

Yeeargh!
sounds all a bit too clinical all of a sudden...

BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Reputation Comments on this post:

just don't like being tricked in silly threads by misleading titles, silly bunny...

[IHrtHalucingens]

SWIM would do what SWIM does anyway, trip with a few close friends in a seccluded area not bothering anyone or being bothered by anyone. SWIM doesnt like being around people who arent triping while he is, it just weirds him out and he gets the idea that they dont undertsand whats going on, even ifthey have tripped before. Legalization would not change SWIMs actions while on LSD just its potency and availability.

[rxbandit]

hmm sounds like the 70's minus the legality, it would be used by stupid people who would do stupid shit and then it would be re illegalized. im not an elitist but i do believe alot of people should not be allowed to have drugs and if they do get them they should be extensively educuated and not an idiot.

[Alfa]

Mushrooms have been legally sold in the Netherlands for over decades, without stupid people doing stupid shit. If the parameters under which psychedelics are sold are right, then they are relatively safe. Especially compared to dangerous drugs as alcohol. With right parameters I mean right dose, good information, minimum age and right to refusal of sales.

[rxbandit]

interesting, in america the majority of users ive run into are misinformed and undereducated. id like to visit the netherlands or another more liberal country and look for some of the differences in a responsible society that prohibits pyschedelics.

perhaps a vaction is in order.

[redpoppy]

I agree that it would be made illegal again because the attitude in The UK and the USA is very differnt to that in Holland. The Dutch are quite famaous for being very open and also vocal in their opinions. (its a shame because teh whole Muslim issues iun that country of late really bring up many issues regarding this.)

In an open country where people are used to vocalising there opinions and hearing other opinions being vocalised, I think the potential for propaganda is somewhat less maybe? I dont know if thats bull. Just a theory. I belive there are too many newspapers and organisations in the USA and the UK that would scream scandal if psychedelics where ever legalised or do something to make them stop (as they have done in the UK with Shrooms).

Also, regarding Holland, although people are very open about sex and drugs, many people can still be very funny regarding illegal substances such as LSD.

SWIM went to Holland once and was trying to (stupidly! Silly, silly SWIM!) find some LSD and recieved some serious attitude from smart shop retailers whilst casually asking around. SWIM bought enough shrooms of strong potency to knock out a horse (or at least make the horse trip with strong visuals and perception changes) from this smart shop but any hint of a mention of LSD, the Dutch can get quite antagonistic.

This is very strange no?

But anyway, Lets IMAGINE a world where such issues are not at hand. IMAGINE LSD was legal and silly people didn't go doing silly things.

[Alfa]

I do not find this strange. What I find strange is:

When tourists come to the Netherlands, many expect to arive in drug tourism heaven. An expectation one could defend. But then they act like there is no law. Like the illegal is normal. Like one can not get burned. One does get years of jail time over LSD trade in the Netherlands. One does get their smart or coffeeshop closed down over trade of illegal drugs. We do have undercover cops here as well. I find it very strange that people coming from countries where drug laws and the execution thereoff is very threathning suddenly become ignorant of the risks involved when they come to the Netherlands.

End of rant.

[Psych0naut]

If it were ever to be made legal, then anyone wanting to do LSD should do some sort of pscychedelic test to qualify.LSD is something you should respect, and IMO not everyone should be able to get it as some people are prone to f*ck it up and make it illegal again.

[robin_himself]

but that's not a very liberal way of thinking. One has got to have the right to do whatever one wants regardless of his intellect or skill in something. Legalising it will improve the knowleadge people have about it, safer environment would be created, good quality and well portioned dosis. The drug-respect issue is a hard one... cause it seems like respect is becoming a rather hard to define abstract thing, nobody really knows what is ment with respect. Drug respect IMO is first learning what the drug is about (the ins and out) caring for the dosis.... getting a good set and setting and then eat the fruit that you have been given.
And there alfa's story comes in to play... drug tourist that come to holland just have no clue of what the dutch are about. We are liberal but we don't want a fuss, no drama and please no!!! not to much action... we would rather talk about it. Smart and coffeeshops will sell you everything that is legal and NOT more than that, its just another shop.

as to what SWIM would do when it where legalised... SWIM would continue on the path that SWIM is now.. with improvements on the paths quality

[redpoppy]

hey hey hey,

I completely understand that smart shop ownders have to protect their trade.

I also understand that it must be a pain in holland to have a bunch of tourists acting like idiots let off a leash roaming about every weekend.

My point was that it's strange that LSD is illegal in a country where mushrooms are considered legal.

SWIM feels Shrooms and LSD are in many ways identical in terms of the physical/visual/perception changes etc.

However SWIM has had icky bad dingy trips on Shrooms and nothing but lovely and pure mind freeing and expanding, learning and illuminating experiences on LSD.

SWIM realises that there are people who have had the opposite experience but has met MANY people who agree with her.

SWIM feels that there is a definite pro shroom bias (not that she thinks people should hate shrooms, not at all!) because shrooms are considered "natural" and LSD is "manufactured".

SWIM just feels that this is illogical and would like a place where balance is restored.

I completely understand your rant Alpha. This is why I considered SWIM silly in attempting to solicit LSD at a smart shop in Holland (mentioned in previous post).

However, I still see the surreal and ironic situation where two drugs so similar in type, can receive such different attitudes. (and jail terms!)

SWIM feels it a travesty that people attempting to make a unaddictive substance with no side effects can receive such harsh penalities in all types of countries. Not to say legalising it would be the answer. SWIM feels legalising a drug with teh potency of LSD is a little far fetched. However, the criminalisation and indeed demonisation of people who choose to do or make LSD is harsh and extreme in SWIMs opinion.

At the same time, SWIM thinks it is a little insane that mushrooms are so readily available, which, when SWIM went to holland, had, with someone who had tried mushrooms for teh first time, and that someone had a very very bad time becasue they didn't realise how strong a drug and how strong a dose that someone was receiving.

But that someone is fine now.

And I and SWIM and that someone SWIM knows would all like to add that we love Holland and the Dutch. And no it's not because of the drugs and the sex. It's because, as mentioned earlier, they have a real sense of freedom of speech and expression and openess and a real nice vibe of liberation. As I said, in vocalising thoughts, saying what they think etc. Not suggesting this can't go too far but its just a very nice idea that works most of the time and is part of an identity and heritage we feel.

And we would also like to thank you for Martin Jol.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Mushrooms have been legally sold in the Netherlands for over decades, without stupid people doing stupid shit. If the parameters under which psychedelics are sold are right, then they are relatively safe. Especially compared to dangerous drugs as alcohol. With right parameters I mean right dose, good information, minimum age and right to refusal of sales.

I wish SWIM's country was as tolerant as yours.