Strongest?

[djad05]

I am new to the research area and was just wondering which one you experienced users think is the strongest. I am looking for something that is closest is simularity to LSD-25. Thanks for your help.

[Psilocybe S.]

I would like to know this as well.

[Thegreatone]

strongest as in knock u on ur ass or as in the size of the dose? and as for sim. to L some of the 2c's r some people compare amt to but its much longer all the rc are diffrent so some people will tekll u one thing and after tring it u may feel diff. i thought 2ci was like L without any mental ascpect.

[djad05]

thanks greatone.......


to answer your question (dose size or knock you on your ass) I am looking for something that is as close to L as possible. Your the second person that has told me 2c-i. What do you mean when you say......like L without any mental aspect?

[wizard warior]

of the ones i have tried i would say 2c-e its a very well rounded rc with little body load

[markdahman]

If u want somehting thats near L in everyway possible except duration, go with DOM. DOM can last near 24 hours tho! Watch out cuz the next day when u wake up you might still be in the middle of a trip.

[nikonikad]

Doi is nice, it last 12 h, and needs im my case 2 mg

But 2c-t-7 is also not bad

[FrankenChrist]

STP (DOM) is said to be "like LSD, only for 24 hours or more." Some users report that they felt as if 10 000 volts was going through their bodies.

Source: some books I read, Dutch, not translated into English AFAIK.

[Alfa]

STP/DOM is for 15-20 hours. Since 2C-T-7 and DOM are both amphetamines, andthe tryptamine family feels different, I would guess you would need to go for ETH-LAD or other LSD deratives.

[hh339]

50 mg of 5-MEO-DIPT is quite a ride!!!

[hippie_lain]

In my opinion 40 mg of 2-t-7 is pretty close to the introspection and insights that you might get on acid. Though I dont think I've ever tried real LSD-25

[XtcC]

DOB is more like a 2c-e trip that last about 12hours, more psychic
frestration that can be annoying i think ..

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by hh339

50 mg of 5-MEO-DIPT is quite a ride!!!

50 mg??!! I would expect so. 6-12 mg is Shulgin's advised dose and that can be heavy on the body. Others advise a maximum of 30 mg's as a very strong dose.

[Labrat]

No Alfa, 2C-T-7 is a phenethylamine and DOM is a amphetamine. All the 2C's are phenethylamines. The 2C-part indicates a two carbon chain whereas amphetamines has a three carbon chain.

I have sampled most of the chemicals mentioned here, and I don't think
any of them felt qualitatively similar to LSD. They all feel more
similar to each other. LSD has a very unique character among
psychedelics. It is of course impossible to describe adequately, but a
good LSD trip just feels _perfect_. Whereas my good trips with most RCs
have been good, even very good, LSD stands alone.



However, of all the RCs I have tried, for me 4-HO-MiPT comes the
closest. Too bad it's almost impossible to find now. I would say it's
my favorite RC so far.

[Pinkavvy]

closest to lsd? 2c-b but since that's not available much anymore, then stick with 2c-e.

however the fact that you are asking which is closest to LSD makes me wonder if you are planing to sell it as acid? in which case you should die.

or at least get beat up :P

DO NOT TELL SOMEBODY ANY RC IS LSD. DO NOT TRY TO PASS ANY RC OFF AS LSD. IF YOU MUST SELL RC'S MAKE SURE YOU ARE HONEST ABOUT WHAT IT IS. HAND OUT A COPY OF THE PHIKAL/THIKAL PAGE WITH EACH DOSE.

[discobloodbath]

very good point pinkavvy

[fletch]

is there anyway to tell if youve got acid, but are unsure if it is indeed acid and not just some RC?

[dr ACE]

acid powder is pure white i belive but apart form that youd need a test kit i think unless you just sampled it but the doeses are very sensitvie with acid hence its illegal

Originally Posted by fletch

is there anyway to tell if youve got acid, but are unsure if it is indeed acid and not just some RC?

What form is it in, on a blotter or in a pill or dot or something? ONly
a very few chems are potent enough to be active on a blotter, LSD being
one of them, 5-MeO-AMT being a (usually unwelcome) second option.

[knowname]

What research chem most resembles a stimulant high like speed or cocaine. That's the kind I'd like to try.

[XtcC]

Originally Posted by knowname

What research chem most resembles a stimulant high like
speed or cocaine. That's the kind I'd like to try.

Not yet..

[Triple7]

I just noticed there is pro-lad and other nice substance (have not tried it).. are there any legal cousins to lsd??

[windtraveler]

I know that 2-CT-7 will give you stimulant effects similar to speed, plus the amazing visuals of course.

[dmax]

DOM reminded me of LSD. Of course, it's even *harder* to
find. For the RCs you might see turning up... none of them are
anything like it. My favorite is 2ci. 2ct-whatever makes me
vomit like no one has ever vomitted before, and 2ce bores me to
sleep. None of the tryptamine RC's have ever really done it for
me, except maybe DPT, but that's a way different experience/useage type
of thing.