any one doing real reserch on these

[adzket]

can swim ask is any one atualy doing any real reserch on these chemicals to see if they have any benifits of any kind or are they just used recreationaly it would be good to know if these have any benifits to man kind.

Reputation Comments on this post:

good question also wondered about RC's

[Iggypoop]

Ibogaine - addiction

MDMA - post traumatic stress disorder

Ketamine - getting over fear of death in terminally ill patients, same with psilo mushrooms

Not research chemicals, but they all do the same basic things, affecting 5-HT receptors in the brain.

DMT - Read 'the spirit molecule' by Rick Strassman

Changing the structure of these molecules may lead to better more useful psychoanalytical tools as well.

So basically yes there is research, not necessarily on these chems but in psychedelics in general.

www.maps.org - have a look at the studies.

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liked the reply, good info

[Micklemouse]

Not many it would appear from a quick flick through Erowid - the most recent I could find was a 1997 study on 2-cb-fly - although as Iggypoop said there is a lot of stuff going on with some of the older chemicals. Add to the list also LSD & Psilocybin in the treatment and prevention of cluster headaches, ketamine for addiction and depression, mdma in palliative care, effects on cognition and neurotoxicity of MDE, as well as several peer reviews of previous studies...

Bear in mind that it has taken MAPS years to get the funding and go ahead for their studies, and that studies such as this can take years to carry out
and collate, never mind finding someone to actually publish it.

[nanobrain]

around the 3rd rock from the sun, there are many cells of extremely wise, educated, kind and skilled humans dedicated to shifting the collective spiritual paradigm with the aid of the spirit molecule catalysts.

evolution prevails. as it must.

[renegades]

Yep, the government is treating solders from Iraq suffering from post tramatic experience with MDMA a program approved by the DEA and FDA. And this swim thought there were no medical uses for MDMA. They have to reclassify it because they are using it in a medical environment with success.

[DigitalAngel]

Originally Posted by renegades

Yep, the government is treating Iraq solders with post tramatic experiences with MDMA a program approved by the DEA. And this swim thought there were no medical uses for MDMA. They have to reclassify it.

source please?

[Nagognog2]

Source? Start here:

http://www.maps.org/mdma/

[renegades]

US soldiers to receive ecstasy to fight combat trauma

Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:16:33 -0800

Summary: Several studies in the US are planned or are under way to investigate whether MDMA, LSD and psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, can treat conditions ranging from obsessive compulsive disorder to anxiety in terminal cancer patients.
[Posted By ShiftShapers]
By THE GUARDIAN, LONDON
Republished from Taipei Times
Soldiers traumatized by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be offered the drug ecstasy to help free them of flashbacks and recurring nightmares.
US soldiers traumatized by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be offered the drug ecstasy to help free them of flashbacks and recurring nightmares.
The US food and drug administration has given the go-ahead for the soldiers to be included in an experiment to see if MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, can treat post-traumatic stress disorder.
Scientists behind the trial in South Carolina think the feelings of emotional closeness reported by those taking the drug could help the soldiers talk about their experiences to therapists.
Several victims of rape and sexual abuse with post-traumatic stress disorder, for whom existing treatments are ineffective, have been given MDMA since the research began last year.
Michael Mithoefer, the psychiatrist leading the trial, said: “It’s looking very promising. It’s too early to draw any conclusions but in these treatment-resistant people so far the results are encouraging.”
“People are able to connect more deeply on an emotional level with the fact they are safe now.”
He is about to advertise for war veterans who fought in the last five years to join the study.
According to the US national center for post-traumatic stress disorder, up to 30 percent of combat veterans suffer from the condition at some point in their…
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Click here to read the rest of the article

[fastandbulbous]

Anybody ever noticed how many of these drugs stories with a positive spin on them appear in the Guardian? They have the odd drugs scare story, but most of the UK broadsheets are less than forthcoming when it comes to putting 'mind bending drugs' in a positive ligh, but the Guardian plows it'sa own furrow...

Thank god at least one paper is willing to see both sides of the arguement

[AntiAimer]

What's dumb is every drug out there can be a healing and evil drug. It just depends on the person and what there looking for and how there body metabolizes the substance.

One may pop MDMA, just to feel the high while another may pop it for the high but also soul\mental healing. Releaseing or seeing things that couldn't be felt or seen by just being high on life. Or haveing great ideas that would have never been thought of without the use of there substance 'abuse'. IE. computers for instance\other technological advances or the great music that has been developed over the centurys.

Smurf see's the people who have posted only brung up the 'main stream' so to say research. Maybe personnel experience doesn't mean much, but even if one person finds healing or some type of postive effect that only came after a drug induced state from a certain chemical....then that drug has potential for medical use(setting aside the negative effects it can also have...with short or long term use and so on.) Whether the mainstream want to realise it\accept it. Smurf realises this doesn't help for legal issuses though, nor to get things 'perscripton only'. But it's still fact, no matter how bad a substance is, there's always a potential for more then just a 'high'. There has to be a line drawn, while research helps, nothing will ever beat personnel experience, everyone is differen't just like every drug is.

It's very sad what resources society is forced to be limited to.

[pankreeas]

IMO there can't be many people not doing any "real research". Just by simply going through processes to find different vendors, chemical names, effects, amount to order.. etc.. Then when funds are transfered, and swim's product is recieved, then the real research begins. Trip journals are for the most part (yes some are just ridiculous) but nonetheless are simply anecdotal reports by users
noting what came of their research. And just like with any teacher and student, you can't learn it all in a day. Whatever your "it" may be

[renegades]

fastandblubous said Anybody ever noticed how many of these drugs stories with a positive spin on them appear in the Guardian

I wish the American Press was that way, but they are not. Often overexaggerating a crises, they print scary stories with bold headlines about drugs to the American Public to alarm them into supporting more drug laws. Good examples are the presses handling of LSD, 5meo-dipt, and ecstacy. Also their editorals bascially boil down to lock the drug users up as the only solution to end the meth problem.

The press, congress, and the drug czar all want to persecute drug users; however the majority of the American People believe that it is not a law enforcement issue but is a health issue. Even with the press with its daily rhetoric regarding drugs, congress not dealing with the sentencing laws because Pelosi does not want to appear soft on crime until winning the white house and the drug czar saying marijuana does more damage than cocaine, with all of that, the American People are not buying it. Most want Nixon's Drug war to stop.

An example of the press beating the drums, the Washington State Newspaper printed a story on Feb 19th titled Meth battle sees new fronts then just two days later prints another story Meth trade not gone, just evolving. Just read the stories the Feb 19th aritcle starts off with "Here’s the good news: A year old state law making it harder to buy essential ingredients in making methamphetamine has substantially cut the number of toxic labs that used to plague Pierce County neighborhoods". and the Feb 21st story "Homemade meth is on the decline. Pierce County’s experience illustrates what’s happening across the country as meth cooks find ingredients harder to come by." Aren't they saying the same thing over and over again.

Just like the Iraq war, the press does not care about the results of their news stories, they don't care if a power vacuum will open up in Iraq when the US pulls out which will lead to 100,000s of Iraqs dead (that is a very low ball estimate) during the power struggle with Iran and between the sunnis and the shiites. Can't find one paper except the Washington Post, who has discussed this power vacuum issue. You anti-war protestors remember Vietnam, after the US pulled out you declared victory, but over 4,000,000 human beings were murdered in Cambodia and South Vietnam in the the mid to late seventies due to the power vacuum opening up when the US left Vietnam. You can't argue that point. Facts are facts. You anti-war protestors still feel proud knowing 4,000,000 people died due to genocide because of their anti - war movement. Swim always thought that anti-war movements want to minimize losses but the movement seems to cost more lives than it saves. It is positive that we saved a few thousands of American lives maybe even my own Dad's life, but ask yourself at what cost? 4,000,000 people murdered in less than a decade in two countries. That is horrific and history will repeat itself. Let me stress, no , swim is not a war mongerer and she feels that war should only be waged when all other options have been exhausted, however she just looks at the facts without all the emotions and sees the consequences of these actions. Oh back to the press, Just like the press don't care about their drug news stories and how they affect drug sentencing laws. They just don't care. All they care about is selling papers, and as a result of their recklessness and people tired of hearing the same drum beat over and over again source their news from other sources. The US Press circulation is down over 7%. The LA Times saw a circulation drop of 15% in one year.

[adzket]

ok all that said what about uses' that dont involve directly giving these, to atual living people or animals. but would be a legitimate use of these chemicals. of course sim thinks probably test'sinto toxcity and the like would have been done by now.

[terrapinzflyer]

There was an interview with Otto Snow in an issue of Erowid Extracts (last fall?) where he mentioned a lot of research going on with the synthetic cannabanoids. He mentions that it was generally being kept quiet because the researchers were afraid the substances would be restrictively scheduled before they could get real results.

Swim knows others in the fields have made similiar remarks regarding the effects of the US Analog Act - that researchers were keeping things hidden until they could publish definitive results.

So the turtle would guess there is probably more research going on then is visible, and that yes, the analog act (or the fear of it) is hampering legitimate research.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	thanks u make a very good point!
	yeah the analog act is definitely part of the reason