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Levels of Consciousness (Leary's model and possibly others)
Although I have been aware of Timothy Leary's 8-circuit model of consciousness for sometime, I have recently been doing more reading into it. I currently have no opinion as far as the scientific validity of this particular model (although feel free to express opinions at will). I am most interested in this map of consciousness because it lists specific drugs which are likely to bring people under the influence to higher/lower levels of consciousness. Here is an explanation of Leary's model:
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I know the drug community is polarized as far as their opinion of Timothy Leary and/or his ideas and contributions to the drug community. I have mixed opinions as well. However, I am curious as to what opinions people have on this particular theory. I'd like to know how people would modify this model more to their liking. In particular, I'd like to know what drugs you would add or subtract from each level of consciousness. If you would like to use a different map for levels of consciousness (chakras or what have you) then feel free to contribute these theories and also, if you wish to, explain how you (or someone else in theory) can access these levels. I'm just curious as to people's opinions on this site. Any contributions are welcome. |
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Yea I would like to hear some of the other member's thoughts on this. Complete BS? I wouldn't know where to start commenting on this, I don't have too much knowledge in this area. Progressive is almost too mild of a word to describe it lol.
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Also, here's a briefer break-down of the circuits if you don't want to read the entire above article (although this is advised):
The Terrestrial Circuits 1. The Biosurvival Circuit: Imprinted in infancy. Concerned with sucking, nourishment, cuddling, biosecurity. (Physical Intelligence) 2. The Emotional-Territorial Circuit: Imprinted in the toddling stage. Concerned with territorial demands, emotional power tactics, political domination-and-submission strategies. (Emotional Intelligence) 3. The Semantic Circuit: Imprinted by human artifacts and symbol systems. Concerned with handling the environment, invention, calculation, prediction, building a 'map' of the universe. (Conceptual Intelligence) 4. The Socio-Sexual Circuit: Imprinted by the first orgasm-mating experiences and tribal 'morals.' Concerned with sexual pleasure, local definitions of 'moral' and 'immoral,' reproduction, nurture of the young. (Social Intelligence) The Extraterrestrial Circuits 5. The Neurosomatic Circuit: Imprinted by ecstatc experience via physiological or chemical yogas. Concerned with neurological-somatic (body-brain) feedbacks, feeling high, somatic reprogramming. (Sensory Intelligence) 6. The Neuroelectric Circuit: Imprinted by advanced yogas. Concerned with reimprinting and reprogramming all earlier circuits, relativity of 'realities' perceived, cybernetic consciousness. (Psychic Intelligence) 7. The Neurogenetic Circuit: Imprinted by advanced yogas. Concerned with evolutionary consciousness (past and future), DNA-RNA-Brain feedbacks, Jung's 'Collective Unconscious.' (Mythic Intelligence) 8. The Neuroatomic Circuit: Imprinted by shock or near-death experience. Concerned with quantum consciousness, non-local awareness (beyond spacetime), so-called 'PSI' or 'magick' powers, illumination. (Spiritual Intelligence) |
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Oops, double post.
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I also have very little knowledge in this area but heres what i think. Whether or not it has any validity, we will probably never know. How could one prove anything that was said above? Im sure there are 100's of people that have gotten high on the various drugs mentioned and had experiences that relate to his descriptions but then again im sure there are 100's of people who have gotten high on these drugs and felt/saw/percieved nothing even close to what he described. It seems that most of how he explained these different brains is very vague and this allows him to connect seemingly non-related feelings and actions to evolution. I personally find it hard to believe anything without some sort of proof or without experiencing something for myself, so i vote BS for now. Maybe some future experience will change my mind but for now, no matter how interesting it is, i think it is BS.
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I just found a bit of a more scientific explanation of levels of consciousness. This article describes eight different levels of consciousness and while there is no mention of Leary, it is VERY similar:
Excerpt from Neurolinguistic Programming: An Integrative Model For States Of Consciousness by:Gordana Vitaliano , M.D.: Quote:
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Lear'y 8 Circuit model was never claimed to be more than a model-- "the map is not the territory." Nor was it intended specifically to be related to drug experinces, although it could be used a a sort of heirarchical scale to discuss psychedelics and other drugs. It was more concerned with (wo)man evolving into an extra-terrestrial phase. In Neuropolitics, Leary and Robert Anton Wilson allocated drugs to levels (as Leary had earlier in "Seven Tongues of God"). Leary originally worked on seven levels (the number seven is held to have 'sacred' import in many religions.) The eight level model was not invented by Leary, but rather picked up by him-- music is in octaves.... You have to take it with a pinch of salt, as with any theory. (Wilson loves number jokes as in 23.) It's said that Leary go the seven levels from Gurdieff. John Lilly did similar work with his Levels of Samadhi (from Gurdieff) in The Centre of the Cyclone, which are unusual in that he includes negative levels as well as positive. He certainly did want to describe LSD experiences. http://www.futurehi.net/docs/Samadhi_Levels.html Last edited by enquirewithin; 17-05-2006 at 03:05. |
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"To activate the first brain take an opiate. Mother Opium and Sister Morphine bring you down to cellular intelligence, bio-survival passivity, the floating consciousness of the newborn. (This is why Freudians identify opiate addiction with the desire to return to infancy.)"
I find that interesting however, I do not agree freud ideas of sexuality, or how he reckons children develop there sexual maturity. He also had great ideas and potentials about cocaine and that killed a close friend of his. |
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I recently found this:
http://community.livejournal.com/che...74.html#cutid1 Quote:
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Frued's friend von Fleischl-Marxow did become a cocaine addict. Freud thought that cocaine would cure him of his morphine addiction which he got from using morphine as a pain killer), but von Fleischl-Marxow died in pain, addicted to both coke and morphine. Freud was so interested in cocaine's psychoactive properties that he neglected its potential as a local anesthetic. |
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It's a shame that Leary can't be discussed in academia because of the stigma attached. I think that he was a highly intelligent individual, but that he was also an excitable person as well as a social person so he was over-eager and probably messed some things up. I need to read more RAW. I've only read Prometheus Rising and that's been awhile back. I also have a book sitting right by me called "Consciousness Explained" by Daniel Dennett. It's an excellent read, but again...it's been awhile. I've been contemplating looking through it again, but haven't yet. Another cool book I have on my shelf is Neurophilosophy by Paula Churchland...unfortunately my cat threw up on it before I had a chance to look through it. It's very technical though. It's funny that you mention "the map is not the territory"...I think that a lot regarding perception. We get a map of our environment as it is filtered through our senses, but our senses can be tricky things and do not necessarily present our surroundings in a truthful fashion. I also believe that levels of consciousness cannot be so cleanly cut as Leary presents. I was reading up some on Ken Wilber's ideas regarding consciousness and he describes it as overlapping waves. I know that Leary's model was detailing about a possible ascent into space and that's fine and dandy, but I'm more interested in how drugs/experiences relate to the levels. I would also be curious as to how different drugs affect brain-waves. I was listening to a guided meditation which employed theta waves the other day and I could definately tell I was in an altered state. I didn't mean to open this thread and then abandon it. At the time, I was thinking a lot about this sort of thing, and now I've become a bit preoccupied. I was planning on doing a lot more research and posting interesting findings as well as analyzing things a bit more. I still plan on doing this, but it's gonna be on the back-burner for a couple days at least. Good contributions though! Last edited by bewilderment; 18-05-2006 at 00:52. |
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Design for Dying, Timothy Leary with R. U. Sirius (1997), pp. 85-90. I hope this is useful: Quote:
(Lower doses of many drugs fit into may levels-- higher doses of say, LSD, will operate many levels simulataneously. I'm not sure where deleriants like atropine would fit. These circuits are also subdivided. Apparently Leary distanced himself from this model later on, as it was too neat, and he was concentrating on chaos theory. He developed it during his prison days, but many people think that this was a more intersting pahse of his thought than his later 'stand-up philosophy' and slighly strained cyberspace stuff (what could be more mundane than Microsoft and Bill Gates?). Last edited by enquirewithin; 20-05-2006 at 12:18. |
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Some very interesting ideas, while i dont believe them to be spot on accurate (as that is how theories should be interpreted), i believe these ideas are on the right path and should be researched more heavily. Really some groundbreaking kind of material. But still i ask myself, can one truely understand the mind?
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i was wondering the same thing, korky. i once read some quote by a psychologist that if our minds were so simple that we could understand them, we wouldnt have the motivation or ability to. something to that effect. my guess is that we're wired in more complex ways than we can fathom, and that maybe a full understanding of the human mind won't ever happen. which isnt to say that drugs aren't useful in exploring aspects of swim-self, but that maybe a full understanding cant be hoped for. just a greater understanding.
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There is a summary of the 8 Circuit Model on Wikipedia too.
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Re: Levels of Consciousness (Leary's model and possibly others)
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The reports I read were all from DMT sessions but now I'm seeing this also happens on high doses of LSD and Ketamine. Some mind blowing stuff, no doubt! An exert from DMT The Spirit Molecule. Quote:
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