How Many Days Between Rolls?

[Sandozboy]

I'd like to know how many days or weeks should be allowed between successfull X rolls...

I know that with Acid trips have to be spaced out for at least a few days in order to feel the full effects, but with Magic mushrooms successful trips are possible within 24 hours.

I also know that a lot of SWIM's are bingers of X who try to prolong a good trip by continually ingesting more, but from my experience 3/4 of a tablet provides an excellent roll for 10-12 hours and piling it on during or afterwards gives more of a meth effect than a psychedelic one.


Is rolling once every weekend to a small amount the best way to go?

[psychedelaholic]

Doesn't really matter how many days you take between rolls. Rolling once a weekend is probably a good idea (for your brains sake) but you can take pills a few days in a row if you want. SWIM has done this with no ill affects except a longer comedown but then thats what ketamine is for

Oh by the way you have to leave more than 24hours between shroom trips since you build up a really quick short term immunity. SWIM found this when he went to the 'dam and did shrooms 3 days in a row, by the 3rd day he couldn't even feel them even though they were the strongest variety available. You should leave at least 48hours if not a few days.

[Sick Jack]

I always heard that it was necesary to space each roll of at least 6 weeks in order to let the brain regenerate its cells and above all mantain the "magic" of the experience the same.

Nothing is good in excess....

[FrankenChrist]

Originally Posted by psychedelaholic

Doesn't really matter how many days you take between rolls. Rolling once a weekend is probably a good idea (for your brains sake) but you can take pills a few days in a row if you want. SWIM has done this with no ill affects except a longer comedown but then thats what ketamine is for

Oh by the way you have to leave more than 24hours between shroom trips since you build up a really quick short term immunity. SWIM found this when he went to the 'dam and did shrooms 3 days in a row, by the 3rd day he couldn't even feel them even though they were the strongest variety available. You should leave at least 48hours if not a few days.

^once a weekend, benders of several days, then ketamine. Terrible ideas

Here, check this topic.

How many pills do you swallow in a week?

[Nagognog2]

I concur - terrible idea. Preferably MDMA should be reserved for very special occasions in one's life. Taking it often will cause the "magic" to vanish - likely forever. You do need to give the brain a chance to balance it's level of serotonin, so at least a month or two is best. It can be taken weekly, but this will deplete the serotonin fully and cause one to feel like crap. Or worse.

[raven3davis]

MDMA is definitely a chemical that should be respected and taken only on special occasions. SWIM recommends taking XTC no more than once a month. Once every two months would be even better. That would mean taking XTC around 6 times a year. You have your whole life to live so dont rush into it. It can and will lose its magic. Just ask around. It may take a very long time to get the magic back so you best wait a month or two between doses!

SWIM knows people who have taken 100+ tabs without losing the magic and they took the drug quite often. Some people react differently, so be on the safe side and assume the maic will be lost. chill out for a while then roll balllllllz again w00t.

SWIM guesses the same goes for MDA if that is your cup of tea. psychadelics in general should be taken only on special occasions. Just because it will effect you a week after taking a dose doesnt mean you should be dosing again.

[xpr´k]

On the subject of 'losing the magic'.
Swim started using his beloved little pills again about a year ago, swim tried living by the 6 week rule in which he succeeded fairly well.
That is untill the first time swim bought in bulk and had 4 partyweekends in a row.
Still this didnt take anything away from the experience for swim, swim even thinks all that 'your first pill is your best' is a myth. For him every time he did it he was totally blown away and he was always amazed at how good MDMA can make you feel.
He's convinced its because most of the time people are using pills that dont have good quality and/or dosage.
Swim got lucky you see, the first connection he found always sold pills that were hyped and labtested by many in holland. From this swim knew with some certainty he's never gotten anything aldulterated or anything dosed less then 112mg (from that dealer anyway).
After that 4 week partystretch swim has used several times feeling just as happy as his 'first time' and swim also had at least 4 weeks between parties.
What did change was his consumption itself, swim (pushed by his friends todo so) started taking more and more. The party before last he took 5 140mg pills in 8 hours time, leaving him in a non functional state for a few hours (not feeling bad, just to wasted to think speak or even fart).
Swim has also started using amphetamines to bridge the gap between pill parties, not that often but its happening more and more.
Last party though for the first time swims oh so beloved MDMA feeling wasnt there anymore. The euphoria was hardly there and he noticed alot less of the visual distortions MDMA used to give him. The shaky wondering eyes werent there anymore he could text on his phone without to much trouble.
Swim is sure of the quality of the pills he took, cause a not so experienced buddy of his saw people who werent there appear from the shadows after 2 of these.
Swim blames the increased dosages he's been taking more then the time inbetween cause he obided that rule fairly good.
He also suspects his usage of other amphetamine type drugs might have had an influence. What amazed swim the most was how the magic was just suddenly gone while the party before that was just as good as ever. There was no decline, it just wasnt there anymore.
If you really like your MDMA you gotta threath it like a very expensive whine and only use it on special occations and take your time to appreciate the flavour instead of just pooring as many down your throath as you can.

ps: the day before his last MDMA experience swim had done shrooms, he never heard of shrooms having a cross tolerance with MDMA but if he's wrong he'd love to hear it.

[Dogears]

I think weekly use of MDMA drugs is probably a bad idea in the long run. I would recomend spacing out MDMA trips by a least a month.

A friend of a friend of mine has a wide range of experience with many drugs, particularly psychedellics. It is his opinion that the MDMA family of drugs are unusually powerful drugs that should be used with great care. It concerns him greatly to hear about such things as people taking 5 pills in eight hours.

[big-lester]

Originally Posted by xpr´k

ps: the day before his last MDMA experience swim had done shrooms, he never heard of shrooms having a cross tolerance with MDMA but if he's wrong he'd love to hear it.

SWIBL also had something like this, he had done mdma one night, and the next day he had some copelandia cyanescens (one of the strongest shrooms around), and he didn't feel a THING of the shrooms, and this wasn't the only time something like this happened to SWIBL, a friend of SWIBL also had this last friday, she did E on friday, then ate some psilocybe azurescens the next day, and she felt nearly nothing. but the weird thing is, SWIBL has done the hippyflip (E + shrooms)plenty times, and there was no cross tolerance at all, actually it seemed like the E made the shrooms more potent than normal (same with acid)

and about the time between rolling, from what SWIBL has heard, it's best to leave at least 2 months between your rolls, the best would be 3 months cuz then you have the "full" effects of the E, so you serotonin is at it's best after 3 months (from what SWIBL has heard)

[dnb warrior]

swim thinks you can sustain rolling every weekend for a bit, but after a few months its gonna start to take its toll, the roll will become boring and predictable and you will feel depressed all the time.

swim doesnt believe in this "first pill's the best" either but thinks it is more to do with the length of time since last pill (set and setting also plays a big part)

swim was wondering though, as he is attending a festival (2 nights) in a couple of months time, if he trys not to drop any chikkas between now and then and for a while after, will it be ok/a good idea to take Es both nights? or possibly spend the whole weekend binging on the things... or will they have little effect the second night in a row, in which case he will save them for the second night?

[Psych0naut]

It might make the second night better for SWIY if he pre/postloades with 5-HTP or L-Tryptophan.That way he will refill some of his serotonine level so he will have a more euphoric feeling then if he wouldn't pre/postload.

[Jatelka]

Although it is always tempting to try to prolong the magic by taking MDMA 2 nights in a row it's a complete waste of time: The euphoria and body tingles aren't there and SWIJ always found herself chasing a feeling that simply wasn't going to happen. Not only was this frustrating it made the inevitable jittery/speedy aspects all the more unbearable.

At a bare minimum she needs 8 weeks between rolls to ge the effects she desires. If she leaves it longer then she finds that it's all the more magical when it does happen.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

..well it least I didn't know this:

I've read some stuff from PiHKAL:

say you take MDMA every 6th week, to keep the magic going. Then you can still take MDA in between. So you can take MDA and not get cross-tolerant. Sweeeet!

Exerpt:
"The fact that MDMA and MDA are not cross-tolerant strengthens the argument that they act in different ways, and at different sites in the brain."

suppose it's OK to post a source when it's not one where they sell stuff:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...ihkal109.shtml

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mmmm nice

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

that's if one assumes that MDA also can be used effectivly every 6th week or so

[turkeyphant]

The longer you can manage between dosing with MDMA the better. For the sake of your brain your body and your experiences.