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Old 24-04-2012, 05:45
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Generic Subutex

Kurt Cobain was recently asking me the proper method of injecting subutex and some other questions. He said he got the 54 411 imprint on the pill, 8mg of buprenorphine, generic version. He then tells me he took a quarter, put it on a spoon, added some water, and mixed until it was all dissolved. He then used a cotton swab to filter it into the syringe, and repeated this a second time. He said the solution was much clearer than before. He then proceeded to inject it and said it was quite a decent little high(probably since there's not a lot of opiates where he's at). Now does anyone have any suggestions for Kurt on how to improve this method, or any warnings. He said he has heard that even when filtered, it's not good for your veins, so he said he's just doing this one 8mg pill. He was also wondering if it caused W/D's when IV'ed when one has opiates in their system. He assumed this isn't true because there isn't naloxone, but he's not too familiar with buprenorphine. Any questions, comments, and concerns would be appreciated as Kurt is quite curious.

PS: Kurt says Courtney Love hired someone to kill him. I hate that vial piece of shit.
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Re: Generic Subutex

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He then tells me he took a quarter, put it on a spoon, added some water, and mixed until it was all dissolved. He then used a cotton swab to filter it into the syringe, and repeated this a second time. He said the solution was much clearer than before. He then proceeded to inject it and said it was quite a decent little high(probably since there's not a lot of opiates where he's at). Now does anyone have any suggestions for Kurt on how to improve this method, or any warnings. He said he has heard that even when filtered, it's not good for your veins, so he said he's just doing this one 8mg pill.
Kurt certainly is right here. Intravenous injecting of dissolved pills is no good idea because all of the inactive ingredients. Using a cotton swab (even twice) does not filter the icroscopic particles that will get stuck in your veins of lungs and heart and brain, thus producing embolisms, stroke or heart attack.
Add this to the fact that pills tend to be touched by people with unclean hands, leaving spores, germs and virii on them.
For sterilising there is not much you can do at home, but for filtering you might want to use a wheel filter from a chemical supply store. Even at some needle exchanges wheel filters are available.
We have lots of threads on safer injecting, so I advise you to look for them for exact info by doing a UTFSE:
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He was also wondering if it caused W/D's when IV'ed when one has opiates in their system. He assumed this isn't true because there isn't naloxone, but he's not too familiar with buprenorphine. Any questions, comments, and concerns would be appreciated as Kurt is quite curious.
NO.
Buprenorphine will give you withdrawal on its own, injected or not, when you beforehand have opiates on your receptor sites.

Usually, and be sure to tell this to Kurt, you first do the research and then proceed to take drugs of any kind.

Tell him to be safe, he has put his life at risk with injecting insufficiently filtered pills.

TBBW
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Old 24-04-2012, 07:05
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Re: Generic Subutex

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Kurt certainly is right here. Intravenous injecting of dissolved pills is no good idea because all of the inactive ingredients. Using a cotton swab (even twice) does not filter the icroscopic particles that will get stuck in your veins of lungs and heart and brain, thus producing embolisms, stroke or heart attack.
Add this to the fact that pills tend to be touched by people with unclean hands, leaving spores, germs and virii on them.
For sterilising there is not much you can do at home, but for filtering you might want to use a wheel filter from a chemical supply store. Even at some needle exchanges wheel filters are available.
We have lots of threads on safer injecting, so I advise you to look for them for exact info by doing a UTFSE:

NO.
Buprenorphine will give you withdrawal on its own, injected or not, when you beforehand have opiates on your receptor sites.

Usually, and be sure to tell this to Kurt, you first do the research and then proceed to take drugs of any kind.

Tell him to be safe, he has put his life at risk with injecting insufficiently filtered pills.

TBBW
Thanks for your advice, Kurt really appreciates it. He understands harm reduction and all that shooting pills is dangerous etc, but Kurt has also shot Roxy 30's and never had any problems. This subutex hasn't caused him any problems either, but is subutex more dangerous than other pills for some reason.
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Re: Generic Subutex

SWIM has tried for 2 weeks with this new Hi-Tech pharmaceuticals(which walgreens seems to be supplying now) pill which is very small and has a very small amount of fillers. The Roxan generic huge pill is just nasty. The best choice is to use a wheel filter which will ensure you will get pure buprenorphine. But they are expensive and if you choose this as a long term solution swim heard it becomes annoying by ordering and expensive.

SWIM used just cotton but balled it up tightly 8 small balls with water and squeezed and used 1 for each 1ml(you can tell with the cotton is jammed) i then take the cotton out and squeeze it to put any lost liquid and repeat. (FYI make sure you hands are constantly rubbed with alcohol anything you touch or is touched you can get infected by anything, not just the pill is dangerous)

But in the end, i never received any high what so ever. Maybe a little faint for a second but thats IT.

SWIM think's the reason most people IV is because they just "like" the ritual of injection, seeing blood and psychologically addicted to thinking you are going to get heroin reward. SWIM has retired from injection. One mess up and you hit an artery and you are in some big trouble. Your veins can take substances, your arteries and capillaries cannot!

put them under your tounge man or go to mexico and get yourself some amps for when you want to shoot up. Otherwise, even if you make no mistakes, your arm is gonna look like shit, and its summertime man.

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