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Old 06-05-2006, 20:05
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Tool, evolution and magick

From the “hologram” version of Tool’s album “AENIMA”

"The anesthetetic state produced does not fit into the conventional classification of stages of anesthesia, but instead produces a state of unconsciousness which has been termed « dissociative » anesthesia in that it appears to selectively interrupt association pathways to the brain before producing somesthetic sensory blockage. In constrast to other anesthetics, protective reflexes, such as counghing and swallowing are maintained under anestesia. Variations in body temperature may occur. Although some salivation is occasionally noted, the persistence of the swallowing reflex aids in minimizing the hazards associated with ptyalism. Single intramuscular injection usually has a wide margin of safety select patience. Fasting prior to induction is not essential; however, when preparing for elective surgery, it is advisable to withhold food for at least six hours prior to administration. Restraint in subhuman primate neonates is difficult to achive. The recommended restraint dosages for the following are : Papio cynocephalus, Pongo pygmaeus, 5 to 7.5 mg/kg; Aotus trivirgatus 10 to 12/mg, Macaca fascicularis 12 to 15mg/kg. A single intramuscular injection produces restraint suitable for TB testing; radiography, physical examination or blood collection. To reduce the incidence of emergence reactions, subjects should not be stimulated by sound or handling during the recovery period. Apnea, respiratory arrest, cardiac arrest and death have occasionally been reported when used in conjunction with sedatives or other anesthetics. Close monitoring of patients is strongly advised during induction, maintenance and recovery. Timothy Leary identified a genetic type whose future circuits have begun to be activated and coined the FUTANTS. Futants are naturally selected to facilitate survival by being better adapted to explore the future and take risks through their genetic characteristics. Unless we provide a proper environment of freedom in which this positive genetic type can be recognized, operate in, and the dross be separated from the valuable information, we will be depriving the race of a vital resource. Every time a scientist, philosopher, artist, or athlete pushes our thresholds to new ground the entire race evolves. Ritual Magik is a system of disciplines and exercises aimed at activating parts of the mind we might normally never use (about 85%). Through this system a better understanding of ourselves is attained. No true Ritual Magician has ever sacrificed life, drank goat’s blood, or taken part in any other stupid urban legend ritual. This sort of behaviour is left to the psychotic, dogmatic fundamentalist believers you see on your T.V. everyday letting off bombs and killing people in the name of God. Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functionning mind is clinically dead. – Believe in nothing…"

A quote of James Maynard Keenan (Tool's singer) found on toolpantheon.com :

"I think psychedelics play a major part in what we do, but having said that, I feel that if somebody's going to experiment with those things they really need to educate themselves about them. People just taking the chemicals and diving in without having any kind of preparation about what they're about to experience tend to have no frame of reference, so they're missing everything flying by and all these new perspectives. It's just a waste. They reach a little bit of spiritual enlightenment, but they end up going, 'Well, now I need that drug to get back there again.' The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug."

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Old 07-06-2006, 19:56
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How come all the great minds always end un in discriminating life ?

Why would a human think that ritual magic witout sacrifice is less worse thant with it ? I think a few people are going to wake up one day and wonder what kind of stupid shit they got into... what a sad joke !

The trick is tu use drugs ?! How come people can be so stupid and intelligent at the same time ?

well I would share more, but I don't want everyone to go crazy about it... reading such makes me angered.

Well I don't want at all...

Namase,

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Like with all the 3 posts I've read from you thusfar, you lost me there.
Why do you think ritual magick is discriminating life?
Why would ritual magick without sacrifice not be better than with?

The trick is to use drugs? Well, one can easely do without. But I do not see the left hand path (The short cut if you will) up the three of life, as stupid. It depends upon the person. There is much to gain and much to loose.
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swim isn't even sure what "discriminating life" is..but he IS with alfa in that the short cut isnt necessarily stupid, or cheating. swim knows many people who have had positive life changing experiences with drugs, so their effects are not all negative (although the negative experiences can happen when one is not careful)
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It's funny to read your message as your signature says : And death shall have no Dominion. And you talk about shortcuts, shall I talk about short-circuits, aren't we electo-magnetic ? I never said drugs were purely negative, I see them as medicine ! It's not about cheating... just physical ascension dosen't work this way, there is no shortcut, just people hallucinating.

I didn't say neither that ritual magik is discriminating life, I said great minds seem to always end up in that shitty loophole and start babbling about useless ideas.

Honestly ; what would ritual magik would be for ? Who needs rituals really ; we have nature's own, do I really need to say everything ? I mean lets party alright, lets celebrate the people !

Ritual magik is all the same patterning ; you ritualise to enhance a manifestation ; a goal ; or just the land. But if you are thinking about doing magik as you ritualise ; you alienate because your toughts can simply not drift towards unity thinking due to ego-mind alteration choregraphy, this is simple logik to me, thus there is always a sacrifice somewhere.

Thus the same thing happens as you ingest a substance thinking it will lead your way up the tree of life ! Good thing to do seems to take the medicine and lightly enhance the body's abilities and leaving enough room for soul to perform. I'm not pretending to be the Father, and I well know I cannot morale adolescents, let alone adults !

Hope this answers your questions !

Namase,

Ahu
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Why would a human think that ritual magic witout sacrifice is less worse thant with it ? I think a few people are going to wake up one day and wonder what kind of stupid shit they got into... what a sad joke !
I think sacrifice, in this context, refers to killing another living being, which some might find morally inappropriate since you are fucking someone else over for your own gain. And by doing so you are acting as if your destiny or development or whatever you want to achieve by it, is more important than the destiny, etc. of the being you are sacrificing.
What could be gained by sacrificing an animal or human that couldn't be achieved without sacrificing them? This is a serious question, because I can't really think of anything, but if you can, please share.
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I didn't say neither that ritual magik is discriminating life, I said great minds seem to always end up in that shitty loophole and start babbling about useless ideas.

Honestly ; what would ritual magik would be for ? Who needs rituals really ; we have nature's own, do I really need to say everything ? I mean lets party alright, lets celebrate the people !

Ritual magik is all the same patterning ; you ritualise to enhance a manifestation ; a goal ; or just the land. But if you are thinking about doing magik as you ritualise ; you alienate because your toughts can simply not drift towards unity thinking due to ego-mind alteration choregraphy, this is simple logik to me, thus there is always a sacrifice somewhere.
seems like you have all the answers right there man ... teach us ...

i hope you realise that every word you say is YOUR ego and YOUR truth - NOT THE TRUTH.

it's not because one person does meditation another will benefit the same effects - and it's not because your view on subtsnaces is somewhat coloured - that every body is following the wrong road.

dude - swim loves the substances and they still help. and your opinion on swim situation just doesn't FIT ... meaning - you are wrong in swim life stuation. it does help him got up the tree ... to say it in your words.

btw - namasTe means - honre the god within - as does entheogenic ... like in etheogenic substances.
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Namase is a variant meaning rather your divinenesses are all welcome, as a timeless greeting. Yes I invented it !

You see I don't have an opinion on SWIM really ; I'm just saying stuff which might help other people realise the futility and danger of some kind of acts in life. I'm just sharing ideas and of course I know ; which is why I precised in my post : "One of my truths" my toughts are not mine thus you will see myself contradicting my ego all the time and this dosen't bother me at all, I'm still clearly communicating.

There is no wrong road ; but I was adding nuances and precisions, soul walks all roads. Psychedelic experiences might brighten your mind somewhat ; some people will say that they needed it, I probably even needed it in my distant past but hey I'm not god ! If I knew better at that moment I would never have taken such dosages (definately go for the medicine not the drug) and would have had the same progress. Meditation will benefit everyone because it's the nature of the mind to be scarce and unconscious ; I think we can well see this in society. Meditation (learning the third eye focus) can be done anywhere ; I don't mean like sitting and doing nothing, although it might help unlock inhibitions.

ENTHEOGEN

theo=god, spirit
gen=creation
Substances which generate god or spirit within. Peyote or psilocybin mushrooms are traditional examples of this.

Sunyata :

Ritual sacrifice is achieved because bioelectricity is released when the soul quits the body so to say ; the goal of the ritual is to use geomancy and choregraphy to pull that energy into a spell. Of course there are those who will consume the sacrifice and then use the hormones of the body to enhance their own energy level, I hope I am really dreaming this out, ya know I am. You see I say that there is always a sacrifice somewhere because there is no "free" energy ; such a concept is confused and I'm sure everyone pretty much agrees on this now ! So the same process happens only as you ritualise since you are yourself with your ego doing a toughtful procession which makes you step over your higher self's destiny. Alienation however you flip it around at will always follows the same logic, freewill.

I am a player of bansuri for example ; and I feel my music wouldn't convey half as much love if I were to put upon it words which will always trigger toughts which will always trigger distortion if the goal is "ascension". And this is the purpose of my communication, that nuance. The ascension I am talking about includes evolving the body human, yes larger head big belly, new glands and hormones... transcending aging. Thats what humans need ; not some pesky rituals to try (perhaps even without awareness) to mingle into cosmological politics.

Of course this is one of my truths, I am well open to clear questions !

Namase,

Ahu
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