How high do people get? What are they looking for? Food for thought. (mmm munchies)

[decliningdruguse]

When SWIM smokes he can get high whether its one hit or a bunch. He can never guage if he is higher off a few hits or awhole lot. Well I mean, he can, but like can be high no matter the amount he may smoke.

Where does one try to get to when they smoke? What high is one looking for, or usually acheive?

SWIM says being high is really weird when you sit down and think about it. SWIM used to smoke very regularly. Only has been smoking for 2 years, but did indeed take it up quickly. He does not smoke that much and has been cutting down and in the past 4 months can count about 5 times that he has smoked. Before this time he was smoking multiple times a week in the fall and everyday in the summer, (just a guage for the past year) etc. He is not trying to prove his credability as a stoner, just wants to be understood that he is not some brand new smoker.

He feels he is burnt out already. Not physically or mentally, just finds pot as a hinderance rather than a recreation. He is not dissapointed. He enjoyed smoking alot, taking mushrooms every now and then. Now if he smokes he feels so much more different, and thinks way different. He is not trying to be romantic with Mary Jane anymore, infact the breakup of the relationship has basically ensued.

But he now wonders where people are at while they are high. Is there a perception you hold?

I tended to become more of a quiet type, and when swim was new to smoking, never understood those types of people, but here he is, one of them. Which is fine. Sometimes you percieve things right and sometimes you percieve them wrong. He tended to observe things rather than talk and whatnot. He enjoyed listing to stories and just not being serious. And he wondered why people would smoke and be serious, or talk about other people. He found it hard to speak up while high and just let most things go, sometimes feeling awkward for not speaking up on things he either didn't want to hear or didn't want to do. He always took people at face value and probably did not really understand sarcasim while high, when while sober this was his favorite form of humor. He was very trusting of what people said and told him, he did not question the validity.

How do others guage themselfs? Where do they like to be mentally while high? SWIM perfered his own little world, or to be laughing, or not think about the rest of shit, or to be blown away by a great story, or learn about something he once did not know about the world. He liked to just hang out, not really do much. Enjoyed arts, a funny tv show.

He knows now he never really did what he wanted while high, he just blindly followed alot of times. I am all for one to do as they wish while they are high, I'm am in no manner trying to control situations. This is just SWIMs experience.

Swim found others seemly to not be in the spirit of Mary Jane in a sense, kind of hard to explain. SWIM can be high on seemly small amounts becuse of where he goes and how he feels, thinks, reacts, where as other people don't seem to do this and often times they may think thats weird. They may feel like can "smoke a whole haystack." Whatever, SWIM was not into ego while high, he noticed many people are, its gotten lame to burn one down with others.

Somepeople talk nonstop cuz SWIM thinks maybe they are afriad of silence, scared to hear what thier high mind says. SWIM dunno.

Anyone wanna weigh in? SWIM thinks this could provide for some very interesting discussion. Hope this is the right forum. He's not against any of it, not like that at all, he just wants to hear what others feel, have to say, and think about the subject.

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	good thread
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[lilsteve]

My friend's telling me he hates it when people do that. Keep smoking like in a contest or something. He was once hanging out with a dealer and two other guys when they decided to roll three broom-handle blunts. My friend normally smokes a bowl, even schwag, just cause it's enough to get him where he wants. Well obviously while passing around these monstrous blunts, he got to the point where he was glad to watch these strangers do as they might. Nah bullshit, he had the giggles cause he couldn't believe what these guys were talking about. So one of the other guys got the giggles along with my friend, and the dealer called him out, all trying to act macho and thug "Whats the matter W, did I say soemthing funny?"
My friend at that point decided to go inside cause he didn't feel like competing for dominance. He says thats when he realized how people use smoking for competition, like basketball for example. Before then, he used to get "too high" when smoking with new people, and he realized that he was just in an uncomfortable/new social situation. I think it makes perfect sense to me. Since then when my friend smokes he can hang out with strangers and keep up a conversation, and he knows not to take everyone so seriously cause there are some foolish people out there.

That's not to say that pot smokers are foolish people. Just that EVERYONE is a foolish person :wink: Just do your own thing.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM likes to get high enough to get the munchies, have a bit of a laugh and enhance watching TV, playing computer games or listening to music. Even if SWIM has had a really bad day, a quick puff of strong MJ cheers him up instantly more-or-less. SWIM realises that a lot of long-term smokers tend to drag themselves down, think about smoking's connotations too much and basically drive themselves into a depression. If this is the case, quit smoking. It's not like it's addictive or anything, there's no excuse.

[E_Pleasure]

WOW... SWIM can really relate to SWIY, dealingdruguse! SWIM has always wondered how others could talk so much and have such conversation while high. Although SWIM doesn't get high off of just a few hits. For SWIM he can feel the effects but hes just too sober to really enjoy them. He enjoys listening to others conversations. And is sometimes asked why he is so quiet and has a hard time finding what to say. However now that SWIM thinks of it he can recall smoking with his childhood friend and remembers being fried and having an AMAZING time, and being talkative... perhaps it has somthing to do with oposing personality types, and how these types get along when they are under the influence of marijuana. I consider myself to be a rather laid back individual around aquaintances but to be of the most open and outgoing people in the world when around people who I get along with extreamly with. However recently, SWIM has moved and hasn't met anyone who he can get along with as well as his childhood friend he mentioned earlier. SWIM is deffently thinking about visting his old friend now since he only lives about 30 minutes away.

[E_Pleasure]

This thread has made me realize just how important it is to have true friends in your life. Thank you.

[IHrtHalucingens]

SWIM has always had day time high and night time high. Day time high is like when you hit a few bongs every 20 mins or so to stay at that energetic but still pretty high stage where he has the mental and physical energy to go for a hike, or go canoeing, or anything outdoors where he can really enjoy being high. Night time high is when he likes to smoke a fat blunt and get very very high, where he just sits around doing nothing besides being a lazy pothead. SWIM has come to enjoy day time high much more than night time high, he feels like there is much to enjoy about all the stages of being high, and doesnt like the thought of missing out on all thats in between soberness and being really high. Day time high is much better for being social, thats when swim likes to see lots of people and interact, whereas night time high makes him want to not talk to anyone really besides the occasional comment to one of his buddies who he just got high with.

[Sickman]

Interesting dichotomy between "daytime high" and "nighttime high."

I agree with you about being active while stoned--it's a lot more fun, although sometime this results in SWIM taking a little nap at 7pm in the evening!

SWIM does not like to get high to the point that SWIM cannot interact socially or hold a conversation. Being baked out of swim's gourd and watching Adult Swim is fun at times but interacting with cool people is generally more enjoyable.

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agreed, interacting while high is much fun

[jduba]

as far as activity while high...its a must! Swim feels that when smoking sitting or being lazy is such a waste of good bud and a possible great story to be told. swim is the type to smoke just enough (nice size joint) and be content for a couple hours. the only thing that swim finds can hold him back is if he consumes too much and gets paranoid which is soon killed with a benzo or adderall. Swim thinks mary jane is and can be aklmost like a life enhancer at times but is merely a drug and shouldnt be looked toward as a friend/companion in life and most def not used as a crutch... drugs can be wonderful things if we treat them as well as ourselves with respect.

[pokeymcsmot421]

wow, nice thread man, its gunna take awhile to even try and address all of that....

SWIM definatly has a different oppinion on the subject however, maybe not so much a different oppinion as just a different personality type, but anyways... as far as background goes swim is one of those people that smokes, well basically all of the time, again not saying this for ego reasons, just trying to give an honest view from the other perspective.

Swim agrees that it is often hard to guage how high one is and almost finds smoking two of anything in a row to be a bit wasteful. However different methods of smoking certainly acheive unique highs for swim and he truly enjoys smoking say a few gb's than a joint....

that brings me into your question of what are people looking for when they smoke, well for swim the answer to this is very different almost every time. It could be a couple quick hits to motivate swim to pull his ass out of bed on the weekends, It could be that all week swim was looking forward to matching a few guys broomhandle blunts on friday night. For swim the one and true answer (suprised hes the first to say this) is that he truly enjoys being high.....for swim it does not feel akward and wierd like for some people, his general personality does not change (no matter how much smoked), He has never felt mentally burnt out from long term smoking. (not talkin about too much at once leavin you tired with a headache)

I think basically what swim is saying is his perception does not alter nor does pot hinder him from daily activity, in fact somewhat the opposite. Swim often uses pot as a reward to himself for doing something well. I.E. "I'm gunna go in work hard, fulfill an obligation, whatever... than get high to reward myself" kind of attitude...or the reverse psychology of this wont be so bad if I smoke one first and just go and get it done. ( I know what your thinking and no it does not hurt swims performance of any daily routine. i.e. driving, working, math, remembering chores, etc etc.) this is a function of tolerance, dont say no way when I smoke one I cant drive anywhere Id stop paying attention to the road and crash....maybe you would, its different from person to person, actually quite the study showed chronic smokers to be less culpable in car accidents....the same did not go for "non chronic smokers" hence all of the marijuana driving statistics. See they make sure to run these tests on people who normally dont smoke pot to acheive the negative results so often publicized. (but thats another story)

Swim doesnt always do what he wants while high either, but certainly no less so than if he was sober, I mean lets face it theres things in life you dont wanna do and not smoking won't change that. Sometimes sacrifices must be made for friendship i.e. your lightweight friend wants to go see a lazer show at the planetarium cuz hes ripped off his ass or some goofy thing and you go with.... not because you wanna go to the damn planetarium but because hes your friend....I guess that could be considerd blindly following, but i dont think thats what your talking about.

Herd mentality is far different and more of a personality trait in swims oppinion. Perhaps a personality trait that is greatly exaggerated by pot smoking and may even lead one to smoke pot in the first place.

I guess I'm one of those people that "thinks he could smoke a whole haystack" so to speak, but the reality of the matter is that it is not an ego thing, Tolerance does exist and it is very real. If you smoke 5, 6 times a day like swim it will take you more to get high, and bottom line is no matter how much you smoke your not gunna be as high as johnny comelately who just smoked his first joint this week.....this explains the guy who got giddy and his dealer friends bitched him out (not saying its cool to rag on lightweights) just explaining why they were still acting normal and you weren't....granted there dicks for picking on you for it. (they were jealous, believe me)

If you dont believe it...
I bet one of your macho friends has been on probation. Ask them how high they got the first time they smoked after quitting for piss tests?

the answer is damn high! guaranteed, hell if swim dont smoke all day and only smoke before bed he gets SIGNIFICANTLY higher..... i guess thats my thoughts....solidly, where are you on this!?!?

[dnb warrior]

after 2 years of smoking weed every day, swim does not like it anymore in most situations, but is addicted and can't stop. swim hates all the effects of weed except the euphoria, the high.

the one situation where swim loves to smoke weed is after a night out or at the end of a party... to wind down at the end of a social event. it is a perfect end to a night. but he will try never to smoke during the day or during the peak of a party... this will make him self-conscious. even after only a small amount swim finds it hard to have conversations, and feels a desire to be somewhere where he can lay down and chill with no pressures and no one around til the effect wears off.

unfortunately in these situations despite swim's best attempt at passing on the grass, he often cant resist a toke if one is offered to him. the only reason swim still smokes mj is because he is addicted to that mild feeling of euphoria and without it sometimes feels empty.

it is amazing how some people are able to function normally under the influence, while others arent. swim is not a new smoker although less experienced than many here he has noticed a tolerance building up in that the euphoria/high is much less strong than it used to be and he has to smoke more than in the past. but he finds the awkward feeling is there even when he smokes very small amounts.

i realise that swim needs to end his relationship with mj sooner rather than later, but has not found it to be as "non-addictive" as what people say.

[pokeymcsmot421]

if swim ever found himself in such a situation and decided he no longer wanted to smoke he would suggest a few things to help you stop.

since weed is not physically addictive these steps involve keeping your mind pre occupied. Whenever you feel the temptation to smoke or just need to kill some time in a not smoking fashion some of these may help.

1. exersize, if feeling absolutely desperate to smoke exersizing will release endorphins which are basically a drug on there own. Suggest this to replace that at night smoke ur havin trouble with.....if you still absolutely cant sleep perhaps a tylenol pm, for the first couple nights after that youll be fine. Wouldnt go tylenol pm more than a week, itll end up a worse addiction than the bud ever could be.

2. read books, this is more of a time passer for when your not really craving but bored.

3. food, a good meal is very satisfying and it sounds like you'd actually enjoy it more than a few tokes. food can easily be as pyscologically addictive as weed. (*keep it realistic* fast food is killin as many people as cigs now days, dont replace one addiction with a more dangerous one.)

4. sex, of course if possible .lol. definatly more enjoyable, rewarding, and psychologically addictive....and if your a guy and can maintain a sex addiction well, good for you.

5. when offerd a toke you must remember that you do not enjoy being stoned and it will make you socially akward...if this is really true it should be easy to refuse. if your friends goat you on just explain its not that you dont want to and its nothing against them. they'll be fine with it.

6. make sure to be generally healthy, make sure to get lots of sleep, DONT TURN TO WORSE ADDICTIONS, keep your mind busy, do the things you enjoy.

just remember its all in your head, and it sounds to me like you dont actually wanna smoke so your over half way there.

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Thanks for the tips, very informative and encouraging. :)