Purity - LSD: Blacklight explanation saught

[Herbal Remedy]

Swim has had some blotters on him that he suspects may be an RC but are being misrepresented as lsd. Swim has read on this site that the use of a longwave Blacklight will tell swim all he needs to know. But swim being the way he is, he always likes to back statements up with facts before he bases his decissions on him.

Swim was wondering if any of you knowledgeable and experienced chemisty heads might be able to help him understand the reason why a blacklight can signify a presence of LSD on a blotter. Swim has used the search function but has only come across several statements saying it will work, but none that say why it will work. Swim understands if there is no easy answer, he appreciates any replies the community can offer... peace...

[Pinkavvy]

Off the top of his head swip doesn't know the reason why the compound reacts to a longwave blacklight, but can assure you that it does. Real LSD will glow bright blueish if it's real. Be careful however, lately people have been putting stuff on white paper, which also glows under a black light.

[Nagognog2]

Likely this zwitterionic effect is from the amine-bridge on the lysergic acid molecule - but I'm not certain. But this is well-established. Just remember that the glowing under a blacklight-effect only tells you what is NOT LSD25. It will not conclusively prove that something is LSD25. No glow? Not. Glow? Might be.

[Herbal Remedy]

Swim appreciates the replies, He kind of assumed that swipink or swinag would have some words of assurance to offer thanks! Swim just wants to be careful because he find LSD to be a somewhat clean and not so dangerous chemical to partake in every so often, while he does not know much about RCs. Swim knows he is always taking somewhat of a risk when taking LSD, but for some reason he feels there is more at risk when abusing RCs (especially often)... maybe his worries are just plain sillyness, but its still on his mind... thanks again for the replies, peace...

-J

[Pinkavvy]

If it fits on a blotter the chances are it's either lsd, ald, DOx, or 5-meo-amt, or a fly compound. There's not much to worry about with any of those compounds except of course the 5-meo-amt, as people easily overdose with that. Swip has found ALD and DOC to be just as good or even better than LSD. Happy tripin, and good luck to you!

[ChemicallyBound]

<Likely this zwitterionic effect is from the amine-bridge on the lysergic acid molecule >

Not quite, the glow is flourescent emmision which occurs when the molecule absorbs energy from uv ( which is a property of molecules with alot of resonance going on in species such as indole/ pyridine/ phenol rings ) and is excited to a higher state then emits energy at a lower frequency , light.

Simply, the more resonance in a molecule = the greater the flourescense

[Herbal Remedy]

Originally Posted by Pinkavvy

If it fits on a blotter the chances are it's either lsd, ald, DOx, or 5-meo-amt, or a fly compound. There's not much to worry about with any of those compounds except of course the 5-meo-amt, as people easily overdose with that. Swip has found ALD and DOC to be just as good or even better than LSD. Happy tripin, and good luck to you!

Thanks! SWiHR always finds he has a funner/cleaner/happier trip after doing his research n such, and you've all contributed a great deal of that knowledge...

Originally Posted by ChemicallyBound

<Likely this zwitterionic effect is from the amine-bridge on the lysergic acid molecule >

Not quite, the glow is flourescent emmision which occurs when the molecule absorbs energy from uv ( which is a property of molecules with alot of resonance going on in species such as indole/ pyridine/ phenol rings ) and is excited to a higher state then emits energy at a lower frequency , light.

Simply, the more resonance in a molecule = the greater the flourescense

SWiHR was just wondering if more resonance = a Higher presence of the substance on the blotter? He really appreciates the reply, peace...

[Nagognog2]

Actually I recall reading somewhere the premise that the most unstable part of the molecule was at the bridge. But that was a long time back. For real fun with famous zwitters' try adrenochrome. Look at it funny in the flask and it's decomposed. Very pretty stuff.

[kemistudent]

Have you ever drawn on your walls with a bar of soap when you were playing hop skotch with the twins lisa and dawn? Cool how it glows aint it? Neet how when you turn the white light on you can't see a damn thing and neither can your parents. Turn it off with the black light on and your in trip heaven again.

What do you think causes the soap to glow in the blacklight? I bet the reason soap glows in the blacklight is a similiar explanation as to why LSD glows under a blacklight.

Another fun idea is to take the soap and place it in the microwave for a few minutes. lol.

[Nagognog2]

LSD25 does not have a fluorescein-based dye to make you look "whiter-than-white" - or other hokey, racist bull. I hope.

[grandbaby]

Would it not be prudent for regular users to look into Ehrlich's AKA
p-DMAB reagent? There's an awful lot of bunk floating around these days, I've heard, and the blacklight test (as well illustrated above) is not terribly reliable.

[Nagognog2]

The blacklight method will only verify if something is NOT LSD25. Other than doing that, it's pretty much useless for finding out what the monkey has in it's blotter/pill/fingernail-clipping...

The Keller Test works nicely for LSD25 - making a lovely shade of deep purple. Never tried the others kicking about. But here is a link that contains further info on the Keller test and others (scroll down):
http://designer-drugs.com/pte/12.162.../chapter3.html

[Herbal Remedy]

well, SWiHR got a blacklight and checked his tabs. Sadly, there appeared to be no glow whatsoever (nothing more than the usuall blacklight reflection). This confirms SWiHR's suspicions that these blotters are not LSD, but some other RC. SWiHR knows that there is some kind of active substance, as they produce a psychadelic effect, just not the same as LSD (less visuals, less potent, longer onset). Oh well, looks like SWiHR will just set these blotters aside and hope for the best this summer at the festivals. At least mushrooms are around, peace...

[grandbaby]

One should be able to get close to an identification of the chem on the tabs through reagent tests. Erowid has some preliminary information on Marquis results with RCs, and there is a thread either here or on Bluelight (can't remember which, maybe even both) that posts the results of a member's experiments with reagent testing on various RCs, which might be worth looking into. Just because it's not LSD doesn't mean you can't keep 'em around for use, but yes, it would be a very good idea to figure out what someone's got before someone takes it again.