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Old 29-02-2012, 15:10
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Snorting vs plugging?

Swims wants to know whats the most effective way to ingest hydromorphone.Swim gets higher when he snorts 10mg-20mg then if he would of plugged it.Is swim doing something wrong ?Of course iv'ing would be the most effective method swim did bang dilaudid on a couple of occasions but its way to risky.
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Old 29-02-2012, 15:48
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

My friend from Canada, my cat was in the same situation.
The cat found out plugging is the way to go for H.M.
Quite abit better than snorting.
Just the cats experence with this medication.
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Old 29-02-2012, 17:16
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

I think it's one of those 'your mileage may vary' things when comparing plugging v. snorting and hydromorphone.

Maybe when plugging, the syringe is being inserted a bit too far - one thing to remember is that the syringe only needs to go in about 1cm as this will allow the liquid to be absorbed by the vessels which bypass first pass metabolism.
If the liquid is absorbed further in, it is by another set of vessels which will circulate through the liver, and the results will be weaker, rather like ingesting them. I'm probably not explaining it too well, but it has to do with the structure of the rectum.

Best thing to do if plugging again is to mark the exterior of the syringe with something at 1cm (a plaster/bandaid or something that can be felt), that way its easier to tell when to stop inserting.

And well done for deciding to steer clear of IV'ing, particularly pills
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

Catseye pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I'll add my two cents here as well. I do have a few questions first, though. 10-20mg is a pretty wide range when dealing with hydromorphone; what is your average dose? What temperature of water are you using to plug? Are you crushing the pills as finely as you would to snort them before dissolving? Are they immediate or extended release hydromorphone? (I don't think the US has ER hydromorphone anymore, but I don't know about Canada.)

With those questions out of the way, I'll just lay it out there that my preferred method for consuming hydromorphone is plugging by far. But, as Catseye said, your mileage may vary. Some people just love snorting. You may be one of those people. If you're getting a satisfying high from that ROA, there really aren't a ton of reasons why you should be plugging instead other than trying to save your nose depending on how often you do it. If you want to try plugging again, however, here are some tips that you may or may not know. Other people might do it differently but I've found all of these things to help with the experience:

1. Make sure to crush the pills as finely as you possibly can, just as fine as you would if you were snorting them. Consider using a pill-crusher purchased at a pharmacy or a makeshift mortar and pestle.

2. Make sure you're using an oral syringe with a plug, not something with a "turkey baster" like set-up. I don't really know how else to describe it. You know, you don't want one that has a bulb at the end.

3. Use lukewarm water to aid in the dissolving of the tablets. Once the water and hydromorphone is in the syringe, shake for a while to make sure everything is mixed as evenly as can be.

4. Reiterating Catseye's advice, do not insert the syringe any further than necessary.

But, as I said, if you get your rocks off by snorting it, then go with God. I find plugging to be by far the more enjoyable ROA when dealing with this particular drug when done properly, but it takes some trial and error. And yes, good on you for choosing not to IV. Right choice.

Hope that helped some.
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Old 06-03-2012, 21:28
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

SWIM has tired both intranasal and rectally and finds them both good possibly favoring nasal but SWIM thinks he/she might of inserted too far so will have to try again and see if it affects the results. Also SWIM see a lot of ppl talking about how bad IVing is and SWIM doesnt know have any desire to do it but mainly wants to know why its such a bad choice when done properly? thanks!
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

Canadian, I have never IVed myself but there are a number of reasons why intravenous use is seen as such a poor choice even when done properly. Many addicts feel that switching to the needle was truly their "point of no return." Granted, there are also many addicts who have never IVed and have equally serious addictions to IVDU (intravenous drug users), but that still seems to be the general consensus. In addition, IVing carries the risk of transmitting all sorts of blood-borne diseases, including hepatitis and HIV. I have known more than one IVDU who was strongly addicted to a substance who started out staunchly using clean needles at all times only to share needles when clean ones were unavailable and they refused to take the drug via any other ROA because it was "not as good" and "a waste". One of those addicts contracted HIV and has since passed away after it developed into AIDS and he contracted pneumonia.

IVing also greatly increases one's risk of overdose, as it only takes about 15-20 seconds for 100% of the drug to enter and circulate your blood stream to reach the brain, as opposed to ~20 minutes for both snorting and plugging and up to an hour for oral use. People who IV and have survived overdose frequently tell stories of depressing the plunger and the next thing they know, waking up in the hospital in fits of withdrawal from a heavy dose of naloxone (in cases of opiate OD).

No form of drug abuse is safe, and there are plenty more reasons that IVing is generally seen as a particularly risky choice but I hope that sheds a bit of light on the situation.

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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

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SWIM see a lot of ppl talking about how bad IVing is and SWIM doesnt know have any desire to do it but mainly wants to know why its such a bad choice when done properly? thanks!
Some reasons off the top of my head:

Injecting increases tolerance, and fast.
Most people switch to IV'ing to save money - they find that as their habits get larger, it takes less when IV'ing so they save money. But this doesn't last for most people as their tolerance builds.

Injecting also produces a very quick, intense rush which is addictive in its own sense...its hard for many people to stop seeking that rush and go back to a more 'gentle' method such as smoking or even sniffing.

IV'ing arguably can also trigger needle fixation for some users, which makes quitting or reversing routes even more complex.

Injecting causes damage to veins and increases the risk of things like abscesses, DVT and endocarditis no matter how careful and correctly you inject. The skin is meant as a barrier to infection...repeatedly piercing it in a non-sterile environment (several times a day) will open the doors to infection. And veins are fragile, they just aren't meant to be jabbed over and over.

'proper' technique is hard to come by - most injectors have learned the hard way - through practice which knacks your veins, and from other injectors...some good, some bad. It's not like there are any classes in 'proper' IV'ing, or qualifications issued to those who have good technique - so its very hard to really know who is 'good' and who isn't when starting out.

I'm sure there are plenty of other things, but those are a few to think about. I'm glad to hear your friend has no desire to inject, and I sincerely hope s/he keeps to that.
Most injectors start out saying they would never pick up the needle, too...so please be careful.

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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

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And veins are fragile, they just aren't meant to be jabbed over and over.
Canadian, Catseye's post was dead on, but this is an especially good point. As I said, I myself am not an IVDU but I have a severe CP condition that unfortunately lands me in the ER relatively frequently even though I am under the care of a few specialists to try and handle my health. I have poor veins, so I usually need to have the IV put in my right hand. During a particularly bad stretch of time when I was in the ER 6 times in a 4-week period, that was enough to make that particular vein give out. Not everyone's veins are that sensitive, but poke em enough (even 100% correctly) and you're really going to screw things up in the long run.
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

Yesterday my cat plugged six 4mg ir. hydromorphone.
In all fairness, it was a bit tooo much for the cat...
Next time the cat will be much more carefull when plugging.
It hits so fast, its too quick too much.
The cat spent the rest or the next 24 hours swetting it out with a large banger also.
Plugging is fantastic, but please think ahead of time?
24mgs of ir hydromorph was way too much!
Next time the cat will be nuch more carefull when plugging H.M.
My cat plugged 24mg of H.M. contin and it was much smoother and safer.
Please be carefull.

In retrospect, my cat came pretty close to a plugg going terrably wrong.

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good first hand experience and and excellent warning about how quick plugging can come on

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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

My pet parrot (Gabe) just tried plugging for his first time. He has a small quantity of 30mg Hydromorph Contin capsules. Gabe took the capsule apart to find all of the little balls inside. He spent a goods 15 minutes grinding them down. Because it was his first time, he decided to only use half of the powder (15mg). He mixed it with luke warm tap water (5ml) in a tiny shot glass. After a few min, Gabe had a nice milky liquid, the he drew into a 10cc oral syringe. As he did this, there was quite a bit of "sludge" left over. He thought that was odd. He managed to take his rig apart, and get the sludge into the syringe, as he was not sure if it was filler/binder, or he did not make it fine enough. Gabe told me that it was as powdery as he could get it.

Question number 1. Did Gabe crush enough/properly?? Or was that sludge just some sort of time release coating.

Gabe got the tip of the syringe in place. Just far enough to say there was penetration. He pushed the plunger, and the sludge started to block the syringe. He pulled it out, repositioned, and tried again. He felt the cool sensation of water. After it was fully depressed, he waited a minute, clenched, and removed the syringe. It seems that all of the sludge was still in the syringe. He told me he was lying on his side in his bird cage. He checked to see if there was leakage, and there had been. It seems that all of the liquid had come out, and was on his little parrot couch. He waited a out 10 min, and did not seem to have any desired effects. Rather then try to plug again, he snorted what was left (about 15mg). There was a slight burning, and that was it. After 10 min, a fairly decent buzz had been achieved.

Any tips/suggestions I can pass along to Gabe for his next plugging attempt? If that dose gave him quite a desirable by snorting, he really wants to plug successfully.

To clarify, I was told that he has red capsules, that have Hydromorph Contin 30mg imprinted on them. They are from a Canadian pharmacy.
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

Thanks guys for all the advice. To be honest SWIM would never IV any opiate and is strongly against it unless its in a hospital setting for non recreational uses. SWIM was more just curious as to the pros and con s and is thankful for all the great responses. Also SWIM retracts statement that he/she prefers nasal over rectal. Once SWIM learned how to do it properly he/she realized it is the best non iv way to go other than it being a bit of a pain in the ass(pun intended) hehe.
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

So if my friend put the syringe in too far it was wasted? How doon can she repeat?
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So if my friend put the syringe in too far it was wasted? How doon can she repeat?


wait atleast 1hour to see if it hits ya it should hit you in 5 min or less tho.Dont redose to soon you could over dose and no it shouldnt be wasted just gonna be absorbed more slowly. 4mg is a good starting dose
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

Swim just plugged for the first time. He normaly snorts 6-10 mg of H.M. a time. Swim plugged 6 mg at first it kicked in very fast in 5 min it started in 10 min it was peaking, it was very nice, swim thinks it was even better then snorting, those that make swim a little gay??
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

Hi DrEvil89,

Since you're new, I'll go ahead and respond to you here. In the future, though, try not to resurrect threads that are 5 months old. If you look right above a poster's name in the upper left-hand corner of a post, you will see the date that the reply was posted. The last response thread was in August of 2012.

Also, please do not use SWIM any longer on DF. We are actively phasing out its use. You can read more about this on the ANNOUNCEMENT (that's a link) made by Alfa in October. This should be your last post using SWIM.

Are you sexually attracted to men? If yes, then maybe you're a little gay. If no, then plugging will not turn you gay and enjoying plugging does not automatically mean you are gay. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Homosexuality does not extend to the oral syringe you shove up your ass to get high. Lots of (ignorant) people think that if a man inserts something into his ass, that makes him gay, which is simply not true. I know straight guys who like getting fucked with strap on dildos by their girlfriends, and even that doesn't make them gay if they identify as straight and have no sexual attraction towards other men. Considering the fact that plugging is merely a method of drug consumption, you have nothing to worry about. Unless it is done with a partner and/or part of some fetishist sexual activity, IMO plugging is not a sexual act. It's just another way to get drugs into your system.

Think about it: if our noses were our genitals, we'd be having the same discussion about snorting.
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Re: Snorting vs plugging?

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Swim just plugged for the first time. He normaly snorts 6-10 mg of H.M. a time. Swim plugged 6 mg at first it kicked in very fast in 5 min it started in 10 min it was peaking, it was very nice, swim thinks it was even better then snorting, those that make swim a little gay??
The only thing that will make you gay, is being born with a sexual attraction to members of the same sex.

Plugging, or putting anything in your ass does not make you gay.
Not all gay men have/or like anal sex.
Not all straight men and women have/ or like anal sex.
Some people like anal sex, but it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation.

The male G-Spot in in the anus. Many men find prostate stimulation very pleasurable, but again it is not determined by their sexual orientation, nor does it mean they are gay.

There is a very immature reasoning made by ignorant people, mostly homophobic people, who think that putting something (drugs, toys, fingers etc) into the anus = gay.

The only thing that can classify a person as being gay (homosexual) is a sexual attraction to members of the same sex. Its that simple.

So no, unless while you are plugging your drugs you are getting aroused by imagining it is a guy entering you, then you are not gay, or even slightly gay.

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