- But aren't the alkaloids being dealt with, and supposedly destroyed by the previously mentioned heat, the same either way? I mean, pods and seeds both have morphine
codeine, and all the other opioids
in or on them
- Here's where people are getting confused about the whole boiling thing... I think it has to do with the maximum soluability AND amount of alkaloids in the water as well as how long it is heated, or even boiled, for. If someone's tea, seed or pod, were to boil for a very short time, I do not think it would be much of an issue. It's not like the water reaches 180 and every alkaloid
just stops working... Also, and this is just a thought I could be wrong, if there was enough alkaloid content in the water that it was more-than-saturated, like say there were twice as much alkaloid as there is water for it to bond with. It could probably be boiled for a slightly longer time, and because it takes SOME time to break down the alkaloids with heat, isn't it possible that water could be boiled with alkaloids in it, many would be destroyed/ruined, but because the concentration was so high in the first place it could still be at or above the maximum saturation point? I mean, You would be WASTING the alkaloids that were above the saturation point, but you would still end up with a solution that chemically saturated to the maximum, and thus still as strong as possible. That is if it was not boiled for so long that it DID destroy enough to drop below the saturation point, however long that is. Is my thinking correct? People say not to heat opiates
, and this is generally true as it will damage and destroy them.... I just think that considering how many cultures cook opium
and how many people have had poppy
tea boiled successfully, this issue is a bit more chemically complicated than many are treating it, and all your alkaloids don't just fall apart when they get warm.
- As for the Seeds, I had previously thought that they only had alkaloids dusted on them from being inside the pod, but last night I read a scientific journal report of some kind (I will try and find it again, I tried to cut and paste it but it was a bad format and ended up not pasting correctly, letters out of place, all fucked up. Anyway, it was from the late seventies that showed this to be true with some seeds, but not all seeds. If I read it correctly, only three varieties were used, and they all had alkaloids on the outside prior to washing. After washing, they were macerated and tested again, and while two of the seed-strains did not contain any more alkaloids, one of them still tested positive for amounts of morphine and codiene. Not gigantic amounts, but enough to feel pretty well. that might explain why some seed tea is better just shaken in warm water, but why Winky's dog walker had some seed tea that seemed to get stronger for the second wash (after it had steeped) and as his stomach broke it down? As he said, he was starting to think they were pre-washed seeds, maybe even a placebo at first, until he did his second run through them, and then the bitter alkaloids started to come out and he felt them. If the alkaloids were all on the outside of those particular seeds, wouldn't the first wash have been the stronger one?
- Yeah, it's a science, it's just a damned complicated one with lots of variables. that's the conclusion I am coming to...
- BTW, I think the less-processed, more organic brands of poppy seeds are more likely to be unwashed to begin with. I've had good luck with Bob's Red Mill brand, although I doubt Bob wants that endorsement...