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Cyclidines
The class of Cyclidines includes PCP (phencyclidine), TCP (tenocyclidine), PCPY (Rolicyclidine aka PHP) and MK-801 (aka Dizocilpine). There are many others. Information about PCP and Mk-801 can be found in this forum. Please post information about other Cyclidines here.
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There arent really any others that people are able to get their hands on. SWIM is currently trying to get a custom synth of deschloro-ketamine (ketamine without the chlorine on it, aparently, this woul make it more potent, and it would also reduce the posible places for deactivation)
He is also trying to get the 3-methoxyphenyl analogue of ketamine synth'd. Or maybe the butyl of PCP. Unfortunately, not many vendors are willing to get a custom synth for a single researcher |
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Where is the butyl group on your proposed butyl PCP analogue? Are you planning to substitute piperidine for butylamine? Also, the non-Chlorine Ketamine sounds like an interesting plan.... perhaps it would be a little easier to synthesise than normal K...
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Ketamine is not inactivated by any action at the 2-chloro group, so had chance to only have a slight effect of the kinetics of ketamine metabolism |
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Re: Cyclidines
well, to keep the attention back to the subject, here are the few ones I heard about:
-pcp related: PCE PCPy (aka PHP) TCP TCPy dizocilpine (aka mk-801) is also chemically related to pcp in some way, right? -ketamine related: tiletamine -dxm related (I know this wasn't the subject but I love dxm so if we talk dissociatives, then I must talk dxm): Dextrorphan (aka DXO) Levomethorphan (and Levorphanol) 3-Substituted DXM Analogs (possible substitutions listed in the dxm FAQ on erowid.org) I hope some days a creazy psychedelic chemist will investigate dissociatives analogues of pcp, ketamine and dxm more deeply. So I keep dreaming of reading DiHKAL, the new book by alexander shulgin (dissociatives I have known and loved)...unfortunately he says he doesn't like dissociatives so I don't think this is ever going to happen... Last edited by genaro; 13-02-2007 at 04:49. |
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Re: Cyclidines
SWIMs about to ask a dumb but hopeful question, you've been warned, as its so dumb hes gonna ask it in a dumb way. In the UK TCP is an antiseptic liquid easily available from chemists/pharmacy, is this the same TCP as mentioned in the first post? If so could and high be obtained from it if used similarly to PCP liquid? don't worry SWIM will defiantly be waiting for an answer before considering this further
Stupid question now over peacse |
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Ehh no...
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Re: Cyclidines
SWIM was hopefull, who wouldnt be if they thought they had come across 500ml bottles of a PCP like substance in any quantitly they wanted, Oh well never mind, SWIM would struggle to imagine smoking it anyway, lol
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Re: Cyclidines
Swim believes 4-MeO-PCP to be of significant interest. It is also legal (but may come under analogue laws in the US). It also looks relatively easy to synthesise.... definately one worth noting.
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Could someone please provide CAS#'s for all of these compounds.
Specifically of interest to me is the CAS# for the 4-meo variant. Please & thank you. )
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Re: Cyclidines
CAS numbers:
TCP - 21500-98-1 PCE - 2201-15-2 PCPy - 2201-39-0 CAS #'s for 4-MeO-PCP: 4-MeO-PCP freebase is 2201-35-6 4-MeO-PCP HCl is 2185-93-5 4-MeO-PCP picrate is 23036-17-1 I struggled to find the numbers for 4-meO-PCP, but then found them elsewhere in the forums (courtesy of Mictihtoya) in response to you asking the exact same thing a week ago. Pay attention
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