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Old 14-04-2006, 11:23
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Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

Mylan fentanyl duragesic patches are almost impossible to abuse how do you break this, i tried oral but i need to know the IM or IV process if possible can anyone help me out. Is there anyway to smoke them also i know the gel you can but this shit isnt gel at all so please inform me.
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Old 14-04-2006, 22:20
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Hi and welcome to the forum, please don't incriminate yourself, didn't you know noone on this forum actually does drugs, make sure to use SWIM. Wow I've never said that before, it makes me sound cool I guess. Anyways. Try to cut an X in the patch and put it in the microwave for a short time. The substance will gel and can then drawn out through a syringe. You need to work with the gel a little bit, adding water and working it around etc. This should work just fine. I don't in any way reccomend fentanyl abuse, dosage is very hard to determine and prepare, and overdoses can and do happen.

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Old 15-04-2006, 01:44
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My friend tried what you said but it didn't work. There isn't any gel in mylan patches, the fentanyl is actually in the adhesive on the patch that sticks to the skin. Mylan calls it the matrix system. Fucking mylan. They think that their patch is abuse proof, but from what I've read, all they've done is make it more likely to O.D. Anyways, could you give my friend more advice he doesn't know what to do now.
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Old 15-04-2006, 01:49
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someone who arent the posters on this could always attempt to tape the patches back on for a few hours with medical tape or gauze, make sure its flush against the skin. however SWIM doesnt reccomend this, it's possible to OD after several hours and forgetting to pull the patch off...but with careful monitoring it can be done, and is effective. if SWIY has little to no tolerance for opiates though, dont even think about doing this, it will be extremely dangerous. interestingly SWIM has heard its cheaper for mylan to manufacture the patches this way, and that the design wasnt to necessarily "discourage abuse". SWIY also shouldnt even dream of attempting to IV or IM anything coming out of those patches, unless you want to wake up in a hospital (if SWIY's lucky) or not wake up at all.
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Old 15-04-2006, 01:57
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SWIM figured that out after they researched more that mylan patches probably weren't the best for IV or IM. SWIM is more than experienced with opiates and I'm sure SWIM thanks you for the warning. SWIM probably wants to know more about the suggestion SWIY gave. If SWIY wouldn't mind.
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Old 15-04-2006, 21:56
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yes you can IV them, just take some gel outta the plastic patch part and put in a spoon, then add water and heat...let the gell rise to the top and you can suck it up through the syringe, its difficult so it might take a little while....BE VERY CAREFUL FENTANYL IS VERY STRONG AND IT CAN MAKE ONE OD VERY QUICK,believe me, SWIM shot up some of a 100mcg patch and it wasnt much but then woke up 2 hours later on the toilet with the needle still in SWIM's arm, not cool man just becareful
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Old 15-04-2006, 21:57
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sorry never had the mylan patches, just had the duragesic patches and you can take the gell from those
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Old 15-04-2006, 22:59
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SWIY's only hope then for used mylan patches is to wear them long enough with the medical tape (upper arm and waistline are the best places, that way they wont fall off even with alot of body movement), and hope that theres enough skin contact for the fentanyl to absorb. it may take some hours, even half a day to get the levels up to the point where youd feel it..but it definitely works, just takes time.
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Old 16-04-2006, 03:18
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swim told me with mylan patches you can extract fentanyl with a solvent,swim read this posted by mylan and jansen on the internet,where they were attacking each others patches, each saying the others patch is more dangerous or attractive to abusers,,,they used rum,,clear rum,bacardi superior is what swim uses soaking it for a half hour they extracted over 94%,,,also the mylan can be eaten,and even better you can control your dose by cutting them,,swim bangs and eats em,,,,usually in that order,,never have got great rush bangin mylans' but they take care of pain,,eating them works just as well,,just placing the plastic on you tongue,,,hope that helps,,be safe and take chances
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Old 16-04-2006, 03:21
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and no you can't smoke em (the mylans') that is
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Old 16-04-2006, 06:35
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SWIM usually gets the sandoz brand that has the gel in the center and SWIM usually smokes it. This time however, he ended up with mylan brand much to his dissapointment. SWIM will probably try the rum method to see what happens.
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Old 11-05-2006, 20:27
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With the 100mcg Mylan patches Swim just cuts about an 1/8th to a 1/4th of the patch into small little pieces and places them under swims tongue. 10 minutes later swim is flying in lala land.the high last for a long time, swim suggest also to suck on those pieces of the patch for as long as you can, and its tasteless, and after a while you dont even notice they are under your tongue. Have Fun
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Old 11-05-2006, 20:29
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oh and SWIM doesnt have a very high tolerance for opiates at all cause Swim works hard to make sure to keep it down. swim wouldn't want to lose the enjoyment of the greatest high in the world.Swim only does opiates 2 or 3 times in a week at most.

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Old 11-05-2006, 21:58
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this is a very intriguing idea that SWIY has right above me. SWIM doesnt know of any 100 mcg patches, however. is swiy talking about the 100 mcg/hr (100 mg) patches? if so, other users may want to cut the patch into even smaller amounts to begin with because fentanyl is a very potent thing! interesting and novel method desertfox, swim just wanted to warn other people reading the thread that what swiy is reccomending still seems like a dose that could be too much for some people...and this drug is definitely NOT for people who aren't well-accustomed to opiates.
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Old 22-05-2006, 19:53
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Yes i was talking about the 100mcg/hr patches. Swim has done this with one patch but one patch was good for over 10 seperate doses. this is the most effective way swim has found for abusing the mylan patch. fuck them for getting rid of all the gel
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Old 25-10-2006, 22:47
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

SWIM has heard of heating a cup of water just under boiling point and putting the mylan (half) in the water with plastic wrap over the top for 30 minutes and drink.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

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SWIM has heard of heating a cup of water just under boiling point and putting the mylan (half) in the water with plastic wrap over the top for 30 minutes and drink.
This might work, but it could also be extremely dangerous advice, especially if someone has a low tolerance for opiates. The thing is, fentanyl doesnt absorb particularly well in the GI tract, so at best, this method would be ineffective. At worst, using a whole patch could very easily deliver a lethal dose of fentanyl to a hapless SWIM. SWIM would say just wear the mylan patch or switch brands to something more easily titrated.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

SWIM has tried 2 methods for IV (not recommended for above reasons). 1. cut patch into tiny pieces, place in a small microwave-safe container with about 10CC water, place in microwave on defrost for about 5-8 minutes. defrost setting so that it doesn't boil over. remove from microwave, add filter, draw, and enjoy.
2. cut p[atch into tiny pieces, place on a VERY large metal spoon. fill a 3CC syringe with half 91% isopropanal and half with water. place on hot stove, add the mixture. when the fluid is almost gone add the same mixture ratio again. repeat this 3 times. the last time add 3cc of just water. when this is almost gone, filter and draw.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

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2. cut p[atch into tiny pieces, place on a VERY large metal spoon. fill a 3CC syringe with half 91% isopropanal and half with water. place on hot stove, add the mixture. when the fluid is almost gone add the same mixture ratio again. repeat this 3 times. the last time add 3cc of just water. when this is almost gone, filter and draw.
Now, SWIM is not very well-versed in how to IV, but does all of the isopropanyl get boiled off from the stove? And how would one go about checking to make sure it's all gone? SWIM is curious although he's not going to attempt this, plus it would be helpful for other readers so that nobody ends up accidentally IVing isopropanyl. Interesting methods though. Definitely not reccomended for anyone without a massive tolerance, but interesting, SWIM didn't think these patches could be abused easily.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

alcohols all have a much lower boiling/evaporation point than water, so yes, all the isopropanol is gone when there isn't much water left. SWIM tends to experiment a lot with IV preparations so he can usually crack any method pharm companies use to make things unusable. it just take practice, persistence, creativity, and, to a degree, stupidity.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

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SWIM has tried 2 methods for IV (not recommended for above reasons). 1. cut patch into tiny pieces, place in a small microwave-safe container with about 10CC water, place in microwave on defrost for about 5-8 minutes. defrost setting so that it doesn't boil over. remove from microwave, add filter, draw, and enjoy.
hmm, wonder if SWIM could get a smokable powder/crystally type hard substance if the 10CC of water was evaperated slowly without boiling?
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

Hello again everyone, I've been up to a few things lately. Today I got my Fentanyl refill and it was the Mylan patch that I had not seen before. I actually love it because it's not huge and doesn't tear up my arms. My prescription is for 2 75mcg patches every 28 hours.

SWIM had gel patches and divided them into quarters with equal amounts in each, then would cut and fold them open and slide between cheek and gums. Worked well but had to be kept in for at least 30 to 45 min.

SWIM wonders if the mylan patch effects are stronger and faster, and you can spread one patch out for several days.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

SWIM didn't find any difference between Mylan and Duragesic patches when they are worn as directed, the Mylan seemed to take just as long to take effect and didn't feel any stronger to SWIM. The only difference is when one attempts to chew on the patch or use the gel, there's a definite advantage to the Duragesics. However, if one does not want to wear a Mylan patch all day, it can always be put back on with medical tape, and SWIM says that the patch still works just fine.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

Having been mentioned on a few other threads recently cutting the Mylans up and eating them seems to be a waste of great product. Due to oral bioavailability being extremely low for Fentanyl the best method is the one that they are designed for , transdermal. That being said it would behoove the abuser to find ways to get the medicine more quickly to the skin which is large porous organ and can recieve chemicals just as readily as the digestive system or mucous membranes of the body. Of course with the gel type patch pricking the patch and putting a very small amount (this is not recommended as it is difficult to determine amount) directly on the skin should be more efficient than oral or sublingual in SWIM's opinion.SWIM has also heard that simply applying heat to the patch(with a heating pad) while wearing it can increase the level of output from the undisturbed surface of the patch. Also it says not to apply alcohol before applying the patch but SWIM doesn't know if this is because it causes faster tranfer or if it just causes irritation. If the former then it may also increase dosage from an unmolested patch. SWIM does not know about the Mylans , since they don't have an alcohol gel medium, but if alcohol can remove the fentanyl from the patch perhaps the dissolved product could in turn be spread about on the skin (like some forms of testosterone in a gel suspesion that is rubbed into the skin). One would need to cut the patch small and again this in no way guarantees the amount on that piece. It just seems like one would want to get more bang for the buck and try to usr the method that achieves the most in the body.
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Re: Mylan= child-proof fentanyl abuse.....help

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this is a very intriguing idea that SWIY has right above me. SWIM doesnt know of any 100 mcg patches, however. is swiy talking about the 100 mcg/hr (100 mg) patches? if so, other users may want to cut the patch into even smaller amounts to begin with because fentanyl is a very potent thing! interesting and novel method desertfox, swim just wanted to warn other people reading the thread that what swiy is reccomending still seems like a dose that could be too much for some people...and this drug is definitely NOT for people who aren't well-accustomed to opiates.


Taking mylan patches orally doesn't work. ktx on XXXXXX pulled up a study done on em. Check er out

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