Drugs for female sensitivity and orgasm?

[bewilderment]

Okay, I feel a bit overexposed with asking this, but I'll get over it.

So, I have been sexually active for a year with a partner who I love very much and who tries her best (yes, her) to please me in every way including physically (and she does). But, I've never experienced an orgasm in my life whether through masturbation or anything else. I don't even think that I've come close. However, I do have a very healthy libido and have sex and enjoy it on a regular basis...I used to be on an SSRI and thought that had something to do with it, but I haven't been on an antidepressant for many months now. I've read up on the subject of female orgasm and feel I know enough about the female anatomy and so forth so this isn't something concerning a lack of education on the subject.

Anyway, I'm wondering what drugs help in both sensitivity as well as the ability to orgasm for females. I'm not necessarily asking about illegal drugs as legal drugs (or topical creams, etc.)would be welcome as well.

Also, it would absolutely great if anyone knows someone who has had a similar problem and has found a way to overcome it.

I've read similar threads, but I don't think this specific topic fits into them and if so then I apologize.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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old thread but thanks for sharing this and opening this interesting discussion which followed

[Benga]

well some sources mention that sildenafil citrate (ie viagra) can have a beneficial effect on the blood flow to women's erective tissues in the clitoris, and to the vulva in general, thus increasing sensitivity, arousal and lubrication, and orgasmic response. Seems pretty logical for clitoris based orgasms but less obvious for others. No concluding results published, but it could be worth a try.

on a more ethnobotanical level, damiana tea is said to be effective in increasing physical response, and some women find cannabis also arousing in moderate doses.

From a chemical point of view, you should maybe give sildenafil citrate a try.

but odds are its more likely psychological if you can masturbate to a climax. in this case desinhibitant substances might help, alcohol, cannabis, and two drugs often associated with loved up moments MDMA and cocaine... MDMA increases tactile awareness and desire, cocaine makes people excited....

don't want to sound presomptuous, but I don't know you, so maybe you could just read up on technical aspects of clitoral and vaginal stimulation, cunnilingus etc...

good luck

[Richard_smoker]

I've seen some really good results with silfenadil cream (yeah, viagra, but specially blended into a vaginal cream), also testosterone cream for direct administration to the clitoris.

Sorry to sound crass, but maybe what you need is a good vibrator and a package of batteries. this helps many with your delimma. there are also videos that show exactly where to angle the vibes... also, maybe your girlfriend can help you find the spots. the key is to be relaxed and totally unstressed... i.e. by yourself and maybe after a hot shower.

[Benga]

sildenafil cream doesn't seem that hard to make too

Sildenafil 1% Vaginal Cream or Gel
International Journal of Pharmaceutical Compounding, Mar/Apr 2005
METHOD OF PREPARATION

1. Calculate the required quantity of each ingredient for the total amount to be prepared.

2. Accurately weigh and/or measure each ingredient.

3. Thoroughly pulverize the required number of sildenafil tablets for the prescription. (A high-speed mill/coffee grinder works well.)

Cream

4. Add the propylene glycol and purified water to the sildenafil citrate powder, and form a smooth paste.

5. Incorporate into sufficient hydrophilic ointment (Dermabase, Vanicream) to final weight and mix well.

6. Package and label.

Gel

7. Mix the sildenafil and methylcellulose powders with the propylene glycol until uniform.

8. Warm the purified water to about 70°C and add to the powder-propylene glycol mixture.

9. Mix well and allow to congeal.

[INodHardOhYeah]

bewilderment; I would try to avoid drugs, I should think you would want to be clear headed for your first orgasm, and its going to be incredible enough that you won't even need drugs. So as to this I have some advice.

Most woman who have problems getting off have a mental block, such that they want it so bad they can't relax and enjoy it. First things first, RELAX. Get comfortable with your partern and begin with plenty of foreplay to really get the juices flowing. The second most important thing to remember is BREATHE. SO many times people will get so worked up they hold their breath but its important that you keep th O2 flowing and take deep breathes, you may find yourself getting lightheaded from the increase in oxygen as while as intense pleasure. For many women they need to learn to orgasm by themselves before they are comfortable to orgasm in front of their partner or one-night stand or what have you.

Next you should follow my plan, try to have a romantic evening, soft light, soothing music, whatever floats your boat, just make sure you try and get as relaxed possible, this is the most important part. Then after plenty of foreplay have your partner tie your hands and feet to the bed post. Many times when I have been trying to give a girl her first orgasm the (oral) pleasure becomes so intense she will move her legs or push my head away. This eliminates that possibility. Then have your partner slowy warm up with oral pleasure, waiting plenty of time before even touching the clitoris. After this have her slowly massage her clitoris with your tounge, building to fasters and harder strokes. She may also want to massage the inside of her vagina. You will get to the point when it becomes too much and try to get her to stop, but tell her beforehand not to stop no matter what. Then she really needs to turn it on. It may not work the first time but you'll be flying in no time.

My good friend Sarah is a lesbian and I gave her this talk and she had her first orgasm a few nights later.

But in terms of drugs, talk to your doctor about Wellbutrin, this gives some people just the boost they need.

You may have heard all of this before but maybe not, give it a shot, the bondage aspect if nothing else, you may find you love it.

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	great post, she doesnt need drugs for this. That comes later!
	Nice detailed response!

[Richard_smoker]

DAMMIT! That's what *I* SAID!!

OK. so I wasn't as graphic and romantic as you "Inodhard", but still... I said all that shit! so, when you come really hard tonight, you KNOW who to give the credit to!! lol, just kidding. about all of it! That was good "Inodhard"... ever think of writing a romance novel for chicks?

[INodHardOhYeah]

HAHA, as a freshman I had a romantic advice column at a small northeast university , back when I thought there was a future in journalism, mostly girls complaining about there boyfriends being insensitive or leaving them, and guys writing in asking how to they can pick up more girls? Some senior did sports (and he was a horrible writer) but life gives you lemons and you try to get high off them.

[Richard_smoker]

yeah... well, I still say that you STOLE my chick from me!

haha.. j/k REALLY, don't get your panties in a wad ms. bewilderment.* I just thought it was funny to see my advice--dry and almost devoid of emotion... and then THIS asshole's post. Just please remind him that you DON'T like boys!


*I know, this was VERY presumtious of me to imply/infer that you wear panties. I'm sorry. Actually, I'm sorry for ALL THIS SHIT! This is NOT a sex forum! It's a different kind of forum.... but you are still free to ask for sex advice. it's just that I should not be acting like such a child, that's all. so I'm stopping, right now. hope you didnt' get too offended.

and as for you, Inodhard... you better watch your slow-speakin, eloquent-with-words ass! Actually, I think I need to write that stuff down... you know, what you said up there... I'm having a bachelor party soon, you know... and i've totally forgotten what they need to hear (except yes dear, and shit like that for the mrs.), but yeah, this is totally sad, but i need to remember how to talk like YOU just did--even for a frickin stripper... they're all chicks you know... even if they are a stripper.

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM would go with being sober for a first orgasm. Failing that yohimbine MAY work, but make sure to avoid use of any other drugs with it, (dxm comes to mind as being dangerous when combined with yohimbine, but i'm sure theres plenty of other things its contraindicted with), and do plenty of research before attempting such a feat. from what SWIM has read, yohimbe/yohimbine "the natural viagra" actually seems to have a more pleasurable effect on females than males! oh, the irony of marketing versus real life.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by forthesevenlakes

SWIM would go with being sober for a first orgasm. Failing that yohimbine MAY work, but make sure to avoid use of any other drugs with it, (dxm comes to mind as being dangerous when combined with yohimbine, but i'm sure theres plenty of other things its contraindicted with), and do plenty of research before attempting such a feat. from what SWIM has read, yohimbe/yohimbine "the natural viagra" actually seems to have a more pleasurable effect on females than males! oh, the irony of marketing versus real life.

most people find yohimbe is hard to work with and has some pretty strong stimulating qualities if you cross the line.
I would stick to sildenafil citrate if you're going a mechanical chemical way.

but since she mentioned being able to masturbate to a climax, causes are probalby psychological or technical.
b

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by benga

most people find yohimbe is hard to work with and has some pretty strong stimulating qualities if you cross the line.

The problem with yohimbe often is that the herb is very strong and one only needs a small dose for a pleasant effect. Taking more than that does indeed lead to overstimulation (restfullness and tachicardia in particular) and is quite unpleasant. I have found Yohimbe most effective for inducing arousal, but woman need a smaller dose, then men.

[Alfa]

Study: Testosterone Patch Improves Older Women's Sex Lives

Oct. 20, 2004 -- After years of being told there was nothing modern medicine could do for a low libido, women may soon have a new option to rev up an ailing sex life in the form of a testosterone patch.
A new study shows women with low sexual desire who used a testosterone patch had satisfying sex four times more often than they did before they got the patch.
It's the first major study of the testosterone patch in treating low libido among women who went through menopause naturally. Previous studies of the testosterone patch have been among women with surgically induced menopause, such as menopause caused by surgery to remove the ovaries -- the source of female sex hormones.
Testosterone although thought of as a male sex hormone, is also produced in small amounts by women. Woman require small amounts of male sex hormones to maintain a healthy sex drive.
The results of the study were presented this week at the annual meeting of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine in Philadelphia.
The testosterone patch has not been approved by the FDA for use in treating women with low sexual desire, and this study was part of a phase III clinical trial of the treatment.
Testosterone Patch May Help Cure Low Libido
This study looked at the effects of the testosterone patch in 549 menopausal women with hypoactive sexual desire disorder (HSDD). This form of sexual dysfunction is defined as a lack of sexual desire or low libido that causes a woman personal distress.
All of the women were also taking hormone replacement therapy in the form of estrogen pills with or without a progestin.
Half of women wore a testosterone patch that delivered 300 micrograms of testosterone per day and the other half wore a placebo patch. Both patches were replaced twice weekly and worn for 24 weeks.
At the end of the study, researchers measured and compared sexual activity, desire, and function among the women.
The study showed that the testosterone patch significantly increased sexual activity. Specifically, women who received the testosterone patch reported four times as many satisfying sexual episodes compared with those who wore the placebo (an average of about two per month compared with 0.5 per month among the placebo users).
Researchers also found that the women who used the testosterone patch reported a significant increase in sexual desire and decrease in distress caused by low libido that were greater than those reported by placebo users.
There were also significant improvements in other measures of female sexual function among testosterone patch users, such as arousal, orgasm, pleasure, responsiveness, and self-image. Side effects were mild and included excess facial hair and red or irritated skin from the patch.
The study was funded by Procter & Gamble Pharmaceuticals, which is developing the patch for sale in the U.S. under the name Intrinsa.

[Richard_smoker]

THAT'S WHAT *I* SAID TOOO!!!!

DAMN! Hey, don't pay any attention to them... I can speak smooth as well.

You are all a bunch of copycats!! You both stole my chick... either that or confused the hell outta her. Christ!

<oh, nevermind> I can't compete with alfa anyways...
He has things that I can NEVER offer you...

[Alfa]

I know you have already mentioned the effect of testosterone applied to skin. I found this info a good addition, to your remarks.

[Richard_smoker]

I know... just kidding anyways...!

Why do I always go for those girls that i can't have!???

Maybe it's pathological... ??

Anyways, it was a good addition.

Mine was slobbering idiot talk (actually I just know someone who rubs testosterone on her clittie and always tells everyone how "GREAT" it is!). Yours was actually factual... oh well. i'll be on my way now...
(sneaking out the back)

[oldman]

swim got some testosterone once and while mrs swim has no problems in that department, she found that topical ointment had no benefit, just one persons opinion though. try some interesting sex toys with your girl or alone. mrs. swim used to have some difficulty long ago when they first got together, she read a book about the topic and it recomended daily masterbation by yourself for as long as it takes. you must train yourself. even when you don't think you feel like it just get started and see were it goes.

I think you mentioned NOT being able to climax from masterbating, chances are if you can't on your own you will have trouble with someone else. once mrs. swim got used to doing it on her own regularly the sex really took on a whole new dimension.

as for drugs to enhance sex...cannabis, mdma, 5meo-mipt, small ammounts of alcohol. these like others mentioned can add to te pleasure but probably won't help you with the first time. also try one of those hand held shower heads or a jet from a jacuzzi or hottub. it will happen, but probably on your own first.

[Richard_smoker]

You sure are a DIRTY oldman! You talk about sex more than anyone on this board!!! Are you serious!? You must be the only one on here who isn't too fucked-up to get an erection!

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on topic please

[bewilderment]

Wow, thanks for all the responses. Let's see, I'll try to respond to most of the things mentioned, but I think I'll refrain from quoting everyone.

First, just to clarify I did indeed mention NOT being able to climax alone. I've tried just using the old hand and also using a vibrator and sometimes play some video for extra stimulation. I've read in many places that a girl often has to learn how to have and orgasm on her own first and I've given it my best shot. The truth is, I pretty much lose interest in masturbation after about 10 minutes because after that I notice that my stimulation has declined and I'm not really getting anywhere. I find myself much, much more aroused with a partner (as I'm sure is true for most) and being alone just doesn't seem to cut it when I have trouble with stimulation anyway. It really ends up feeling a chore if I try to force myself to masturbate using some sort of flexi-schedule so that I can learn how to attain the big "O". But, I do plan to keep trying, it's just kind of discouraging.

I have read copious amounts of information about the technical aspects of clitoral and vaginal stimulation as well as cunnilingus and so many other things. We have sex books and I've read an incredible amount online. I've strived to educate myself as much as possible.

As far as my partner (she would be my wife if it were legal, we're in it for the long haul) helping find the right spots with a vibe, she has tried so hard! There have been many nights where instead of having sex I lay down and relax while she uses the device trying to find the "sweet spots" so she can recall where they are later on. This really hasn't helped much though.

On the relaxation bit, I think I do relax enough. I'm very comfortable with my partner and we have tried sex after a relaxing bath or with candles and aromatherapy, etc. I do try to watch my breathing...back in the early days I noticed that I was taking quick, short breaths but now I have it under control with the slow breathing, relaxing and trying to melt into the experience. Also, there are handcuffs hanging up right beside the bed at the moment, so the bondage thing is something we practice. We also have other tools such as flavored lubricant, warming lubricant, etc. and try to keep things fairly new when possible. So, INodHard, I think that's wonderful advice been I've followed those steps and suggestions almost completely many different times, but still I don't receive any different results. Oh, and Wellbutrin, yeah. Actually, my partner does take wellbutrin and says that it's fantastic for libido. I've found doctors hesitant to prescribe it to me because I once had a seizure about 5 years ago...honestly, I'd still like to take the risk and try it, but I can't afford a doctor's visit at the moment.

I did take yohimbe supplements for a short while but I noticed hardly any effects. But, perhaps I wasn't taking a high enough dose or something so I should do a bit more research. I may have to try it again. I also have some sort of topical cream called "Zestra", but it doesn't do much of anything besides warm up it seems (although it's supposed to increase sensitivity, and I guess it does just a bit)...it was also relatively expensive so I expected it to do just a little bit more than that.

The testosterone thing sounds interesting, but it also sounds as if it mainly helps women with libido. Is that true? I'll do some research into it...I really don't have a problem at all with libido. My sex drive is pretty high. Last night, from 8pm-2am I made love with my partner with just a one hour break somewhere in there. I was still ready to keep going even after 2am. My partner said that she lost count of how many orgasms she had, it seems like I could at least have one during that length of time.

Mmmm...hand held shower heads. I love those, but still no orgasm.

I have considered the viagra and I find it quite interesting that it can be used in a cream. I'll definately have to look into that.

Haha, Richard, I'm far from offended and I find your comments amusing and endearing.

Actually, I usually don't wear underwear. And, I'm more than comfortable with my sexuality so I'm finding it difficult to believe that it's some sort of mental block although I suppose it could be.

Okay, as far as substances...I haven't tried damiana tea so I will take a look into that. I've never taken ecstacy or coke, but swim (and she's just like me, it's uncanny) has taken things which I believe would produce somewhat similar effects (i.e. tactile awareness, energy, etc.) such as various RCs like 2ci, 2ce, 5meoamt, adderall, etc. All of which see says were absolutely amazing for sex and increased the intensity quite a bit yet still no orgasm. Swim says that cannabis and alcohol also have very, very nice effects in the sexual department...still though, no climax. I've never tried 5-meo-mipt, but I believe swim has a source for it so maybe she'll give it a go some day. I understand that I may not be able to have an orgasm using these intoxicants (at least the first time I do acheive one), but mostly I hope that somehow it could give some sort of insight into the sexual experience that I haven't noticed before and then I could use the findings to take steps to reach my goal.

Really, I've tried so many different things I'm beginning to worry that it could be something physical holding me back, but hopefully not.

I think I've replied to most of the suggestions and if not then rest assured that I have read this thread carefully and plan on looking into many of the things mentioned. Once again, thanks for so many great responses...pretty quick too.

[oldman]

thanks for the compliment Richard, you are not the first to take notice of my only other interest. I grew up in a house with one gay parent so sexuality is not a topic this oldman has any hangups about.

bewilderment, sounds like you've exercised most of the suggestions here pretty thoroughly. one thing I noticed on your info is that you're only 21. it is definitely not out of the ordinary for someone (female)your age to have difficulty climaxing. probably more not having the big "O" at 21 than having it. so don't feel left out or weird. "It'll Come" sorry couldn't resist that one. mrs swim said she never felt she had a true "O" until she was about 25. And really never had multiples or sequentials until she was about 30. now then woman is an uncontrollable beast. they're worse things. the only other thing sheh finds really gets her off properly in addition to all others mentioned is explicit creative dirty talk. not being degraded or talkde down to but just som really off the wall stuff. sorry can't let any of those sercets out. but 5meo-mipt may be a good option to try. mrs. swim got lost in an orgasm the first time she tried it for over an hour. it does seem to make many people really ticklish inside. go low (4-6mgs) though otherwise you probably wil just get the jitters.

[bewilderment]

Yeah, I know that many women (much more than people think) have this sort of problem and I know that it'll happen in time. I just find it sort of odd because I have tried so much. It seems like maybe I should've at least had some sort of mini-orgasm or something by this point, but I could be wrong. I don't feel bad about because I still enjoy sex thoroughly, the pleasure factor as well as the great intimacy is certainly there and I think those are the most important things. I never feel any sort of disappointment due to not having orgasm, but it would be nice if for nothing than to satisfy my curiosity of what if feels like. I also understand about the age thing, after all women reach their sexual peak much, much later than men do so hopefully things will improve as I age. Oh well, no worries

[Richard_smoker]

Nice oldman! You took the words right out of my mouth! I was JUST about to ask her how old she was--you're RIGHT about the age thing... DEAD ON! I've met MANY women who didn't attain orgasm until they were more like 24-26. My serious concern, bewilderment was that you were more like 18ish... that would explain a LOT. In keeping with the wonderful oldman, teenage girls are NOTORIOUS for lack of "O"s, and it seems that as you gals get older, you (as a sex) become more attracted to the physical aspects of the sexual act--like being turned-on, enjoying the intimacy and feeling of being with another person--not just because you sorta "have to" like in high-school, but women coming OUT of puberty will often begin to enjoy aspects of the physical act that are in NO way even related to having an orgasm. This sounds EXACTLY like your situation... That is to say, it sounds like your CURRENT situation--i have no idea what was going on when you were a teen, etc.

Although, my fiancee in particular would scream "BUUULLLSHITT!!!! ALL GIRLS MATURBATE AND CUM ALL THE TIME, BEFORE THEY EVEN START MIDDLESCHOOL!!! THEY'RE JUST TOO EMBARASSED TO ADMIT IT!!!!"

But then again, she doesn't have 1/2 the experience that I do.

Yeah, you took the shower head thing right out of my mouth... ever try the jets in a hottub or a pool? When I was a kid I used to wear a green shirt that said, "JETS" on the front! and that's why!!! lol

Okiedokie--I've got 2 plans for you. there both good. pick one or do both, or do both together, but just do one, for chrissake!

1. Doing it yourself. aka "Mutual Masturbation"
I think you MIGHT be missing something important about the whole deal. I think that it might be CRITICAL that you actually experience the thing while stimulating yourSELF! or (my personal suggestion) while using the vibrations from a little vibrator.

I know you said you get bored after 10 minutes... So, why don't you do this!? get all relaxed, take a shower, whatever... but DON'T make it a big deal! (ischnay on the performance anxiety!). If SWIM were you, she would smoke a LITTLE bit of pot--as this seems to increase tactile sensations... I wouldn't advise all the phen and tryps and all that other shit. In fact, SWIM thinks that one of the BEST little drugs out there for kicking in the big O and making it a HUGE "O" is plain old Ephedrine--you know, the shit that you see behind the gas-station counter, hanging in the little bags. Maybe pop 2 or 3 of them 45min-1hour before.

Anyways, since it's obvious that you NEED your partner involved to stay in the mood, here's what I would do. Get her to get all naked and stuff, and get her to show YOU what SHE'S doing with HER vibe-machine. Let her touch you lightly on the face, legs, arms, torso, hips, etc. Conversly, you can touch, kiss, and grab her as well. The point is--this all revolves around YOU. Women are especially known for their patience in satisfying their partners, whereas if you had a BOYfriend, he would probably get bored and start acting like prick or something and then make it even harder to come--or worse yet, he'd start licking you really hard and burning your fucking clit off and you'd start faking them just to get his grubby little eager, fast, unshaved face off of you!

But anyways, you'll learn fast (if you don't already know) what it is during this mutual masturbation session that turns you on the most.

2. Having HER do it FOR you! aka How to Kill the Romance By Counting Like Stupid Guy.

With most women that I've known... um, wait a second... With most women MY FRIEND has been with who have trouble w/orgasm, HE has done the following and it worked like a charm: kissing, followed by LIGHT, feather-light touching in random circles, etc. touching her face, neck, arms, breasts (NO NIPPLES!), legs, thighs, inner thighs (NO NOOKIE!)... and HE kept teasing her like this... occasionally blowing on the skin he was barely touching, etc. Now, if THIS doesn't make your nipples poke out like a couple of diamond-cutters, then you might need to seek PROFESSIONAL help! (trust me, it'll work).

So then, she needs to keep working up the tease for a GOOD 20-30 minutes. have you tried this yet?? teasing for 30 minutes!?? if not, then you haven't been trying the right way!

Finally, after you've been begging her to touch you in the privates for 10 minutes or so, she might BRUSH one of your nipples (lightly)... she might act like she's going for your vagina... and then slip away after a quick lick.

Meanwhile, your mind is being FUCKED SILLY! Wouldn't you agree?? My bet is that during this 30 minutes, you will LITERALLY be surprised that your body was capable of secreting SO MUCH "nectar." So, might want to drink up a few glasses of water before! Wouldn't want you to get dehydrated... oh, and trust me--when your gf sees your puddle of lust-anticipation, she WILL become even MORE patient! In fact, she might just put MY idea to shame--and come up with something even better! Sorry girlie, you asked for it... so, gone are the days of being bored! (maybe you'd like this whole suggestion to take place while you ARE all tied-up for real, where there is NO escaping your gf's hour-long tease-fest!)

I think you get the idea. When she FINALLY makes it to your nipples, and then FINALLY to your vagina, she will have to be extremely delicate, careful not to mess with your clitoris too much directly because it will be so engorged with blood that you might run the risk of it EXPLODING in her face!

I suggest a variation on the male-female version of this trick THAT ALMOST ALWAYS WORKS BTW!!! Here's the male-female way. I'm sure it won't be difficult for her to improvise the penis part with finger(s) or a phallic symbol... (LISTEN UP GUYS, I'LL BET YOU ALL $100 THAT THIS IS THE BEST SEX-INFO YOU'LL EVER GET FROM ANOTHER GUY!)

OK. Here's the male way: the man takes his penis and SLOWLY inserts ONLY the tip--not even the whole tip if it's possible. for a finger, i'd say barely even a knuckle. Then the guy pushes this tiny tip in and out to a mental count of 15-20. THEN, he inches it in a LITTLE bit more (maybe the entire head, or a little past the first knucle) and he does this ONE TIME, followed by 2,3,4,5,6, etc. all the way up to 20 again, with just the very tip of the penis. THEN, he puts a LITTLE bit more penis in. and you can vary this part, but I like to say that the next step is to go back to the BARELY even the tip part and count to 2,3,4,5,6,to 20. THEN, just a LITTLE bit more of the penis/finger so it's maybe half-way in. NOW, you can pump this 1, 2 times. then, 3,4,5,6,etc to 20 of the barely the tip part. Next time, pump half in 3 times, and the tip 4, 5,6,->20.

now you can start improvising. if you've never had an O, I'd do the whole thing all the way up to 20 half-strokes. THEN, i'd start over by inserting 3/4ths of the way in ONCE, followed by 2,3,4,on to 20. then 3/4ths 1, 2 then the tip for 3,4,5,etc. and keep doing this, next time 3/4ths of the length for 1,2,3, times followed by the tip for the count of 4,5,6,to 20. and keep doing it like this until 3/4th of it is inserted ALL THE WAY up to 20!

so in other words, she (you) STILL haven't felt the entire finger/penis and we've done WHAT? 20 to the 20'th power times 2!!!! THAT'S A SHITLOAD OF TEASING, HUH!??? Noticing the pattern yet?

NOW, FINALLY do 1 COMPLETE insertion... all the way in. (you might have the big O right now--if you haven't already), and again, 2,3,4,5,6,to 20 with it just about 1/3 of the way in. then do 2 COMPLETE insertions again, slowly, cause it's gonna feel GOOOD!!!! and continue on until you're at 20 full insertions... then just keep doing whatever you're doing.

This can also be done in a similar way with her tongue.

I hope i didn't fuck up this whole technique by telling you about the numbers & counting thing. You can tell this was DEFINITELY made up by a fucking guy! counting in his head! lol, but trust me, it still works. And GUYS! I know you've been reading this whole technique and jotting down notes! PLEASE DO NOT LET HER KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING! GOD! SHE WILL NOT BE IMPRESSED! YOU WILL LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT! COUNT IN YOUR HEAD!!!!

You should be able to take it from there! Do either one of these techniques or both of them... report back to me in the morning, and I'll send you a bill in the mail.

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	I'd like to meet your fiancee ;) She sounds like a straight shooter. er, um, squirter?
	++ on your knowledge of female sexuality & how to pls a woman!! God your post got me horny!! (merecat)

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Alfa

The problem with yohimbe often is that the herb is very strong and one only needs a small dose for a pleasant effect. Taking more than that does indeed lead to overstimulation (restfullness and tachicardia in particular) and is quite unpleasant. I have found Yohimbe most effective for inducing arousal, but woman need a smaller dose, then men.

totally agree, a stronger does is quite unpleasant. I remember a post of yours where you mentioned that it was possible do do small lines of yohimbe powder. Did that mean yohimbine or was it actually powedered yohimbe ?
could be interesting but SWIM is pretty anxious about clogging up his nostril with plant material ( like kanna...wasn't fun)
thanks
b

[bewilderment]

Okay, I realize it's been awhile since I began this thread, but my mind wandered back towards it since the subject has regained my interest lately. About eight more months have passed, still the same predicament remains. Admittedly, I haven't tried much of the suggestions still...finances haven't allowed much and I've tried to avoid ordering things online and have opted instead to try to find things locally. I did try a supplement called Power V (which was convenient because of availability) awhile back which was far too strong, but I should have known better given the ingredients ( Niacin 45.0 mg,Guarana (Puallina Cupana) Seed Extract 300.0 mg, Yohimbe Extract 250.0 mg, Taurine 200.0 mg, Oats Extract 150.0 mg, Saw Palmetto 100.0 mg, Orchic Substance 50.0 mg, Ginkgo Biloba 40.0 mg, and Siberian Ginseng 30.0 mg) which were overkill. It may have worked a bit better in a lower dosage (I took the recommended dosage), but the first try scared me away from trying it ever again. At the beginning, I felt alright and felt easily arousable at which point my partner came over for a bit of foreplay, but I had to put things to a halt as the unpleasantness increased with my blood pressure and I became uncomfortable and had to lay down to calm myself --what a disappointing evening that was!

Anyway, I'm planning on going out tomorrow to look at yohimbe products. I know that I need to be looking for something standardized with the amount of yohimbine listed, but I'm wondering what a reasonable first time dosage would be. I'm 115 lbs and, of course, female. Any suggestions?

Or are there any suggestions for any other products which are readily available in the U.S. within around the same price range as yohimbe?

Again, I know I'm not going to find a "magic bullet", but just looking for a good aid. The whole practice thing simply doesn't seem to be paying off...well, things have gotten better but I'm looking to accelerate the pace.

Oh, and does anyone have any suggestions for good "toys" as I believe I will be making a trip to the sex shop in the near future as well. I'd like something stimulating for both partners because my pleasure increases as my partner's increases. We've tried different positions, methods, etc. The only toys we have at the moment is a double-headed dildo (kind of useless because it requires awkward positions and I've lost interest in it), a vibrator (nice enough for masturbation, but I'm not sure I can ever really get into masturbation much although I've tried really hard, I simply am more aroused with another person involved...other suggestions for vibrators are welcome because mine is just a cheap, generic one and is just not very good), and handcuffs and a blindfold if you want to consider those "toys". I'm considering some sort of vibrating strap-on which stimulates both participants, but haven't been able to find such in shops which may lead to ordering online although I'd rather not.

Also, it's not a stamina problem as the average time for "encounters" is generally around two hours or so.

Methodical suggestions are still welcome, although it's not my primary interest. I mean, I think I've generally found my "groove" in how I like things to be done (not to say I don't like to switch things up, but I'm finding my own preferences which makes sense considering this is my first relationship, and hopefully last, involving sex), but there still hasn't been any sort of climax. Although, my partner seems rather pleased in that I've found a great deal of confidence with such. So, still open to new things....

[smuttyangel]

That one is easy - Ann Summers' Rampant Rabbit - lots of different varieties now since original came out - its specifically for female clitoral stimulation - First time i used it - 1 min flat orgasm - trust me - this thing works!

Or try Rampant rabbit platinum - same thing but more speeds and different vibes - Me and hubby use this all the time.

Let me know how you get on

PS...I'm so sad for you that i'll willingly get one for you and post it!

[oldman]

must admit several years back when mrs purchased the rabbit, all things changed and started falling into place very regularly. they're expensive (good ones) but shell out the money for the better ones. you'll really thank me later.