Gabatropin(Phenibut) VS GHB

[godismdma]

Its seems as Gabatropin acts the same way as GHB? Does anyone have expierience with the 2 to give insite into the potency difference? Could it be because GHB doesn't have to go through any changes and breakdowns to effect the brain?

[zapatista]

Phenibut can be enjoyable initially, with effects that are very similar to GHB. This is usually at the 2-3 gram level depending on weight. you have to work wth this substance, as its tricky if you over do it. Be ready for carryover the next day, as it has a long half life. I like to combine phenibut with kava extract to intensify euphoria. If you are going to purchase phenibut, buy the bulk powder instead of gabatropin. Phenibut is not good for daily use.
As to Phenibut vs GHB:
Positive for phenibut- legal,cheap, long acting, good for ocassional sleeping problems
Negative for phenibut-cant be used daily, bodyload, taste terrible
Positive for GHB- euphoric, dosage is low, short acting
Negatives for GHB- short acting , need for multiple dosage, danger of overdosing, illegal, addiction
in closing, most do not like phenibut if they come into it expecting a ghb/gbl like high. If you look at it without reference, its a substance worth exploring.
Good luck,
Z

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A good compare and contrast.

[~lostgurl~]

I have never heard of Gabatropin or Phenibut, can you buy from a health shop?

[Anabolic Monkey]

I haven't tried ghb but have phenibut. It just seemed to give me a drunken feeling. I didn't find it to be very euphoric and tolerance builds up very fast. Be sure not to take too much or it will be one nausiating long shitty time. Phenibut has quite a hangover the next day for me. It's ok to take a small dose now and then to relieve stress and help with sleep .5-3g I would say.

[snapper]

Phenibut in low doses has good antianxiety effects and is useful in that right. It is not a GHB substitute by ANY stretch of the imagination.. I have found nothing that replaces GHB, GBL or 1,4BDO, all of which were very loved and appreciated when still legal and available. I have tried phenibut, l-theanine, GABA and kava, none of which come even close. Is there anything out there that will ever replace these now illegal products that can be purchased? SWIM checked into gammacrotonolactone, GHV and GVL but they seem to no longer available and legality is questionable in the US. Any thoughts ?

Snapper

[godismdma]

SWIM had GHV years ago just as BDO was being pulled off the market. GHV was sooooooo much harder to get down that stuff also pulled the varnish off the table after being spilled and immediatly wiped up guess thats y they sold GHV in glass bottles!

[Ahuaeynjx]

I would advise not to play around or indulge with Phenibut as it is a substance alien to the body which affects hormones in a direct way, much like crystal Meth.

I won't get into the esoteric part of it but then again knowing it exists I proceed to the sharing of information that might be of use.

These substances are assured to throw your hormonal balance off sooner or later, and if it was sooner you are happy to be so sensitive. I'm sure you know what I mean...

SWIM thinks that GHB is a substance natural to the body thus he suggests dosage up to 1 gram per day maximum, especially beneficial for vegetarians.

If you are looking for the natural state of mind induced by high doses of GHB SWIM thinks that you might love trying to mix up a good emulsified kava beverage ; make sur only to get the inner rook bark as the external peel contains substances toxic to the liver.

Also it is a good idea to take Whey protein few times a day and even for sexually active people ; to add 5-htp 100 mg, Gaba 500 mg, Arginine 500 mg, Glutamine 500mg, L-Tyrosine 500mg and of course Taurine 500mg, especially beneficial to vegetarians too. Take natural vitamins in bee pollen or chlorella and the like, not synthetic forms again ! These amounts are averages for a healthy male with a good liver, do not go think taking more will result in you feeling better, think that your liver has to create enzymes and transporters for those medicines to get where they are needed, do not overload it !

Those advices go for people who are insistant on using the drugs as spiritual medicine, or using plants as drugs and such, but never mix it with active sexuality, the hormonal pull will destroy your body. Tinnitus, eye floaters,acne, stiff back, numbing of one side of the body... eventually blindness and death such as it happened with the erectile drugs. Some people are incredibly tough ; those develop subtle imbalance in male/female hormones ; others are plainly invulnerable but they'll never be able to have a real orgasm due to inability to lower the heart rate in meditation... so no sex and drugs if you like to think you will still be having peak sexual performances when you will be 70 or older, take care of One now !!! But if you must do ; take those supplements absolutely and it is essential to eat massive amount of essential fatty acids, and add some milk thistle extract while at it with other liver healing plants and mushrooms ! HEMP SEEDS !

If Kava is not accesible then a mix of valerian extract, st-john's wort, nenuphar, lilly, datura... SWIM says to use your imagination there are thousands of extracts available at low prices on the web and One (as when I say You indefinite, or us infinite) might feel safer to "intoxicate" or "medicate" One's own body with what nature gives us rather than manmade heterogenous compounds relating to the DNA. JUST KEEP IN MIND A SMALL DOSE OF EACH KIND à la AyUrVeDiC !

Of course, sometimes One has no money , no choice, no reaction... we are all struggling with a freedom issue towards the powers to be.

Well at least I hope I can trigger a reaction somehow and guide those who like to hear to nature as it has everything we need as long as we understand it. Want a MDMA type high ? Find a Sceletium Tortuosum type plant ; SWIM even says that he mixed it once with some kava and a little yohimbe (careful with MAO-I) and the result was explosive ! Not even extracts, pure ground plants !

Know what I mean ?

Of course I dreamt about all this, we ain't living in an ideal life... or are we ?

Namase,

Ahu