+2 year effects

[blue jammer]

It's been exactly 2 years since Swim first took 2-ci, went on to try other research chemicals, 2-ce, 2-cc, 2-cd, 2-ct-7, 2-cb, and also 4-ho-mipt.

Swim took a break from the chemicals, and hasn't indulged since the start of January 06.

Since stopping, Swim has taken stock of how Swim feels, and noticed two things, which Swim thought may be as a result of taking these chemicals on a regular basis, having taken more of 2-ci and 2-ce than the others.

Swim feels an increase in arrogance towards people, and also has felt paranoia, much more intensely than ever before.

Swim would like to know if others have had similar behavoir changes/other effects that have become noticable?

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[no0b]

[swim]
i've noticed that..
before i even started to use synthetics (mdma, 2c-i), i use to be a bit self-conscious about myself and not quite the talker as i am now,.. a bit on the shy side.. but now, chems. seem to have given me the sort of attitude that allows me to - just be myself. to be honest, it's kinda left me a little cold-hearted, and like u said, arrogant, but it's all good. u don't have to bow down to anyone- so it shouldn't matter. if people don't like the way u are because you're too cocky, f'ck it- you're probably better off without 'em anyways
[/swim]

[illuminati boy]

From reports / responses that I have reviewed, credible accounts of lingering after-effects or HPPD like phenomena have been reported from: 2C-I, 5-MeO-AMT, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, & DIPT. In the case of DIPT it appears to be primarily an effect of an audio nature. The reports vary from a few weeks to a year+ and may involve auditory &/or visual phenomena.

Some guesses on what the incidence of longer-lasting after effects might be. While there were several ratings of ‘E’ across several different compounds in the recent surveys, there was only one report of ‘F’ out of the 701 responses received. ‘F’ specifically says: ‘Severe Adverse Reaction, hospitalization, seizure, HPPD, etc.’ So that puts the incidence at about 0.14% If one were to only go by the compound in question (2C-I), the incidence is 0.81% Judging from the freeform reports, people may have been less likely to check ‘F’ even if they actually experienced lingering after-effects &/or hospitalization. So if we postulate something like a 10 fold under-representation, we could get a number as high as 8%. Based on the above, I would hazard to estimate the incidence of longer-term effects / perceptual changes in persons who have used some of the largely unresearched compounds at 0.14% to 8%, though I would think the 8% number to be likely too high.


You can review some of my previous posts either HERE, HERE, or in the compound specific threads regarding largely unresearched compounds, for some additional data on side-effects.

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[Nagognog2]

I, too, feel a certain degree of heightened arrogance and paranoia. But drugs are not causitive. It's George Bush in the White House, and the stupidity of the American people that put him there.

[bewilderment]

Swim also took a break from RC's around the beginning of this year. She resumed after about two months, but is ingesting them on a much less frequent basis. She also has felt much paranoia, but she realized that this was due to excessive marijuana use and that when she lessened her intake of cannabis, the paranoia seemed to dissipate. Has SWIY perhaps been taking other drugs as a sort of substitute for the RCs? Just a thought...also, swim used rc's regularly for only less than a year.

Also, swim noticed no increase in arrogance. If anything, in general, she has been humbled. However, she does sometimes feel a little arrogant if she has some sort of trip where she realizes the stupidity of so much human behavior.

[prospero]

SWIM, who started such activities 9 years ago, hasn't really noticed any increase in either arrogance or paranoia, though definitely has the odd bout of depression which wasn't there before. However to be honest SWIM thinks this is more to do with getting old, which is a pretty depressing thing whether you take drugs or not!!

[Sklander]

SWIM used RC's heavily over the past summer, but stopped when school started. SWIM doesn't think it's adversly affected him at all. SWIM just likes to turn people on to them.

[blue jammer]

Originally Posted by bewilderment

Has SWIY perhaps been taking other drugs as a sort of substitute for the RCs? Just a thought...also, swim used rc's regularly for only less than a year.

No, Swim hadn't been taking any other drugs, doesn't smoke and drinks rarely, so knew it couldn't be anything else - chemical or drink related.

A break every now and again doesn't hurt though, maybe the stresses of life and suchlike have contributed to it, but Swim felt other opinions could be useful.

[-k4ge]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

I, too, feel a certain degree of heightened arrogance and paranoia. But drugs are not causitive. It's George Bush in the White House, and the stupidity of the American people that put him there.

Amen. As a Canadian, I feel the stupidity from that ape looking man.

[Solidly-here]

I have used RCs for 3 years. I feel differently than before I began.

I feel that I know a side of life that others (the non-psychonauts) do not know even exists. I feel sorry for people who haven't had their soul stretched.

I do not feel more arrogant, but I feel a little "above" people who choose to live their life in a Black Hole (not Superior, but happily aloof to it).

I feel much-less paranoid than I did before. I used to feel like I did not "fit in" somehow. Now I am less interested in how well I fit into society. In fact, I don't even care if society fits in with me . . . I just live my life (and everyone else gets to live theirs, too).

[fatal]

i feel like there is something that is in psychedelics that changes people. i can feel the love for people whose lives have changed while they were with me. there is something fundamentally right about the whole experience. something deep down that when you know you know. there is nothing more beatiful in this life than finding that place in yourself, in a drug, in loving someone, in the beauty of life, in seeing something unspoken in another person and you both understand it, in silence, in darkness, in inspiration. swim told me the first time he broke through on dmt was when he "knew" and that it taught him a fundamental truth about life and living that changed his life completely from that moment on. swim said that he wanted to be able to help others be able to reach that because the undying moment... when you see it all and nothing when you lose yourself completely... that is the path to bliss... swim told me that when you change someones life forever for the better that there is nothing that can compare to that. these thingswill change you and often it is for thebetter... those of you who feel thisfervor and repugnance towards those who are not turned on are just feeling the rush of thepower that you realized inyourself the first time you stepped across that final threshhold and ran down the rabbit hole never looking backand never to again retutn to your old life...

[nanobrain]

with the realisation of personal freedom comes great responsibility...

[napoleon in rags]

I used to be a lot more shy and introverted before I started experamenting with RC's... But I chalk it up to just growing up a bit, learning to let my inhibitions go, and caring less about what people think about me.

[Toltec]

Swit is curious about folks that may have used or "ABUSED", ether meth or cocaine in there past, before URC use. Swit has noticed that people that have used theses and ventured into that state of mind i.e. "paranoia" never completely forget this learned behavior which surfaces every once in a while. This behavior just may be triggered by URC's.
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[Beeker]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

and the stupidity of the American people that put him there.

Way to put yourself out there as someone with a very short vision of the reality of humanity and shorter whits; stuck in a western cultural model that groups others in that same cultural model as morons.