Cold Water Extraction + Evaporation

[markdahman]

Well once again hello to all,

Now swim usually just does a cold water extraction with codein tabs and then drinks it,

Add pills to warm water,
chill solution then filter
Now ur left with clear water with codein and caffeine!

Usually SWIM drinks it from there but this time he's been reading up and codein breaks down near 120-150 degrees, and water evaporates at like 100..

So SWIM throws some glasseware in the stove at 95 degrees and pour the codeine/caffeine liquide in it... After about an hour or so SWIMs left with white,tan and brownish type solids. they are more like crystals you see in a dmt extraction or something.

Now SWIM has swallowed some with results but SWIM was wondering if it is supposed ot be this colour and if its possible its freebaseable/snortable maybe.

SWIM also researched and found that the final product has 1% aspirin left in it, codeine, caffeine and cornstrach or something like that when extracted from tylenol tabs. Just thought id add that.
Anyhelp is appreciated... And its codeine sulphate

[no0b]

this is how i do it.. pictures included--->



- crush 'em up for easiest absorbtion through fridge filtered water i'd store at room temp.

- throw a handfull into a glass and wait for about 5 minutes or so to dissolve

- put in a freezer, and pull out when top layer is about to freeze
here's what it looks like during the extraction process in the freezer
- 2 layers


- soak filter in cold water before gently pouring the saturation through the filter into another empty glass

- wait about half an hour 'til all of it is mostly filtered
here's the drip
- the good stuff


- take gunk and toss in some more cold water and try filtering again
all the apap.. yuk


and here it sits under my gecko's heat lamp, this is how i evaporate it
- yea i know there's a lot of water, but i filtered it alot, to get the cleanest result


and this is what it should look like after you've scraped it all out


just let the hydroco h2o sit under a red heat lamp, wait til it gets to the very bottom, 'n start scrapin
- or.. someone also suggested to use a dish with the largest surface area possible., that way all you've got to do is scrape sideways on a flat surface, instead of trying to scrape a cup like i did and have to scrape left right up down east west north south

[acenicho]

Your final picture doesnt work for me (DAMNIT!)

Also, say one day Codeine becomes legal and I decide to try this procedure, would it matter if SWIM used two batches of tables in the same extraction. One set containing codeine and one containing d-codeine? Would the pair crytsalise ok?

[markdahman]

Uhh yes this is also what SWIM does... SWIM evaporates it in a pan dish tho and scrapes it with a blade.. but my question was is having yellow crystals normal? SWIM notes they taste exacly as if u would drink the water without evaporating..

And is it possible to freebase this codeine and make it smokeable

or is it possible to snort this remaining powder? although SWIM hears codein cant be snorted..

[no0b]

the powder that you're left with isn't codeine. it's a cleaner version of hydrocodone, and no it doesn't leave any caffeine... trust me, u wouldn't want codeine anyways, codeine is roughly six times weaker than hydrocodone, PLUS, u could buy some tagamet and convert it into hydromorphone once it's been digested.

don't snort it, that would be retarded. don't smoke it either, that would be just as dumb.. hydrocodone has a high oral bioavailability, which means if ur looking for the quickest way for the hydroco to hit u, eat it. simple as that

[acenicho]

I dont think any OTC products in the UK contain Hydromorphone. So, is it possible for SWIM to mix Codeine and D-Codeine?

[no0b]

u can mix anything u want

[markdahman]

You really must be a noob, you clearly are not reading my posts and just reply! I imagine your trying to get into the sources forum faster! ihate members like you!

Anywasy SWIM is using Tylenol tabs so its not hydrocodone he's left with its CODEINE! And why would it be stupid to wanna snort? Maybe SWIM finds this drug hard on his stomach?

[no0b]

i could care less if u hate members like me. let's just pretend i didn't write a whole page worth of information for u. dick. next time be more specific, and my answer to snorting lies within bioavailability with the hydro, but then again, that was when u weren't being specific. ask someone else

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Making stupid posts to get into sources

[markdahman]

Originally Posted by markdahman

Swim is using Tylenol tabs so its not hydrocodone he's left with its CODEINE! And why would it be stupid to wanna snort? Maybe SWIM finds this drug hard on his stomach?

TYLENOL 3 TABS!! CODEINE! Why are you talking about hydromorphone or w.e. its completly different! Read before you post and quit whineing

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Nice Info on CWE

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by no0b

i could care less if u hate members like me. let's just pretend i didn't write a whole page worth of information for u. dick. next time be more specific, and my answer to snorting lies within bioavailability with the hydro, but then again, that was when u weren't being specific. ask someone else

Ask me, I knew he was talking about codeine. Your the one at fault here No0b. Writing a whole page of information is good but only if it makes sense and i accurate.

Nice info markdahman

[mickenator]

Is it worth waiting for the stuff to evaporate or just drink the results after the cwe?

[Forthesevenlakes]

In SWIM's experience the aqueous result of the CWE is a tad bitter, but perfectly fine to drink. Its best to have alot of water as a chaser right nearby though. Drying only takes extra time and SWIM thinks that having the opiate already in aqueous solution is better for absorption anyway.

[BeetleJuice]

Noob wasent 100% in the wrong,Hydromorphone and codine work the same way when u extract em,so its the same thing,hes talkin about Hydromorphone instead of codine but in the end from beggining to end the methods are the same,nomatter what opiate pharm u use to extract n evap

[Forthesevenlakes]

Hydromorphone is never paired with acetaminophen to SWIM's knowledge, so it wouldnt need to ever have a CWE performed on it. This technique works with hydrocodone and oxycodone as well, but wouldnt work on every opiate, since opiates have different solubilities in water. For example, dont think it works with propoxyphene.

[Psych0naut]

SWIM did a cold water extraction on some codeine/paracetamol pills this morning, of which he took some pictures.
He didn't evaporate the liquid in the final step, but instead drank the liquid.
This is how SWIM did it:


The 25 pills SWIM used, each containing 8mg codeine phosphate and 500mg paracetamol.


SWIM grinded the pills to a fine powder with his mortar and pestle.


SWIM heated 60ml water in his microwave for 35 seconds at 800 watt.


SWIM dissolved the pills in the hot water, it turned very foamy, just like wipped cream.
SWIM stirred it for a while so all the codeine would dissolve.


SWIM cooled the beaker containing the solution in a ice bath, so the small amount of paracetamol that did dissolve, would fall out of solution.


SWIM added some more water so he wouldn't loose to much codeine on the filtering.
SWIM then filtered the solution through a normal coffee filter.


The solution after filtering, crystal clear and only containing a trace of paracetamol.

[INodHardOhYeah]

hmm... SWIM was always under the impression that heat destroyed codeine, is it safe to heat the solution in the microwave?

[Psych0naut]

SWIM heated the water in the microwave before he dissolved the powdered pills in it.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Heat only destroys codeine if it causes the water to boil, SWIM believes. Hot but non-boiling water shouldnt degenerate the end product.

As psych0 mentioned, this is best accomplished by heating the water in the microwave first. Doesnt harm the precious codeine when its later dissolved.

[Klaus]

So the above would work for Paramol to right ?

[Forthesevenlakes]

Originally Posted by Klaus

So the above would work for Paramol to right ?

SWIM looked up the ingredients of Paramol (DHC and acetaminophen/APAP) and yes this procedure would work on that.

[Klaus]

Thanks for that FTSL'S!

[Klaus]

Sorry as swim is a nooobeey but can the above method be used for Soluble Paramol ?

Thanks.

[Psych0naut]

Yes, though it would probaply contain more binders, it won't contain paracetamol, what you don't want in your extract.

[Klaus]

Thanks psychonaut. Swim was hoping to cut down on the work ie grinding ect.
So swin could just desolve, filter and Bobs his uncle ?