Smoking - crack / freebase cocaine ash

[klaatu]

My first post here. Hey, you gotta start somewhere!

Ok then. SWIM is old (I mean like 40!) and has never, ever done any drugs. Swim doesn't even smoke cigarettes. But then one day is tempted by a pretty young lady to try crack. Mmmm.... nice. I mean the lady as well as the crack of course )

So, swim has a lot of learning to do and the friendly neighbourhood internet supplies all the answers. Except one. Why do people put the rocks (or in swim's case they are so small he calls them gravel) onto a layer of ash?

I mean I've searched the forums here and found all the references to ash, but no-one actually says +why+ they use ash.

I suspect it's to stop tiny little bits of crack from dropping through the holes / mesh / gauze / whatever. But then what do I know?

People far cleverer than swim say "Use ash", so swim uses ash. But swim doesn't smoke so getting cigarette ash is a drag (no pun intended. Ok, so I'm a liar - it was!)

Swim will be happier if the clever people here can tell him +why+ ash is o important....

TIA

[Sitbcknchill]

Originally Posted by klaatu

I suspect it's to stop tiny little bits of crack from dropping through the holes / mesh / gauze / whatever. But then what do I know?

You know the answer as you answered it in your own post.........

[klaatu]

Ah, as simple as that. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

The next question is, is there an ash-free substitute?

Klaatu.

[The Dr]

the ash is more there for the rocks to melt into before they vapourise than to stop bits actually falling down...if not enough ash is used the melted drop of oil is much harder to vapourise due to much less surface area.

swims seen and used a pipe that was made from a miniture spirit bottle. (used in prisons) it had a hole carfully carved/gouged/scratched through the bottom for sucking and the neck was tightly packed with course wirewool.

The rock was first melted onto the wire without sucking, then the pipe could be smoked without having to keep it 'upright' as it were. the only trouble is getting a restricted enough air flow, which comes through use of the pipe

[motorhead]

I dont understand why you didnt just go with her and smoke some crack? She will show you an ash free way if you ask her i bet. Just gotta ask her.
cheers

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by The Dr

the ash is more there for the rocks to melt into before they vapourise than to stop bits actually falling down...if not enough ash is used the melted drop of oil is much harder to vapourise due to much less surface area.

Ok, that's something I hadn't heard / realised before Dr. Thanks.

And thanks also for explaining the thinkng behind the wire wool thing too.

I guess I'll have to do a few field trials to compare the two methods when my pecuniary situation is more advantageous. i.e. when I can afford it....

Klaatu

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I dont understand why you didnt just go with her and smoke some crack? She will show you an ash free way if you ask her i bet. Just gotta ask her.
cheers

I strongly suspect she won't know any other way MotorHead. Swim has apparently seen her friends smoking crack too and they all use ash. Given that Swim is in England I wonder if the ash-method is a peculiarly British trait.

However I will do as you suggest and ask.

Thanks.

Klaatu

[CrookedEye]

Use a clear glass tube, with an opening at both ends.. You can commonly find these at little ghetto corner stores, with a tiny fake flower in em.. You break off one end, so it is a small glass tube with openings on both ends.. Then take copper scouring pads(chore-boy) and cut off a nice little chunk to slide into the tube (a little bigger than pea sized, as this is where the drug melts into, to hold the crack from sucking down the tube).. Before rolling it up and sticking it in the tube, you should hold it with some pliars and flame it til copper turns red, to burn off the nasty crap on the copper.. Then shove it down inside just far enough to fit a piece of the rock inside... Then have at it.. You will want to use a poker of some sort to poke the screen through the pipe on occasion to soak up the residue that melts down the pipe, and that'll enable you to get most of the smoke out of it.. That is most crackheads preferred method of smoking and the least wasteful in most cases... Also, don't blame me when you start selling your possessions to get that next hit, cause crack can have that effect on some people..

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

Use a clear glass tube, with an opening at both ends.. You can commonly find these at little ghetto corner stores

I've never seen these over here (UK) Maybe we don't have the right sort of ghettos

Thanks or the explanation of the tube + copper wool (again, we don't have "choreboy" over here - I guess the equivalent is "Brillo") that's pretty much what I've read elsewhere.

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

Also, don't blame me when you start selling your possessions to get that next hit, cause crack can have that effect on some people..

Don't worry, I'll only have myself to blame

Klaatu

[Pinkavvy]

It's to prevent the rock from melting down and wasting away. allow it to melt into the ash (or brilla pad) and then smoke away!

[klaatu]

Thanks for the reply Pinks - can't have any of the precious wasting away!

Any further tips for extracting every last molecule? It's too damn expensive not to make 100% use of!

Someone suggested exhaling into a plastic bag then rebreathing the (now 2nd hand) smoke. Sounds plausible but I didn't know if they were simly takign the piss...

Klaatu

[Pinkavvy]

Some say you can drink the piss of somebody on a meth binge too... but you gotta have some standards! :P lol

But seriously, most of the chemical inhaled is absorbed in the first 3 seconds of the "hit" ... swim would see the re-cycled air as a unnecisary evil ... when smoking anything you need as much oxygen as possible since you're already depriving yourself of some oxygen with each hit.

[CrookedEye]

Just make sure the brillo pads you use are the copper kind, or else you'll get a lungfull of death...

[motorhead]

May I ask why you dont want to use ash? Just curious. I mean it wont do any damage to your lungs, and all the junk has been burned out of it. Theres no taste to it. Not a big deal. Its interesting to see someone at your age looking to experience something like this, most people experiment in their teens or 20's. And you've never done anything else? Man this is gonna rock your world. Let us know how it goes.
cheers

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by motorhead

May I ask why you dont want to use ash? Just curious. I mean it wont do any damage to your lungs, and all the junk has been burned out of it. Theres no taste to it. Not a big deal.

Naturally I can only speak for SWIM.

Well I suppose it's because SWIM is extremely anti-smoking (by that I mean tobacco) and it's the prospect of having to light a cigarette to get the damn ash in the first place that's SWIM's big problem. Weird, no?

Originally Posted by motorhead

Its interesting to see someone at your age looking to experience something like this, most people experiment in their teens or 20's. And you've never done anything else?

Well, yes. SWIM has never done anything before . Well SWIM smoked part of a cigarette when he was a child and a cigar when he was at university - both times he hated it. No pot, no tablets of any kind. Terribly, terribly normal. Although SWIM does have a slight weakness for a decent bottle of wine, so he's not a saint ;-)

Originally Posted by motorhead

Man this is gonna rock your world. Let us know how it goes.
cheers

Laughs. Well SWIM wouldn't describe it as earth-rocking just yet. SWIM's first ever smoke of a rock was just before Christmas and his immediate reaction was to say "Is that it? You mean people kill each other for that?" SWIM was, to put it mildy, underwhelmed!

But SWIM likes the company (a +very+ attrctive young lady) and so has perservered. SWIM has had crack another twice since then, probably doing four or five rocks each time. To be honest the sensation is growing on him. However, he still wouldn't describe it as earth-rocking. Yet. Maybe he's doing something wrong or the crack's crap.

The up-side is that it kills SWIM's appetite and he could do with losing some weight )

But I'll keep you up to date.

Klaatu

[The Dr]

Hmmm.... chaseing a young girl who likes crack sounds like heading for trouble to me. But i'm not here to make judgements.

swim found that the first few times he tried it he didn't really get any major effect, but maybe this was because of only smoking small rocks.
If what you smoke is bought from a dealer then its probably shit. Swim does not advise, but mentions for informational purposes that freebase crack can be easily made from cocaine and ammonia in a spoon. this will be much better than bought rocks.

the pipe matters alot in getting a good hit - a small air chamber is best.

[Sitbcknchill]

^^^ yes but it's easier to use baking soda instead of ammonia to base your cocaine.......swims never bought crack...hes always cooked up his own and thats the best way to do it is to do it yourself....

[motorhead]

Yes this will totally impress the girl if swim can base his own gear!

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by The Dr

Hmmm.... chaseing a young girl who likes crack sounds like heading for trouble to me. But i'm not here to make judgements.

Laughs. Yep - I'll probably get into more trouble over her than any piffling class A drugs!

Originally Posted by The Dr

the pipe matters alot in getting a good hit - a small air chamber is best.

Something else new to me - what the heck's a small air chamber?

Klaatu

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Yes this will totally impress the girl if swim can base his own gear!

Oh yes, it would be very impressive as Swim either blinded himself with the ammonia or blew himself up! He's on Crack 101 still, so might be better to leave that until he first has clue what he's doing.

But it begs the question if Swim's being advised to cook his own crack because the quality of dealt crack is so poor how does he know he's getting decent cocaine to make it from? I keep reading threads that bemoan the quality and complain that it's all cut to hell. Surely trying to make crack with very cut coke isn't going to work.....

Klaatu

[bcStoner420]

It would be ideal if SWIY could find a hookup of at least fairly pure coke. He could then clean/purify it and get almost all the cutters out of it. Then take your purified coke and use the baking soda method to base it. It's much safer than ammonia though it will leave some baking soda behind which really isn't that big of a deal. This would probably end up being expensive but it will make much higher quality product.

As for purifying your coke, do a search the methods are out there. Although if your concerned about making crack with ammonia this could be a problem too. In which case you will just have to trust your coke is decent.

[klaatu]

Well bc I will take your advice to him and see if he's up for it. Although your comment "This would probably end up being expensive" (assuming you mean even more expensive than crack) will probably cause heart failure.

Originally Posted by bcStoner420

As for purifying your coke, do a search the methods are out there. Although if your concerned about making crack with ammonia this could be a problem too.

Yes, he is a coward at heart. But thanks for the intruiging advice which will surely lead him even further into some sort of addiction hell even quicker than using regular crack

Klaatu

[motorhead]

lol ya swim was just being a little tongue in cheek. Dont bother with all the basing stuff, your just a newbie to all this. Moto thinks you should tell swim to go on his date then post back with his opinions and experiences about the dope at hand. And tell him not to forget some details about the girl.

[klaatu]

Very sensible Mr Moto.

Having just read the thread on the forum about how to purify coke I was left *completely* confused so I wouldn't be able to give SWIM any sensible advice. He wouldn't listen to me anyway - he never does.

It so happens that I beleive SWIM hs arranged to meet the young lady in question tomorrow night. Which will probably mean a sleepless night tonight in anticipation if I know him.

I'm sure he will allow me to post back here for your entertainment. Whether I'll be able to get a description of the young lady is quite another matter though.

Thanks for the advice so far.

Klaatu

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[The Dr]

Originally Posted by sitbcknchill

^^^ yes but it's easier to use baking soda instead of ammonia to base your cocaine.......swims never bought crack...hes always cooked up his own and thats the best way to do it is to do it yourself....

it pretty much the same either way - its just with ammonia you don't even need to guestimate how much to use, just cover it with a few drips. the only hassle is getting the ammonia which is harder to find than it used to be, but a bottle is going to last a fair time.

Although there shouldn't be any chemical difference between basing with ammonia or bicarb, the difference is obvious with the smoking. swim always used to use ammonia....then stopped smoking it pretty much all together.

when swim tried with bicarb it lacked the punch that it should have. more than once though it came back as an oil, but the water was crystal clear as if there had been no cut in it at all (yeah right). then after it finnaly solidified it it tasted like shit and didn't even melt properly. the smoke it produced was unsmokable. swim thinks it must have been due to some cut that formed a mixture with the coke. (or maybe it was that NoCo that some crazy dude was chatting about!)

when this happened most recently swim was so pissed off that he marched down to the basment to find a stronger base (no pun intended). The rocks were re-cooked with water and a few grains of lye, which took out the shit into the water and left a smaller ammount of oil. this tasted like it should. (so no NoCo there)

i only say this as a warning of swims dreams. if bicarb produces sweet tasting rocks with swiys coke then stick with it - who would use ammonia for anything if they didnt have to? swim likes to keep trusty bottle of ammonia anyway. its very good for cleaning the tile grout you know.

esentially klaatu, freebasing should purify the cocaine. the crap goes into the ammonia or other basic solution, and the oil floats to the top. you'll only get as much rock out as there is cocaine in there. except if you encounter swims problem with the bicarb etc. you may also be supprised at how much you do get back from the some coke. i don't know how generous the/your dealer is but from the only couple of bought rocks swim has seen, the ammount you get per £ is about the same, sometimes even less (and yours is pure)

a small chamber is a small air-space between foil/ash/rock and mouth/pipe. a n aluminium can (for instance) is too big in swims opinion.

anyway you came here a newbee and your now going to be instructing her on ways of rocking up! what a bad influence we are....