rare drugs and the cops....and their dogs

[genaro]

ok, first do you think that if cops would seize an RC they would be able to find out what it is ?
Meaning as long they don't know what it is there's nothing they can do against possession and I guess that when they seize some powder they don't ever run through spectoscopic analysis (as long as you were not owning some 50-100g quantity) , they would probably just go for the classical tests for coke/amphet/lsd/mdma/heroin and if the test doesn't show up anything (for instance if it's an RC, dmt, dxm powder or such) they would just confiscate the stuff and then leave you in peace (as long as you were not owning big quantities such as 50-100g which would make them much more suspicious and they might wanna go through elaborated analysis methods to find out what the stuff is)
....from what amount (grams) do you think they would think they need to go through complicated analysis to know what the stuff is?

Also, do you know what kind of substances cops-dogs are able to smell ?
I know that dogs are able to smell almost any chemical substance known to man but they arn't trained to flush out each of these, meaning that there are probably chemicals they can smell but that they won't signal the presence to their master (meaning they won't bark at it)...so that even if they can smell every chemicals they probably won't flush out your all OTC phearmaceuticals by barking at your first-aid kit containg antidepressors, sleepin pills and such, right?
So do you think their dogs are trained to bust the most well-known substances (coke, amphet, heroin, mdma, cannabis) or do you think they are trained to bust about any substance which would have a slight solvant/acid/base smell (so the dogs would even bust RC's or stuff like dxm)?

At last, do you think cops would consider the possession of 10g dxm (which is only 10doses) as severly than 10g of heroine (which is a few hundreds of dose)....swim is asking this as he doubt any cops would listen to someone trying to explain them that "for sure 10g dxm looks like a whole lot but it's actually very little as one dose is around 1g, therefore there is clearly no intent to sell"

[Forthesevenlakes]

speaking from experience and firsthand accounts of others', drug dogs are not trained to sniff out dxm, swim can assure you. however, drug dogs will tend to bark at alot of smells, including trace smells of mj (including mj swiy may have smoked in a car a month ago), so be prepared for that eventuality should you be planning on a long road trip. however they fail to respond to dxm, alot of pharmaceuticals (since there is the possibility swiy could have a legal need for these), and swim is betting that RCs are too rare in occurence for dogs to be trained to respond to those. of course, the easiest answer is to not take anything illegal on you when travelling, but hopefully this helps swiy somewhat.

[genaro]

thanks.
Any other people with personal experience of "dogs & rare substances smell" or "cops and rare substances identification abilities" ?

[Pinkavvy]

Swip posted into in a thread last year about a friend of his that was pulled over with "sandwich mthod" 2c-i blotters in her car. She was smart and said nothing at all to the cop, who charged her with posession of LSD. When she got a very good attorney and told the attorney what it was, she was told that she will be getting off scott free. The "evidence" was sent to a statelab to be tested of LSD. Of course, it came up negative. After 6 weeks or so of testing (since they didn't what where to start from, hence the reason to never tell them what it is) they came back with lab results showing it was a "new" chemical to the lab and that is was 2c-i. The attorney moved to mismiss the charges of possession of LSD ... and since when arrested she was smart and didn't say what it was, the prosecuter had not filed additional charges of possesion of an analog, so all charges were dropped.

Remember, the substance my be technically legal for research, when it's in your posession in the form of a consumable, it is no longer legal. So don't try to tell the cop "it's legal, it's xyz" because you will get arrested anyway, and now they know to press charges as an analog and know what to test for. If you keep your mouth shut (as ANY lawyer will advice to you) chances are you will get off.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	great info for anyone to have. important and well-put!
	good advice. It's best to keep members safe.
	Very good advice

[Forthesevenlakes]

excellent post pinkavvy, this is great info for rc users to have in order to protect their rights. swim does not use rcs but has taken this information to heart...swim would also like to point out that dxm may not be legal for human consumption in bulk, and is probably illegal for recreational use where swiy lives, so if swiy gets busted with dxm in bulk (or worse, individual doses), it would be in swiy's best interests to not admit to that either, even if it is technically "legal" to possess.

[Lacognac69]

ya i doubt dogs would be trained to find RC's. However if you do get caught with it they will definitely arrest you anyway for a 3rd degree felony. Definitely don't say anything to the cops, they are 100% full of shit of course. When they do eventually figure out what it is they could def. charge you with possesion of an analog drug. Prob. depends on the prosecutor if they still want to pursue the charges if they do find it to be an analog. Either way be careful because you are guilty till proven innocent anyway.

[old hippie 56]

Over here in Texas, if they can't figure out what it is, the charge is usually called " dangerous substance". Since RCs aren't common here in rural areas. Only heard of a couple of cases lately. Dogs wasn't involved. Never heard of no dogs trained to pick up on designer drugs. Probally cost prohibited.

[fatal]

first and foremost drug dogs are not that scary. swim told me that he had a drug unit go through his car once and they did not find his pot the pipe in his hoodie pocket (which they patted down) or the $ someone who was riding with was holding onto... if you get caught with RCs they will hit you. dont think they just wont ID it and be like oh fuck it... they will find out... they have labs for things like this. see a recent thread somewhere in here where someone was busted having RCs... their dogs mean nothing if you know what you are doing. fear nothing and you will have nothing to fear. be safe.

[fatal]

a couple other notes... no they dont train dogs to sniff designer drugs, but it would be easy especially for something say along the lines of AMT which reeks at times... also DXM at least in the good old USA is actually exempted from the controlled substances act and i would think that makes a case for possession pretty hard to stick in general...