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Old 30-12-2011, 03:07
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Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

hey guys, i'm new here. my dog recently had back surgery and the pain has yet to go away. my dog has screwed with opes recreationally on and off... he's never exceeded 10 mgs of oxycodone or hydrocodone, but he does have a slight tolerance.
my dog has come into possession of a few 4mg hydromorphone's and i was wondering how many he could take orally or MAYBE snort to feel like he is on 10 mg of oxycodone or hydrocodone. every single opioid equivalency calculator he uses gives him different numbers. i just don't want my dog to die or anything.

lesst added 480 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

you know, this is supposedly a "harm-reduction" forum... and i'm just trying to get some help with this. i just don't know why no one can help me, i'm trying to be safe.
i took 4mg orally at 8pm and nothing happened. it is 10pm and idk what to do. should i do 4mgs sublingual? should i take 6mg orally? i do not want to shoot anything.

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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Swallowing dilaudid pills is equivalent to throwing them in the toilet and sending em down to the septic. The bioavailability of oral dilaudid is junk, snorting (which is also a somewhat low BA) should be your next step. Try blowing anywhere from 4mg to 6mg and see where that takes you. You can always add more but you can't take any back once it's up there. If your 100% sold on the idea of not shooting (which is by far the best ROA for dillies) then you should certainly be plugging them if it's some thing you are willing to try. I have plugged dillies and it's by far the best method aside from resorting to the needle. Good luck, be safe, and let us know your experience and what you decided to do.
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

lesst, I'm sorry your post got lost in the shuffle; it just happens that way sometimes.

No one can give you an exact dose of "this much will get you high but not kill you", because every person is different, and even the same person will have different reactions to different drugs, even if they're in the same family. Hell, sometimes the same person has a different reaction to the same drug in the same dose on a different day! It's ANYTHING *BUT* an exact science.

To answer your question(s), though (perhaps you still have some, or someone else might come along with the same question), if you'd done a bit more researching on the effects of Dilaudid (hydromorphone) (as opposed to just dosage equivalency) you'd have discovered that, as DillyD stated, orally it's shite. It's subject to extensive 1st-pass metabolism, sadly.

So, to make the most of hydromorphone, you'd want to insufflate (snort) it, or even better, plug it (crush, mix with small amount of water, insert opiated fluid into your rectal cavity - don't just shove a pill up there, that doesn't work ).

You can always take more, but never take less. Someone with a low enough tolerance to still feel good off 10mg of oxycodone...I'd suggest they try 2mg nasally to start off with. Or 2mg plugged. You can look up info on plugging on the forum, but it's best to get yourself an oral/medicine/baby syringe to do this with. Sometimes the pharmacist will give them to you for free, or you can buy them (in the baby care aisle, usually) for a very small fee. I prefer the 'turkey baster/eye dropper' style to the 'plunger/syringe' style, but either would work just fine (and I actually, the last time I went in to buy one, the only kind available was a package that had one of each).

Hydromorphone is very potent, works well for pain & can be pretty darn euphoric, but the reason you hear about it being the "holy grail" of drug addicts is because there is absolutely *NO* comparison to any other opiate when injected. I know you mentioned not wanting to inject it (and I highly recommend you stick with that decision!!!!), but just didn't want you to be like "why do people like this so much?! it's not so different in effects from oxycodone/hydrocodone!" Because the reason is, the rush when IVing it is so freaking intense as to almost be painful. That's why addicts discuss it so reverently.

But insufflating it worked just great for me, prior to my addiction progressing to IV usage. Plugging was also fantastic, especially if my stomach was bothering me.

Insufflating & plugging both bypass 1st-pass metabolism, which is why they work FAR better than just taking hydromorphone orally. Some opioids, like oxycodone & methadone, work really well orally, because they aren't as affected by 1st-pass metabolism; whereas other opioids, like morphine & hydromorphone, are broken down considerably by the liver (which is where the 1st pass stuff happens).

Anyway, I hope things went okay for you! Again, I'm sorry your post didn't get answered that quickly; it just happens that way sometimes, unfortunately.

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Old 19-01-2012, 09:03
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Swim's first run in with opes was at the age of 16 and it was percocets and they were wonderful, after stopping those and reaching age 22 dillies came into the picture and started with 8mg at a time. After about 2-3 weeks SWIM moved on to 16mg at a time and so on and so forth until SWIM realized the amazing high that came from plugging them, from personal experience dillies are nothing if not plugged but if they are plugged then its best to start low regardless of how you feel your tolerance may be. Start on low doses and move up gradually until the high is how you would like.

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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Well today my cat snorted 12mg of hydromorph contin that was
crushed up with a pharmacy pill crusher.
Those beads are tough to work with, the furball didnt crush them into
a fine powder, almost though.
So the cat snorts the 12mg and thinks the animal will do another 12mg
the same way?
And does...

The cats is happy i see?
Next time im sure the cat will plug it.
Its maybe a bit stronger?
Safer than iv for sure. Dont go there unless you know for sure
that iv is your ROA that you want to take.
The way it is, if you havn't done that first shot.
Dont!
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Dilaudid for fun...I've been on it for over 5 years.
I started out getting an IV dose at the ER about 3-5 times a month for over a year. I'm not going to lecture. I loved the high who wouldn't?

I will tell you how not to ruin it for yourself. I don't get high off it anymore.

I'm an addict, but it is a necessary evil for pain management. I knew that going in.
I screwed myself by starting to shoot it up.

After 5 years of controlled use, I left the hospital an addict, I went in for legit pain management.

Here is now it went Down. Read it and keep it in your pocket use it for strenght against temptation.

The ER docs hated me, flagged me as a drug seeker but the pain escaltes to the point of putting me in shock, before shock I have seizures. So I could suffer for about a week before my body or mind reaches a literal breaking point.

That got too be too much for my body to handle so I got on pain management.

I have detoxed myself on average once a year.
I must do this to bring my tolerance down, mini detoxes I do once every couple months, spending a week in bed. Then after i started shooting it..and after a detox my pain would be out of control I must have it IV to break the pain barrier. The high was great, I allowed myself a little more then I probably needed to simply stop the pain.

I have leanrned ones RX will always eventually not be enough.

I have amazing will power and for years could hoard some pills each month. I get OXYs too.
I had a bottle of over 300 OXYs that was stolen from my home. I'm not upset because the thief probably ruined thier life as a result.
I've never meant anyone with the will power or more accuralty the chemical balance (in the brain) that I have. I'm a freak will all kinds of mental illnesses so my chemical balance is off in many ways.

I was on 40 MG OXY BiD and cut my dose to 20 MG once a day then none but kept refilling my RX. It was legit through a pain management specialist.

I don't spite anyone for wanting to get high. Life can suck and I really don't understand people who wouldn't take, snort, plug and eventually shoot up while under the infience, to feel better. Everyone has pain of some kind. Once they feel the relief that results in experimentation or by chance of course they will seek out that releif again.

The Diluadid helps my emotional pain too. It is not RXd for that but I think that is hypocrisy aside from the zombie like drug seeking state that eventually occurs.

Non narcotic medications that are given freely can have much more damaging effects to the organs and ones chemicals balance. Ironic we have suicide warnings on most anti depressants but not on Dilaidud. If the anti narcotic klan could get a sucide warning on pain meds we'd have it and it would be blown out of proportion.

A neurologist almost killed me because of his anti narcotic nazism, I was given a non narc drug until I had permanent heart damage caused by it, to this day one more dose of the med could stop my heart.

Why it is considered dirty and shameful for a pain medication to allivate a patients emotional state is non sensical. And the rules idiotic, I'm not allowed to SAY what will save my life from seizures and shock. I am supposed to hope the doctor will figure it out. I've had kind doctors stop me mid sentence and say, don't tell me because then I can't give it to you.

Another type of ER doc, depsite being a mere human-being who has spent 2 minutes with me, thinks he is God,they cause the most damage.

Nothing but Diludid is strong enough, period.

Last doctor who decided to make a stand, as if a decade of my experience and my pain management doctors expertise was beneath is bottom feeder ER doc status. He almost caused my death. His arrogance didnt kill me but the result was me becoming a full fledged addict.

By the time he realized throwing every med at me but the one that would work was not going to help, it was too late to administer the Dilaudid, my BP w too low and heart rate too high.

I ended up in the ICU, by then twice the normal amount of Diludid was needed to keep me from going into shock. After a week of IV Dilaidud every 2 hours (2 MG) and 4 MG oral every two hours I felt a lot better but he screwed me and my tolerance! Now how was my normal pill RX going to touch my pain?
I ran out in a brief moment of clarity of fear I should have felt much sooner.

I had to AMA, leave against Medical Advice. Not an easy choice when one is getting so much Dilaudid, a high every two hours. I 'had' to start shooting up my pills after I got home just to keep from having to go back to the ER with out of control pain.

That doctor ruined my brain. Everyone has a switch point.
Mine was just much harder to switch then most.

A point where the more primitive part of our brains starts running the show.
A point where we truly are no longer running the show.

Even though shooting up didnt make me high, I was driven to shot just one more pill.

I lost count of how many times was suppossed to be the last time and each promise of being the last time I increaed the regular dose to 8 MG even though I knew I was going to run out of pills and be so so sick.
I did this for over a year. Each time end of month promising to never do more then I had, the pain of withdraw plus regular pain was is in no way worth the 3 minutes of high

It takes no time for a high that cost 2 MG to need 8mg and sooner then later one gets only a few second high. And very sick after just 4 hours between shots. The brain is broken and I will never be able to enjoy a controlled manner of getting a high. Just one shot will lead to a binge that lasts until I run out.

I know it won't get me high and is only assuring I will run out before I can get more, but still waste a pill for nothing. I will keep shooting until I get sick, my head pounding and in too much pain to prep another shot, basically until I OD every time. I guess this is why addicts OD, I never understood how an experienced drug user could OD. Now I get it.

Never shoot it.

It's not worth the short lived high, you will be throwing away being able to enjoy the medication in any form.

Your brain will go into autopilot and this is what is referred to as chasing the high. You get to enjoy shooting up for a little while but it always ends up the same for everyone. Some only really enjoy the first time. You won't find many willing to admit it because most can't until they stop using and most don't stop until they are dead or in jail.

No one ever knows what pill, snort,plug or shot or what amount will be the one that switches the brain from being able to use recreationally to true addiction. Drug seeking is a zombie like state where the addict justifies so deeply they don't see it, or just doesn't have any self left to truly see what they have become.

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Old 23-03-2013, 19:26
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

All great stories everyone. Shows how fast tolerance can build & how to obtain a better bio-availability what individuals are dispositioned to do. Does anyone have a straight-forward answer to the original question though? I am curious of what mg an oral dose would be too. 8-12mg is enough to tide over my one cat, but the other will not sniff, plug, or shoot, leaving oral. Think 16mg oral would do anything to a cat that weighs 200~ish lbs or would that be a complete waste of some coinage?
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

If someone had a tolerance where about 30-35mg of oxycodone would give them a lift, how much mg would be needed for a nice buzz if snorting the hydromorphone and if plugging the hydromorphone?
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Trd, there is really no way of knowing exactly. I'll relate a story: I was about 7 months into heroin addiction, could eaisly shoot 50 bucks worth in a shot and be fine. I was sick one day and someone offered me a 4 mg hydromorphone. I ate it (IDK why i didn't shoot it) and within half an hour I was high as fuck, nodding out and everything. Tried it again years later with no habit and got nothing from eating or snorting 4 mg. Threshold from snorting 8 mg but very minor (and remember these pills are no cheap). IV was the only way I could get off.

What I'm saying is that even with my habit, the first time I only ate 4 mg and got high as fuck but the next time even without a habit, I could not get off unless I injected it (never tried rectal). So you should start low with your dose. Start with 2 mg. I would plug it for sure. Fuck snorting it, plugging supposed to be the next strongest to iv. You should know if it's enough within half an hour or so. If not, do another 2 mg.

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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Thank you for the information, I will plug 2mg and see what happens. Yesterday I snorted 6mg of hydromorphone and felt something.......something.........

I will do a trip report if I feel something........errr......when I feel something.

Well, I am about to give up plugging forever and a day. This has been my fourth time trying to plug something. My insides have been "cleared out", I have made sure that each time it was powdered pill mixed with enough water, I have put the needle-less plunger both half way into opening and just about a half inch in, and I have made sure to lay down at least 30 minutes...............nothing. Nothing from the morphine, nothing from the roxy's, and nothing now from the hydromorphone.

Honestly, this is starting to get ridiculous. I played it safe as suggested in answer to my specific question in this thread. I plugged 2mg of hydromorphone, then after feeling no euphoria, nod, rush, or anything opiate like in any way, I plugged another 2mg of hydromorphone.........and nothing.

I have no clue what in the hell I am doing wrong but it's annoying to find these pills to try this experience just to be severely disappointing.

I am trying one more time in three hours with 4mg of hydromorphone, if I feel nothing from that, I am done. If anyone has any suggestions, comments, or helpful tips, I am all ears.

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I had plugged 4mg more to make 8mg in total in about an hour and a half. I do feel something. There is really no euphoria like with oxycodone or hydrocodone even. I can feel something but it's like I took 35mg oxy after not having it for a while or 40mg hydrocodone after not having it for a while. I am itching a little and feeling kind of tired but then again I worked graveyard last night. I am chewing on a half pot cookie in hopes to knock myself out.

I am thinking if I were to plug 6mg to 8mg tomorrow at one time I might feel this "super awesome and cool" feeling these pills are supposed to give. I don't want to push it to far, but I am thinking 8mg should be good enough.

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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Today after work, my feline snorted 4mg which resulted in a little buzz. An hour later, just plugged 8mg (first time ever plugging). Effects are starting to hit pretty good. He can still feel himself climbing. Room is getting hot and limbs are getting lazy. Feels nasuea, but I'm sure he'll be fine.

You know that it works when you throw up immediately after taking a leak & don't think twice about it, lol.

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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

My aunts pet zebra had a really high oxy tolerance .. Because of horrible neuropathic pain.
It has been on 20mgx4 daily for a while now
This wasnt enough for the pain so the zebra acquired 4mg hydros
And put them up its nose
Half of the crushed up 4mg made the zebra high as shit - pain levels decreased
And it nodded off into a blissful opiate coma.
Works every time without fail, it said.
However , 10-20g of oxy done the same way leaves it with no effects at all

Hope that helps. Good luck
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Up until my recent sub program I was taking 5 or 6 30mg oxys per day, usually 1 or 2 at a time.

People told me the dilly was going to blow me away and 20+ years ago when I used a spike 8mg was the bomb. But recently I would snort 16mg in one sitting and it just wouldn't hit me hard the way I expected it to--not as hard as 60mg of oxy in one sitting. So that is my experience, hope it is helpful.
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

trdofbeingtrd, I have experienced the same frustration as you have recently in regards to plugging.
Made a thread here and on bluelight cuz I tried plugging morphine on several different occasions and had no success. Am sure I did everything right. Evacuated my colon right before the procedure, laid on left side for a long time...fuckin a...now I got hydromorphone and plugging isn't working with that either.
I don't understand why it seems like everyone except me (and I guess you too) can really enjoy plugging.
I get virtually no effects from plugging. Its very similar to taking it oral. No rush or high like people describe. I'm doing everything right like how people explain in threads. Why isn't plugging working!?
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Re: Trying to be safe eating hydromorphone/dilaudid... dose help?

Plugging doesn't work for my neighbour either. Tried at least 20 times now he says !
Strange isn't it. You're not the only one. Maybe your rectums are both against this sort of assault ..lol
My pet zebra still insufflates successfully, but now after more than 6 months , is wheezing and concerned about the pill dust causing issues
He only does it because oral hydromorphone does not work and seems to be a waste. Every pain specialist he has seen gives him small doses of abuse proof oral meds that are ineffective.
When he is in severe pain, up the nose works for him 100% of the time ( 12mg).
He isn't proud, but pain will drive people to do anything that gives the body a break from the stress of it.

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