Injecting - Tips on IM ketamine

[raven3davis]

Okay SWIM decided to start this thread because so many people want to know some tips on injecting Ketamine such as which type of needle to use. SWIM has done some searching on ketamine on these forums and no users have offered a clear cut answer to the question "what type of needle should I use?"

SWIM decided to help some mates out and offer his advise. He is knew to ketamine but has done some research on injecting ketamine so he would do the right thing. SWIM is no medical expert and does not recommend injecting ketamine in the first place, but if you decide to take the plunge, here are some tips.

The needles you want are going to be 1cc 29g ultra fine syringes. These needles have been perfect for SWIM and friends and should be fine unless SWIR has a lot of body fat. The 1/2 inch should be okay but if SWIR has a lot of body fat then they may want a longer needle. In SWIMs experience, 1/2 inch is plenty long.

Some people have said that 29g is too thin and you might break it off in the muscle but this is not too big of a problem.

There is one problem with the 1cc needles. SWIM likes to take 100++mg IM which is a whole syringe full. If you want to inject more with this type of syringe you would need 2 shots or get a different needle. SWIM just does two seperate injections but hopefully he can find some 2cc needles soon.

Where to inject?

Check out this site it shows some nice diagrams of where to do IM injections.

http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm

SWIM has successfully injected into the deltoid and thigh with this type of needle. Check the page for information on injecting.

SWIM only recommends injecting liquid ketamine. powder Ketamine could be cut and you dont want to inject anything but ketamine.

always use rubbing alcohol on the vial and injecting site. Clean the rubber part of the vial with some alcohol and stick the syringe in. Draw up however much ketamine you need into the syringe. Once you have your dose flick the syringe to get out the bubbles and push the plunger the slightest bit to get all the air out. Note thate bubbles will not kill you as some have suggested. Get them out anyways.

Most ketamine is 10mg/ml and 1ml = 1cc so the 100 unit syringes are perfect for this type of ketamine. Each unit is one mg so a full syringe is a 100mg dose.

Clean the injection site with alcohol. You might want to flex the muscle before injecting to find the best spot but do not flex when you inject the ketamine. Relax your muscle and stick the needle in. The more you fuck around the more it will hurt. Just stick it in and it wont hurt too much.

Once the needle is in the muscle pull back the plunger to make sure you dont get any blood. If there is no blood then you slowly inject the ketamine. It should take like 20 seconds to inject a syringe full. Pull out the needle and you are done.

If there is blood then hold some cotton to the wound for a seconds to get rid of the blood. Massaging the muscle soon after the injection might hurt a bit but it will pay off the next day. You wont be as sore and are less likely to bruise.

That is about all SWIM can think of for now. There is a lot of information out there but everyone has their own opinion on the techniques you should use.

Any additional comments or experiencs would be appreciated. It really is not rocket science. Stick the needle in the muscle and slowly inject. It is much easier to do than an IV injection.

SWIm has done two injections within 30 seconds of each other and the area is barely sore the next day.

Feel free to ask any questions. SWIM is no expert but can probably offer more specific questions if you have any.

Next time SWIM does an injection he might take some pictures of his own to demonstrate the procedure. With this information anyone can figure it out. 29 guage needles are very thin but SWIM has heard of people using 25g also.

thhhhhhhhats all folks. hope this helps someone

Reputation Comments on this post:

	good post

[enquirewithin]

Fascinating web site, very detailed. I suspect the target audience is not K users!

[raven3davis]

yea the target audience is probably steroid users but the injection pictures really help. Check out the dude who is injecting into his pecks! That just seems like a bad idea for some reason :/

[enquirewithin]

Yes, it is helpful as is your post. Some of the injections do look gross, somehow. Funny, there are no pictures of injecting into the butt!

[Psych0naut]

Actually, there is.Look at glute.

[enquirewithin]

^So there is!

[Beltane]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

The needles you want are going to be 1cc 29g ultra fine syringes. These needles have been perfect for SWIM and friends and should be fine unless SWIR has a lot of body fat. The 1/2 inch should be okay but if SWIR has a lot of body fat then they may want a longer needle. In SWIMs experience, 1/2 inch is plenty long.

28, 28.5 are fine. Hell, depending on your comofort level you can go as low as you want. SWIM's used 25 for kicks. 28.5 is what he usually finds available. 29 is too fine, in SWIM's opinion, to be good for much.

1/2 inch is too short. 1 inch is better for true IM injection even on people w low body fat.

Originally Posted by raven3davis

There is one problem with the 1cc needles. SWIM likes to take 100++mg IM which is a whole syringe full. If you want to inject more with this type of syringe you would need 2 shots or get a different needle. SWIM just does two seperate injections but hopefully he can find some 2cc needles soon.

This can be a problem. SWIM likes injecting and, when only doing IM, will use same point several times. So he just loads and shoots 1CC, loads and shoots 2nd, then loads 3rd and lays that too the side before laying back. If there's only one point available say.

Originally Posted by raven3davis

Where to inject?

Good question. Without reading the site, b/c SWIM knows all about steroids already, best spots are external delts and upper _&_ outer quadrant of the butt (fun with the right friend

Remember 2 things tho. One is that ANY muscle will do. Two is that if you hit a vein you'll go under way harder and faster, but it's not all that dangerous unless you're standing and fall and hit your head on something.

Originally Posted by raven3davis

always use rubbing alcohol on the vial and injecting site. Clean the rubber part of the vial with some alcohol and stick the syringe in. Draw up however much ketamine you need into the syringe. Once you have your dose flick the syringe to get out the bubbles and push the plunger the slightest bit to get all the air out. Note thate bubbles will not kill you as some have suggested. Get them out anyways.

Important tip: If you're lucky enuf to get the stuff in the original 10CC bottles, here's how you load a syringe. Suck as much air into your rig as the amount of Ketamine you plan to draw out. Put needle (full of air) into bottle and turn both upside-down. Now "inject" your amount of air creating an "inverse vacuum" which makes it much easier to draw out the K you want.

Originally Posted by raven3davis

Most ketamine is 10mg/ml and 1ml = 1cc so the 100 unit syringes are perfect for this type of ketamine. Each unit is one mg so a full syringe is a 100mg dose.

Clean the injection site with alcohol. You might want to flex the muscle before injecting to find the best spot but do not flex when you inject the ketamine. Relax your muscle and stick the needle in. The more you fuck around the more it will hurt. Just stick it in and it wont hurt too much.

Agreed. Insert the needle like a dart. SWIM had a surgeon inject him once w/ K and she went slow and it hurt more. Aim, fire, done.

Originally Posted by raven3davis

Once the needle is in the muscle pull back the plunger to make sure you dont get any blood. If there is no blood then you slowly inject the ketamine. It should take like 20 seconds to inject a syringe full. Pull out the needle and you are done.

Good info, tho SWIM doesn't bother much with it. He injects 1CC in about 5 seconds and he no longer bothers to pull back and see if there's blood since, due to other reasons, he knows it's pretty tough to hit a vein and won't kill you even if you do.

Originally Posted by raven3davis

Any additional comments or experiencs would be appreciated. It really is not rocket science. Stick the needle in the muscle and slowly inject. It is much easier to do than an IV injection.

AMEN! One of the reasons SWIM loves K is that IM is so frickin' easy!

- B

Reputation Comments on this post:

another great post by beltane. he went over every aspect of the first post and added his own information.

[an_user]

SWIM has a vile of powder ketamine, and although SWIY has recommended to not use it due to impurities, COULD it be done anyways (melt powder on spoon)? And if so, SWIY has mentioned "a syringe full"...SWIM can't imagine such a small amount of powder ketamine turning into a syringe full of liquid k...or could it?

[enquirewithin]

There is no need to heat ketamine. It will dissolve in water. Measure out however much K you want-- probably start with 50 mg-- and dissolve it in about 1 cc of water. A small amount of powder can turn into any amount of liquid!

[an_user]

Does it need to be sterile water or something of the sort? Or can SWIM just use bottled water?

[INodHardOhYeah]

This fact is not known widely enough but bottled water and distilled water contain more bacteria than tap water on average. Best to just use tap, or if you really want to you can boil it for 20 minutes, allow to cool, and then use.

What you really want to use is sterile injecting fluid, but it requires a prescription.

[djesus]

First off, HI. I admire your forum here.

Are all brands of Ketamine safe to inject IM or are there only certain brands that are safe for humans?

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by djesus

First off, HI. I admire your forum here.

Are all brands of Ketamine safe to inject IM or are there only certain brands that are safe for humans?

As far as SWIM knows, it's are the same drug for both man and beast. so as long as its pure ketamine, it should be OK. Some brands are more 'psychedelic' than others.

[Nagognog2]

"but bottled water and distilled water contain more bacteria than tap water "

Distilled means the water has been boiled and run through a condenser back to liquid form from being steam. There should be NO bacteria present in this if purchased from a reputable company. Photographic stores often sell "Triple-Distilled Water" - which would be the best for chemical uses requiring nothing interesting swimming about.

[djesus]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

As far as SWIM knows, it's are the same drug for both man and beast. so as long as its pure ketamine, it should be OK. Some brands are more 'psychedelic' than others.

Thanks, thats what SWIM was concerned about. Some brands being made for humans and others for animals. SWIM wasnt sure if the animal brands were safe to go IM in humans.

[Down-the-k-hole]

SWIM has only ever taken K by insufflation but would like to try IMing it. Generally SWIM will start with around 75-80mg and take further 50mg's when needed, usually going up to around 500mg (notably SWIM has never k-holed by this method!)

SWIM wonders what a safe amount for first time IMing would be & also wonders if insufflation tollerance affects IM tollerance?

[arman]

Originally Posted by Down-the-k-hole

SWIM wonders what a safe amount for first time IMing would be & also wonders if insufflation tollerance affects IM tollerance?

Here is all SWIM knows (SWIM is such a b*tch on ketamine):

for first time the safe (and still good) dose is 70-80mg. But SWIY probably do not k-hole on it. Cause ketamine insufflation tolerance also applies to IM ketamine, at last they are the same substance getting into blood.

Although some IM ketamine tolerance will be there due to injection to the same muscle (cause the muscle do not allow the drug to go to the blood stream easily) but as SWIM described there is no tolerance in insufflation ketamine that IM ketamine doesn't have.

So SWIY should start from about 100mg-110mg, SWIM guesses, it also depends on your weight.

SWIM recommends injecting it to SWIY's thigh muscle cause this is the easiest injection site in his opinion, SWIM IMed ketamine first time on his thigh.

After injecting tens of time, SWIM recommends sitting on a small-chair/bed with SWIY's right leg almost straight (SWIY should open his leg in front of himself until he feel least pressure on his thigh muscle, he can touch it to ensure least pressure on it). Then SWIY should draw the needle to it , test for blood and inject slowly (to avoid pain) then withdraw needle quickly and sharply.

then SWIM recommends SWIY to lie on his back and wish himself a nice trip, destroy all his fears and remember after trip everything will be just like before.

the lower didn't harm the first time but the higher may do.

[arman]

Originally Posted by djesus

Thanks, thats what SWIM was concerned about. Some brands being made for humans and others for animals. SWIM wasnt sure if the animal brands were safe to go IM in humans.

SWIM IMed "animal brands" tens of times, so he thinks it should be safe, atleast for him.

[bewilderment]

Swim recently acquired some diabetic needles and syringes for use in her experimentation with ketamine. She, too, has heard that a 1inch-1 1/2 inch needle is ideal. She figured 28g was alright so she got some of these, but upon opening noticed that despite her research and her taking into account things such as needle length she had neglected to check on the needle length and apparently they are 1/2". She doesn't have any K at the moment, but will sometime within the next few weeks.

The first post on here was reassuring for swim because she was considering ordering more syringes/needles...apparently her's are not detachable so she can't just order the correct size needle. She's also running low on cash and would rather not order anything else as these things have to be bought in bulk and even though each syringe is cheap individually, the money adds up when buying the big boxes. Swim is not sure whether to give it a go with the needles she currently has or to suck it up and get some more. And, if she were to get some more, how would she dispose of this box of syringes/needles...a box of 100 needles and syringes looks a bit suspicious to throw out.

So, are they usable or not? If so, which intramuscular injection sites on the body have the least fat and easier to get to the muscle with such short needles (Note: swim doesn't have a large amount of body fat)?

Also, swim is getting the powder (she has access to vials as well, but they are slightly more expensive). Swim knows where the compound is coming from and that it is pharmaceutical grade, professionally dehydrated out of the vials and not cut with anything. Most sites I've seen suggest putting some distilled water in with ketamine and heating inside of a vial. Swim doesn't own a vial so what could she use instead? Also, is this step necessary so long as the needle is sterile and the water distilled? I've also read of people using filters such as cotton to draw the liquid into the syringe, again is this step necessary with ketamine?

[raven3davis]

Cotton can be used regardless. It will make it easier getting the ketamine into the syrginge without making the blade dull.

SWIM has never had a problem with 1/2 28/29 guage needles. HMMM.... maybe he isnt doing a true IM injection and it is really sd, but the ketamine sure did hit him and every one of his friends prettty damn hard when they injected themselves. None of them have a lot of body fat either.

When SWIM throws away needles he puts them in an empty soda bottle. Tighten the hell out of the top and spraypaint it if you really want to be inconspicuous. SWIM would recommend just paying extra for the vial if you want to inject the ketamine. It makes things a lot easier and the ketamine will probably be more sterile.

There is no reason to use heat unless the ketamine will not fully dissolve. Heat should only be applies to separate binders from actives or with chemicals that need a big of heat to make them go into soultion. SWIM does not know if ketamine would require heat but he does not think so. have fun in the k hole!

BTW swim likes injecting into his thigh and delt, those are the easiest in his opinion.

[arman]

no need for heat at all, ketamine will dissolve in water easily at room temprature, just give it a little time.

cotton is not needed in my opinion, cause SWIY knows that ketamine is pharmaceutical grade, so just add ditilled water, SWIY can use a little dish or spoon for dissolving ketamine into water. SWIY can also use the distilled waters bottle, and its a better option if possible because the bottle is sterile and SWIY just had to add k powder.

short needle should be okay but SWIY can test your thigh by placing her skin (at injection site) between her fingers. by using this way SWIY knows how much fat is there and if the needle is large enough to go into muscle. there is also another way to be sure needle is in muscle and thats pushing needle slowly into her body, if she feels that she reached a harder layer which needs more pressure, she can be sure she has reached the muscle (a little bit more pain). BTW, I've never touched a girl's thigh to know how much fat is there. but im sure there is more fat than mans. but I guess I love girls with very small amount fat in their thighs (but not for doing K)

raven3davis's way of disposing is pretty good.

SWIM remembers his first time, he was sitting with the needle in his hand for about 10 mins just to figure out how to draw the needle in. just relax, nothing dangerous if SWIY selects a correct injection site.

waiting to see SWIY's experience on ketamine experiences thread

[bewilderment]

Yeah, swim was also concerned about the extra amount of fat usually found in females. She's thinking that the thigh would not be the optimal and is considering the deltoid where there seems to be a smaller layer of fat. She also seemed to get the impression that K would not need to be heated since it is soluable in water, but she had read one or two articles in places that suggested otherwise. Thanks for clearing that up.

The soda bottle thing also sounds like a good idea, especially if she ends up throwing away the entire box of 100 syringes. Swim is going to continue searching around to see if she can find any cheaper needles that would be more appropriate, but if she doesn't see any to her satisfaction then she'll go ahead with the experiment using the 1/2" needles.

Also, for testing the needles to see if they are long enough, would it be okay to just inject an empty sterile needle to see if she reaches the muscle (not actually pushing air, of course, just putting the needle in and then pulling out)? Swim doesn't want to load up a syringe with K, and try to inject only to find out that the needle isn't long enough and she has now wasted her ketamine that she could've just insufflated...

And, yeah, swim may consider the vials if she finds that after using this route of administration, she no longer wants the powder. But, it's simply easier because her spouse also likes ketamine, but is quite needle-phobic (says swim has to leave the room when injecting or she'll freak out at the sight of it) so at least the powder can be used for both people in the house. Although, I suppose swim could dehydrate the vials, but rehydrating the powder seems much easier.

Oh, and one more question. If swim were to screw up and accidentally to a subcutaneous injection with the ketamine if it were to not reach the muscle, then what are the consequences of that? Is it harmful or pretty innocuous?

Thanks, you guys have been much help!

[raven3davis]

SWIM believes a subcutaneous injection of ketamine will work fine. He has heard that if you dont reach the muscle the ketamine can somhow leak and not be fully absorbed, but SWIM has not heard any first hand accounts of this happening.

You can stick an empty syringe into your muscle but how exactly will you know if you hit a muscle? SWIM wouldnt waste his time or a needle.

[bewilderment]

Well, swim was going by the post above. It sounds plausible (don't know from experience) that one could tell the difference when the needle passes through the dermis and into the muscle which should be a bit tougher to push into. Swim isn't worried about the loss of one needle because she has a whole lot more than she actually needs at the moment. She probably will end up skipping this particular experiment (trying the needle out beforehand), but is still considering it since it would give her more of an idea of whether or not she should order a different needle size before her ketamine stock is replenished.

Although, she's been thinking about it and believes that even if she were to go with ordering another size before receiving the K, she would still check it out to see if the other needle size works as well. It'd be a waste to throw out an entire box if they are suitable for swim's purpose. So, in any case there will probably be an update in a week or two to report the results.

She doesn't really plan for this to be her main route of administration, but thinks it would be a good use of ketamine on certain occasions. She enjoys the ease of insufflation, and doubts she would switch methods entirely. Then again, she could be wrong since as of yet she doesn't personally know the difference in effects between the two routes (although she has, of course, read plenty enough to know that the experience is supposed to be much more intense which is why she is doing this...she had hopes before trying ketamine that it would be more of an exploration tool and not a recreational drug therefore this route is much more suitable for my intentions). She also doesn't know whether she will find injection uncomfortable or not. There's a greater possibility of mostly switching administration routes depending upon the two variables above. Right now, she has more in mind that she can use the powdered K for more recreational purposes...namely, when others are hanging out as well or as a nice little boost during a hallucinogenic trip (she's found it to be pleasant with mushrooms for example). She plans on using the injection route more for psychonautical purposes for nights when she wants to explore her psyche and will not be ingesting any other drugs.

[bewilderment]

Just a quick update. I found this on another site regarding intramuscular injection into the delts:
"Instructions:
The above photos indicate the injection locations for all 3 deltoid muscle heads.

Inject directly into the middle of each deltoid muscle head.

25gauge to 30gauge half inch (13mm) to 1 inch (25mm) long needles are adequate."

So, since it says here as well that half inch is adequate for this particular injection site at least, swim decided not to buy the extra needles and will be trying this will the 1/2" probably later on in the week.