Khat

[esroim]

Anyone tried this? What did you think? It's either khat or nutmeg as I have no time to sort any other shit out. I did nutmeg before but nothing really happened and I don't want to take more than I did before because of all the side-effects.


So khat, opinions please.....

[manda]

I'll help you...nutmeg comes in labeled bottles.

[manda]

If you're not sure, don't do it. I wasn't being totally sarcastic, nutmeg should be identified on the outside of the bottle. If someone gave you a mystery spice, throw it out.

[Pinkavvy]

yes, if you dont' know, don't use it.





besides, in my experience, both suck.

[manda]

I've heard nutmeg makes you sick as a dog. When we were kids, drugs were all over the place- never even thought of taking substitutes.

[esroim]

I don't think you really understood what I was saying. It's not that I've got something and I don't know if it's khat or nutmeg!


I want to know what you think I should choose to get- khat or nutmeg. As I've said I don't know if I want to do nutmeg again but I've never tried khat.

[BIgE]

Try Kratom my Friend ..its very much like a high you get from lortab and it relieves craving for opium addiction including painkillers..Its the closest thing i've found thats legal that i can have a good time with and relieve my addiction to painkillers that i developed while in the Hospital..


The trick here is to get good Kratom fortunately there is a couple of online vendors that i use that have pretty good Kratom..I usually make tea and smoke a kratom joint later and it will give me relief allmost allday..


Good Stuff but it tastes like a ...Bitter Ass..You have use sugar or just Smoke it..Good Luck

[esroim]

Wtf is lortab? And when you say relief what do you mean?


Tell me more, I'm somewhat intrigued....

[str8ballin]

Lortab is a pain killer and is stronger than Vicodin.Makes you feel drunk but you're really not.Just a laid back and chilled kinda buzz.

[esroim]

What are the side effects of Lortab/Kratom/Vicodin?

[manda]

Lortab/Vicodin- In high doses they'll knock you out, in smaller doses a feeling of well-being and euphoria..Vicodin and Lortab are both pain relievers that doctors prescribe for higher amounts of pain... The coedine, percocet, percodan, that's the weaker stuff. Vicodin someone I know takes for back pain. Lortab is up there with vicodin. I took 6 vicodin once, nothing else, and it gave me a feeling of ease and well being, though I had to report to court and serve a mandatory ten-day sentence for my first time in the slammer. I took it at 9:00 am approx, I was asleep until 4:00 about...

[manda]

"Khat" the new men's colonge- it sounds like something that would be advertised in a gay magazine....and inkbe sounds like a little elf (the supposed rip off company)and I sound like a real expert, ay guys?

[str8ballin]

Percocet would be stronger than Vikes and Lortab,not weaker.Percocet is the same as OxyContin,and that definitely is not a weak opiate!



Maybe Codeine and Percodan are weaker,but definitely not Percocet.

[esroim]

Firstly is perocet a chemical present in a perscribed drug or is it a drug on it's own? Any info on it's legal status?


Is Vicaden a chemical present in a pescribed drug or is it a drug on it's own?Any info on it's legal status?


Is Lortab a chemical present in a prescribed drug or is it a drug on it's own? Any info on it's legal status?


Ifit was to get my hands on either khat, percocet, vicaden or lortab how much would I have to bring each one individually? Also how much should I take at one time excluding alcohol? It's for about 2 or 3 daysand I might have to bring some for a friend so count as for two people.


Thanks

[str8ballin]

Vicodin is composed of Hydrocodone and Tylenol.The hydrocodone is what f**ks you up the most.



Lortab is composed of hydrocodone and acetaminophen. Acetaminophen is used to reduce both pain and fever.Thus it gets you more f**ked up than Vicodin.



Percocet is the best out of the three.It contains acetaminophen and oxycodone.Oxycodone is used for its calming effect and for pain.

Khat sounds fun

[esroim]

And the side effects??

[BIgE]

<H1>Heres some interesting reading on khat that found ..Enjoy</H1>
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<H1>Everything about Qat/khat/kat</H1>KHAT (KAT) Because khat contains ephedrinelike compounds it seems best included in this section [a setion on Amphetamines]. Lewin (1931) gave a brief account of khat and how it was used. Apparently it was taken socially to produce excitation, banish sleep, and promote communication. It was used as a stimulant to dispel feelings of hunger and fatigue.


The natives chewed young buds and fresh leaves of catha edulis (_Celastrus edulis_). This is a large shrub which can grow to tree size. It originated in Ethiopia and spread until its use covered Kenya, Nyasaland [now Malawi], Uganda, Tanganyika [now Tanzania], Arabia, the Congo, Rhodesia [now Zimbabwe and Zambia], and South Africa. The khat trees are grown interspersed between coffee trees.


Khat was used in Yemen even before coffee and it was immensely popular. Lewin described khat markets to which khat was brought in bundles of branches from the mountains.


Khat contains cathine (d-norisoephedrine), cathidine, and cathinine. Cathine is also one of the alkaloids found in _Ephedra vulgaris_. It is fortunate, perhaps, that khat is also very rich in ascorbic acid which is an excellent antidote to amphetamine-type compounds.


In animals, khat produces excitation and increased motor activity. In humans, it is a stimulant producing a feeling of exaltation, a feeling of being liberated from space and time. It may produce extreme loquacity, inane laughing, and eventually semicoma. It may also be an euphorient and used chronically can lead to a form of delirium tremens. Galkin and Mironychev (1964) reported that up to 80% of the adult population of Yemen use khat. Upon first chewing khat, the initial effects were unpleasant and included dizziness, lassitude, tachycardia, and sometimes epigastric pain. Gradually more pleasant feelings replaced these inaugural symptoms. The subjects had feelings of bliss, clarity of thought, and became euphoric and overly energetic. Sometimes khat produced depression, sleepiness, and then deep sleep. The chronic user tended to be euphoric continually. In rare cases the subjects became aggressive and overexcited. Galkin and his colleague observed 51 subjects who had taken khat. Of these, 27 became excited, 18 became somnolent, and 6 remained unchanged. The respiratory rate and pulse rate were accelerated and the blood pressure tended to rise. The subjects also had a decrease in the functional capacity of the cardiovascular system. Lewin, L. (1931) "Phantastica, Narcotic and Stimulating Drugs."
(Translation of 1924, German edition.) Routledge and Kegan Paul, London

AUTHOR Weir, Shelagh.
TITLE Qat in Yemen : consumption and social change
London : Published for the Trustees of the British Museum by British Museum
Publications, c1985.
CALL NO. HV 5822 Q3 W34x 1985
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WHAT IS KHAT?


Khat(pronounced "cot") is a natural stimulant from the Catha Edulis plant, found in the flowering evergreen tree or large shrub which grows in East Africa and Southern Arabia. It reaches heights from 10 feet to 20 feet and its scrawny leaves resemble withered basil.


Fresh Khat leaves are crimson-brown and glossy but become yellow- green and leathery as they age. They also emit a strong smell. The most favored part of the leaves are the young shoots near the top of the plant. However, leaves and stems at the middle and lower sections are also used.


Khat leaves contain psychoactive ingrediants known as cathinone, which is structurally and chemically similar to d-amphetamine, and cathine, a milder form of cathinone. Fresh leaves contain both ingrediants ; those left unrefrigerated beyond 48 hours would contain only cathine, which explains users' preference for fresh leaves. Other names by which Khat is known include: Qat, Kat, Chat, Kus-es-Salahin, Mirra, Tohai, Tschat, Catha, Quat, Abyssinian Tea, African Tea, and African Salad.


EFFECTS OF KHAT AND MODE OF INGESTION


Fresh Khat leaves, which are typically chewed like tobacco, produce a mild cocaine- or amphetamine-like euphoria that is much less potent than either substance with no reports of a rush sensation or paranoia indicated. By filling the mouth to capacity with fresh leaves the userr then chews intermittenly to release the active components. Chewing Khat leaves produces a strong aroma and generates intense thirst. Casual users claim Khat lifts spirits, sharpens thinking, and, when its effects wear off, generates mild lapses of depression similar to those observed among cocaine userrs.


Since there appears to be an absence of physical tolerance, due in part to limitations in how much can be ingested by chewing, there are no reports of physical symptons accompanying withdrawal. Advocates of Khat use claim that it eases symptoms of diabetes, asthma, and stomach/intestinal tract disorders, Opponents claim that Khat damages health, suppresses appetite, and prevents sleep.


TRADITIONAL USERS OF KHAT


Khat has been used since antiquity as a recreational and religious drug by natives of Eastern Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, and throughout the Middle East. In the US, Khat use is most popular among immigrants from Yemen and the East African nations of Somalia and Ethiopia. Traditionally, in those societies that have not evolved cultural or support systems to integrate Khat use into the social fabric, the decreased productivity and diversion of income attributed to its use in a socio-historical context, use is an accepted practice, occuring in environments that give positive reinforcement and meaning to the experience.


PACKAGING AND AVAILABILITY


Khat is usually packaged in plastic bags or wrapped in banana leaves to retain its moistness and freshness. It is often sprinkled with water during transport to keep the leaves moist. Khat also may be sold as dried or crushed leaves or in powdered form. Khat iis becoming increasingly available in the US, especially in cities like NY, DC, LA, Boston, Dallas, and Detroit. It is commonly sold in resteraunts, bars, grocery stores, and smoke shops that cater to East Africans and Yemins--after its importation from Kenya, Egypt, and Arabia. Because Khat in leaf form starts to lose its potency after 48 hours, it is generally shipped to the US on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays for weekend use.


CURRENT LEGAL STATUS


Until very recently, Khat was classified as a schedule IV substance by the DEA. Cathinone, an ingrediant present only in fresh-picked leaves, (within 48 hours of harvest) has now been classified as a schedule I narcotic, the most restrictive category used by the DEA. Cathine, an ingrediant that remains in Khat after 48 hours, is still classified as a schedule IV substance (one that has low potentail for abuse and has a current accepted usage in treatment). Law enforcement efforts directed against Khat in the US have been minimal thus far. There is some doubt as to whether khat will become a popular street drug in this country like crack and other drugs. However, illegal labs have been discoverred using a synthetic form or Khat's most active ingrediant (cathinione) which is called "Methcathinone", known on the street as "Cat".


STREET OBSERVATIONS


From the perspective of street users, Khat is not considerd to be a "street drug" with a desirability comparable to heroin, cocaine, crack, marijuana, or pills. Media attention given to Khat is probably bringing about an interest in its use, and street adddicts have been observed by the OASAS Street Studies Unit seeking to purchase Khat. Howeverr, street addicts and other non-African/Arab seekers of khat are being turned away by sellers.


Discreet inquiries by field staff of African/Arab sellers of Khat indicate they are not selling it as a "drug" and therefore do not seek outsiders who would bring additional attention to them. Researchers have not observed street sales of Khat. However, a member of the Street Studies Unit was told by an Arab Teenaager, standing in close proximity to an Arab resteraunt, that he was waiting to buy a bundle of Khat for $28 when the shipment arrived "after five." Street researchers have been informed that Khat is being sold for $300-$400 a kilo, with a bundle of leaves selling for $28-$50. From the standpoint of their cultural norms, the African/Arab sellers and users observed by the OASAS Street Studies Unit do not consider Khat to be illegal and often oppenly advertise its availability on signs in resteraunts and grocery stores much as they would any other food product.


TREATMENT FOR KHAT DEPENDENCE


Khat is a sympathomimetic and its pharmacological effects are believed to parallel those of amphetimine. Psychiatric manifestations induced by Khat are similar to the effects of other known stimulants. Giannini Miller, and Turner (1992) described a recent, successful attempt to treat 2 cases of Khat dependency using prrotocols similar to those developed for cocaine. Both patients presented for treatment with psychriatic manifestations and were screened for stimulant and depressant drug addiction since substances other than Khat were involved in each case. Specific procedures for treatment entailed an inpatient detox phase of 1-2 weeks followed by long-term attendance at outpatient recovery programs.


Succesful inpatient detox was facilitated with the use of bromocriptine (ranging in dose from 0.625 mg. gid in one case to 1.25 mg. gid in the second case, and tapered off over a period of 5-12 days.) Continued craving for stimulants by one patient resulted in the use of desipramine (200 mg. a day) for up to 6 months post-detox with dose levels gradually tapered downward. Previous attempts to treat Khat-induced psychosis have employed thioridazine (300 mg. a day) foor 1 week without reccurrence symptoms.


The Above "STREET ADVISORY" was published 2/93 by OASAS


I have noticed an increase in use of Khat in the upstate NY area This is probably due to the return of the drug from Somalia. Military personal that have returned to the Fort Drum and Surrounding areas were introduced to Khat and seek to continue the use of it.

[BIgE]

Esroim..What i mean when i say i get relief is that when useing Kratom it takes away the physical and mental cravings i feel when i'm experiencing withdraw from painkillers..It really works it can really help you fight Addiction if you use it Responsibly..But just like any other drug you can abuse it also.. but its much easier to deal with a Kratom habit than an opium or painkiller Addiction ...


Anyone reading this that is Addicted to opium or painkillers and wants or needs help really should consider trying Kratom..Please understand this is Just my opinion based on personal Experience this stuff is the real deal..


See Ya

[esroim]

is kratom a prescribed drug or what? And you use it with painkillers or on it's own?

[BIgE]

<DIV>


No Kratom isn't a prescribed medicine you can buy it from a number of online vendors and have it shipped to..To be honest though it probably will start to get more attention from various government agencies eventually because it REALLY works one of the few true legal highs available..


Like I said itsfor real if you get quality Kratom..Alfa mentioned it here at the forum and I looked into it and tried some and I'm glad I did if you like the buzz you get from painkillers you will love this stuff..


I personally wouldn'tusePainkillers while taking Kratom if for no other reason than I feel I don't them ..And it defeats the reason I I'm using Kratom in the first place..But everyone is different..As to whether it would hurt you or not I really don't know.. but I wouldn't take a chance on it because like I said Kratom is for real and deserves much Respect..Hope I was some help..You have any more questions just ask..See Ya</DIV>

[esroim]

how safe is kratom?

[BIgE]

I think its pretty safe as long as you use it responsibly.. like any other drug it can be abused..The fact that they use it to combat opium addiction tells me it is safer than opiates and easier to quit..But i'm definately NOT an expert this is just my own reasoning

[esroim]

I looked up Kratom at erowid and found that most people who had over 15 grams or so had unpleasant effects. Anything under that resulted in great effects. I will probably try to get some over the summer.


When you prepare it for drinking what do you do? The most common way seems to be to steep the leaves (ground up?) in a pot of boiling water, add lemonso that it doesn't lose it's potency,at a medium heat for about 20 minutes. Then filter it.

[Alfa]

I prefer smoking Kratom joints. They call them mindbenders here.