codeine with elixir vs. hydro codiene

[thatsall]

Swim just got his tonsils out and the doctor gave him morphine injection right after thge srugery was done, so he woke up high on morphine. He then just had a perscription filled for tylenol w/ codeine elixir.

swim wants to know what is thge difference between codeine and codeine elixir?

swim wants to know how it compares to a vicodin high?

swim would like to know recomended dosages for a nice high?

swim would like to now a safe way to take it without harming his liver with all the acetminophen?

swim wants to know if there is an extraction method with the syrup since hes only seen extracts fo rthe tablets?

[thatsall]

swim for got the most important question. what would be the ratio of acetminophen to codeine?

this would help tons so i would know how much to take.

[ningbar]

swim says that the difference between a high dose codeine buzz and hydrocodone buzz is completely subjective

he prefers the codeine but many others would say hydro all the way

swims been prescribed several forms of codeine ove rhte years, but never an elixir/syrup

does your friend have the brand/generic name of the elixir?

the only way to tell whether a cold water extraction would be eccective in the case of an elixir would be to know the other ingredients

if its codeine/acetaminophen and sugar syrup etc i dont think it would be particularly sucessful

most people can ingest far larger amounts of tylenol on a single occaision than people realise and there probably isnt a lethal ammount in your freinds bottle

it would be a bit daft to test this tho

he wouldnt like fulminating liver failure very much!

cheers
Ningbar

[ningbar]

a quick googling turns this up

"
Tylenol with Codeine Elixir

Manufacturer: Ortho-McNeil



Prescribing Information

DESCRIPTION

Each tablet contains:
No. 3 Codeine Phosphate ................. 30 mg
Acetaminophen .............................. 300 mg
No. 4 Codeine Phosphate .................. 60 mg
Acetaminophen ............................... 300 mg
Each 5 mL of elixir contains:
Codeine Phosphate ......................... 12 mg
Acetaminophen .............................. 120 mg
Alcohol 7%
Inactive ingredients: tablets--powdered cellulose, magnesium stearate, sodium metabisulfite **/* , pregelatinized starch, starch (corn); elixir--alcohol, citric acid, propylene glycol, sodium benzoate, saccharin sodium, sucrose, natural and artificial flavors, FD&C Yellow No. 6."



so im afraid your friend is out of luck

the alcohol will still have a lot of tylenol dissolved in it even at a good cold temp and the other fillers will make filtration a hopeless task



cheers
Ningbar

[thatsall]

yes the max amount of acetaminopen a day is 4000mg and the max amount per seving is supposed to be 1000. Swim is going to push the limits because he is healthy and dont believe it will cause any problem. He is going to take 90ml/216mg of codeine elixir/2160mg acetaminophen(this is considered not safe but he dont thin there should be any probolem. swim will post his experience later on.

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Bad advice, 4000mg can cause liver failure

[ningbar]

having said that if your friends elixir is composed in exactly that fashion then he could fairly safely take

the (very conservative) daily max for acetaminophen is 4000mg

so swim could theoretically take 165ml of the elixir fairly safely, giving a dose of nearly 400mg of codeine and an inadvisable but not particularly harmful 4000mg of tylenol

400mg of codeine is a large dose for the opiate naiive

wouldnt be enough for swim but would be enough to be unpleasant for someone who doesnt have a tolerance

your friend should use caution

cheers
Ningbar

[thatsall]

Swim has a fair expeirience with hydrocodone and oxys and morphine pills and opium so he know how to handle, and enjoy his high. He doesnt think that codeine can be that much different. He also has taken 5 vicodins at a time then a few more later and they were the thousands so there was about a total of 8000mg of acetaminophen. I think your right when you say there shouldnt be a problem.

[ningbar]

yeah your friend will be just fine

bet it tastes like shit tho

laughs
Ningbar

[thatsall]

Swim has taken three shots of the tlenol 3 with codeine elixir and slowly drank i cup of v8 splash with another shot. Each shot contained 30ml of the syrup. 5ml=12mg codeine/120mg acetaminophen. This totals to 120ml/288mg/2880mg.

5-15 minutes: Notice swims stomache is aching maybe due to the high level of sugar in it or to the fact that he took 3 rapid shots of the nasty stuff on an empty stomache. Swim notices he is quite relaxed but is hard because of stomache discomfort right now. Shoulders also feel heavy as if he just workedout.

20-25 min: begin to eat some ramen noodles and drink the rest of v8 with codeine in it. Stomache is already feeling better and he lay down to watch a movie and realizes hes very high, relaxed, and have a great body high. Similiar to hydro but a lil different in two ways so far. easier to pee and less itchy.

35-45 min: Notice that it is great for relieveing the pain in his throat while also giving him some intense body waves and euporia very noticable. Very chill and about to listen to music and so forget the movie for now. getting more itchy but notin his nose as when swim uses hydrocodone. it is more in the neck and chest but very itchy and high.

1hr later: Made a playlist and redoes on two more 30ml shots. got very itchy before the shots. very. like woaas. Swim feel great though. Hard deciding whether to watch movie or listen to music. pain relief works way better at high doese by the way.

1hr 15minute later: 2 200mg lyrica's takenb to potentiate codeine without hurting live. still feeling awesome!

2hr later: swim takes a shower to stop the itchiness. still very high. at the plateu. listeniung to music is relaxing.

2hr 15 minute: took shower and swim didnt want to stop washing hair and arm pits because it was fun to itch for a good reason. Feel almost a little stimulated in a good way right now. Still euphoric and feel gggggoooddd.

3hr 15 min: Swim is coming down alil and just ate some eggs to compensate. His high was ruined with some family members. Still high though and turning it around. Actually i feel good already.

In conclusion i think hydrocodone and codeine are very similiar. I think codeine is more itchy. Other then that i think it is hard to tell the diff. I think hydrocodone might be a little more longlasting and euphoric. very nice high swim had though.

[thatsall]

I wouldnt reccomend doing this when in sick time. Swim has woke up today and found that he is in more pain then before. This could be because he was talking and eeating things he shouldnt of yesterdasy because of the completion of pain.

[Abrad]

Originally Posted by ningbar

so swim could theoretically take 165ml of the elixir fairly safely, giving a dose of nearly 400mg of codeine and an inadvisable but not particularly harmful 4000mg of tylenol

4 grams of paracetomal can cause serious liver damage in some cases, to say it is "not particularly harmfull" is extremely dangerous advce.

[thatsall]

yes..i suspect paracetomal is the same as acetaminophen. Like i said the most in one day should be 4000mg. one serving 1000mg. I dont think i will have any poblems. I think the elixir is beter then pills because it hits you harder and faster.

[ningbar]

Originally Posted by abrad84

4 grams of paracetomal can cause serious liver damage in some cases, to say it is "not particularly harmfull" is extremely dangerous advce.

in reality youd have to be very slightly built and have an extremely weak constitiotion to do any damage

the max safe ammounts are enormously conservative

swim is prescribed more than 4000mg of acetaminophen per day in a combination med with codeine and has been for more than 3 years

swim gets fortnightly LFTs and other liver tests because of a far more hepatoxic med he has to take and his liver is in good health


its not like taking large ammounts of prescription pharms of any kind is a good idea

thats why i never ever do it, its just swim

cheers
Ningbar

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Dangerous advice.

[scotty6435]

Even though the paracetamol/codeine pills are good for the pain somewhat after a tonsilectomy, the oramorph I had after waking up was MUCH nicer... I still get warm fuzzies thinking about it

[Abrad]

Originally Posted by ningbar

in reality youd have to be very slightly built and have an extremely weak constitiotion to do any damage

the max safe ammounts are enormously conservative

swim is prescribed more than 4000mg of acetaminophen per day in a combination med with codeine and has been for more than 3 years

4 grams is the max DAILY dose, which is fairly safe, but SWIY was saying it is safe to take as a single dose which is definetely not the case, especially if combined with alcohol or other drugs (codeine for example).

[Forthesevenlakes]

really, ANY amount of APAP/paracematol/acetaminophen/whateveryouwanttocallit is unsafe when taken with alcohol. damages the liver somewhat. SWIM is unsure of its interaction on liver enzymes in conjunction with codeine, but knows that apap and alcohol is disastrous for our precious and faithful liver cells. SWIM once met a knowledgable pharmacologist whose only advice, after some discussion of many psychoactive substances, was to NEVER touch tylenol. and SWIM, as well as SWIYs, would do well to stick to that. CWE can be one's greatest ally in the war on sobriety.

[ysanchez16]

Would like to know what happens if Phenergan and Vicodin are taken together.

[Fantasian]

As to acetaminophen overdose please check this thread out that i made earlier, i think it's explains the point best.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=161404


ANd to answer you ysanchez16 when Phenergan which is an antiemetic more commonly known as Promethazine is added to vicodin better known as dihydrocodeinone, no problems will present is the Promethazine is taken in normal dosages. In fact it will stop any sickness causes by the dihydrocodeinone.

Be aware that large doses of both Promethazine and dihydrocodeinone both cause respiritory depression and can therefore stop one from breathing and cause death.

Please ask any further questions but add more specifics for a more specific answer.

[psyche]

SWIM is unsure of its interaction on liver enzymes in conjunction with codeine, but knows that apap and alcohol is disastrous for our precious and faithful liver cells.

Ok, better just wipe my previous message out.

So, here's a link to alcohol-acetaminophen syndrome:

http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/20...0/draganov.htm

I got somewhere wrong information about metabolism of alcohol, it actually is metabolised by the same CYP2E1 enzyme.

[psyche]

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