Oral use - valium (Diazepam): Any advice for use?

i have recently started using (abusing) valium and i love them normally 25-30mg. i know my street drugs very well (21 year love affair) but i haven't really had much to do with scrip drugs. I am 35 yrs old and would like some informed opinions, I am a lot healthier now than i used to be (gave up cigarettes 3 yrs ago smoke a bit of pot and the odd bottle of bacardi.) I took a lot of drugs as a teen up to about thirty yrs old(lsd, speed, e, coke and skunk) but i've mellowed a lot in the last 3-4 yrs. if anybody out there could give me any dire warnings or don't worry that's cool stories i would be grateful


cheers mike.

Most downers are pretty addictive, so be carefull. What do you like about Valium? How do you experience it? Did you ever try Valerian/Baldrian? It's a pretty strong herb, that has simular effects as Valium.

[mike]

i've tried valerian nasty hangover and i couldn't sleep. valium is far more subtle and i always feel great the next day. i took some a couple of years ago and quite enjoyed them, but found them quite difficult to get hold of but a friend is being prescribed them but doesn't want them so i took them off his hands 5mil tabs. I have taken heroin (3 times) methadone (once) pethadone (once) morphine (twice)i think the only drug i haven't tried is PCP and i don't want to! for about 2yrs (17-19 yrs old) i took too much LSD (about 250 tabs including pure lysergic, and the very last trip of californian window panes (3) freaked me right out and i've taken none since (a few shrooms in my twenties). At 35 i'm a lot older and wiser and feel i've got a reasonable grip on my drug taking i love my skunk but try to moderate it but i don't want to put myself at too high a health risk. where are you from alfa (country will do)? are you very experienced in drugs?

[hollywood]

I really like xanax a lot, too much. The thing is that they are so addictive. Valium is ok but it makes me a little to lazy. Plus the buzz is much better to me. Just be safe and watch the alcohol when you are useing........................

[xxannan]

kava kava is a better herbal substitute than valerian root. kava kava is supposed to mimic the effect of the benzodiazapiens (klonopin, xanax, valium) i don't have experience with it, i have my own prescriptions <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley4.gif"> but i have a copuple friends that always keep a bottle of the extract around. i know they use more than what is says to, but i'm not about to offer suggested doses. i don't wanna be responsible for anyone out there. i prefer klonopin over all the rest...lasts longer!

[scripted4chaos]

I'm prescribed Klonopin ( I actually get it free through a patient assistance program), but it hardly does anything for my nerves. I'm afraid to ask my doctor to put me on Valium because he'll immediately think i'm into drugs. I have a high tolerance to meds even though i hardly ever used them, and I'd like to know this: If I were to hypothetically try to get some over the internet, where could I find them for really cheap, and it still be a legit source?

valiums in pakistan are sold over the counter i use them alot its very addictive coz once u leave them u get angry all the time and cant deal with poeple u are not happy and then life is not so gud other then that i love the effect i say dont use it brother if u have to then use ATIVAN

[Lump]

We're about the same age, and it sounds like the about same background. I've found that a lot of chems that I used to be able to imbibe in one way or the other in prodigious quantities aren't so kind to me now. I like my chems Pharm fresh for the most part--they're consistant, you know what yer getting, you don't have to worry about some dirt bag pulling a gun on you and so on.



The best advice I can offer is "Know thyself", judge dosage on your body weight, tolerance (get off while ya still can on the lower doses, why waste good drugs?) and keep track of things for a while till you feel confident enough to venture further (if you want to). Remember you can always take a little more, but the reverse is unpleasant at best. Err on the side of caution at all times. Mixing it with booze is a bad idea; best case scenario you'll puke and wake up the next morning in your neighbor's bushes, worst case, life support if somebody gets to you in time. It does mix well with weed, or to take the edge off of something that's faster than you thought it would be. It can be a lifesaver if under the influence of a psychedelic that's causing you to believe that your brain is trying to eat you, or that you're being followed by a 6 ft tall racoon packing an AK (both of these happened to me...)



I prefer xanax as well, but have yet to pass up a v. when offered. These two drugs absolutely have a huge addiction potential. When I was going thru my divorce, the kindly old Doc wrote me piles of scripts for both and coming off after an eight month binge was hellish. Massive light sensitivity, noise sensitivity, taste perversion (not the fun kind, but rather everything smelled and tasted bad), skin crawling heebie-jeebies, pissed off at everthing and everyone, just a bad scene all the way around. The way I keep that monkey from growing teeth again is to keep one or two for emergencies (my kid doing something massively stupid in school and having to go in there RIGHT NOW to talk to the same old geezer that was Dean when I was there...) and then anticipate when I'm going to want some (coming off a fast ride on the weekend, PMS, having to talk to my ex- husband). I also don't take them for more than 5 days in a row. That's just my personal system. Another downside is that when a largish amount is taken, my short term memory gets worse than it already is, I put down a teacup and somehow misplace it.



All that being said, the happies are great--nothing much bothers you, and if something does, it's handled a lot more calmly. Sort of nullifies that Circle Jerks song "Group Sex". Going thru a form of chemo right now and get yelled at for loosing too much weight. They give me a temporary appetite (esp. combined with good smoke). A fairly large amount needs to be taken (way after where you feel it just fine, which is, again, wasting good drugs) before you -look- screwed up to anybody else. V's and xanax are marvelous concoctions. Take em, but take em easy till you know how they work with and on you.

[Geetered]

its cool, just watch out for addicton and dont drink any(or much) alcohole with the valium

[JCE6J2]

Hey everyone

SWIM was just given a french brand of Diazepam and was wondering if theres a way to get messed up on just Diazepam. SWIM dosent have any other drugs at the moment, wasted them all last night.

so if SWIM wants a good, safe time, what is the perfect starting dose?

each pill is 10MG.

sorry if these questions suck, swim just hasen't gotten into most pills yet.

swim read around the forum and saw most people just combine it with other drugs.

thanks

[Abrad]

There is lots of info about recreational use of valium. 10-20mg should be sufficient for a pleasant, relaxed evening if SWIY has no tolerance.

[M3th]

My friend reccomends around 20mgs and then smoke a bowl of some good bud.

[JCE6J2]

thanks

well swim dosent have any bud, so would a couple shots do the same?

[Psych0naut]

No!Alcohol is a CNS(Central Nervous System) depressant,And Valium is a CNS depressant as well.
CNS depressants depress breathing, mixing CNS depressants is very dangerous as they can cause resparatory failure which is fatal.
Only when SWIY is very experienced with benzodiazepines like Valium, he could estimate what might be safe enough, but it's still dangerous.
Remember this about mixing drugs, whether it be CNS stimulants or depressants:1+1=3

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[raven3davis]

Mixing benzos with alcohol can be fun, but it is very dangerous. 10mg would be a good starting dose to "get fucked up" but 20mg will probably be a better high. Either way, you should start with 10mg and work your way up. A valium high is enjoyable but SWIM highly recommends mixing some good herb with it.

[JCE6J2]

SWIM would also like to know how long they generally take to kick in.

SWIM took a full 10mg and i feel pretty good, kinda a speedy rush but expressing that feeling is not possible because swim is slighty tired.

its been an hour, so has the effect kicked in fully yet

[Sk2005]

"No!Alcohol is a CNS(Central Nervous System) depressant,And Valium is a CNS depressant as well.
CNS depressants depress breathing, mixing CNS depressants is very dangerous as they can cause resparatory failure which is fatal.
Only when SWIY is very experienced with benzodiazepines like Valium, he could estimate what might be safe enough, but it's still dangerous.
Remember this about mixing drugs, whether it be CNS stimulants or depressants:1+1=3"

Nope. Not unless we're talking about ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of Valium and alcohol. Here's a statment from the reputable medlineplus.com:

"remember that alcohol can add to the drowsiness caused by this drug"

Here's another from drugs.com:

"Avoid alcohol while taking diazepam. Alcohol may increase drowsiness and dizziness caused by diazepam. Alcohol may also increase the risk of having a seizure if diazepam is being taken for a seizure condition."

There's nothing here about respiratory failure. They just say its best to not take it with alcohol. It's only a concern if were talking about very large amounts.

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[Psych0naut]

It doesn't have to be fatal, but it's dangerous mixing CNS depresants.
Some combinations are safer than others, but for a newbie who'd doesn't even know the recreational dosage of Valium it can be dangerous mixing them.
If SWIY is experienced with different types of benzo's and has ome toleration he could make better judgements.Just be safe.

[Sk2005]

I totally agree about mixing depressants. It's a dangerous game. But from my experience respiratory failure tends to be a major concern when it comes to opiates like heroin and oxycontin. I was just a little defensive about the valium thing cause I myself have mized valium with alcohol (no more than 20 mg of valium and four or five beers) and had good results. Maybe it's that your posted scared me into sobering up, and who wants to to that? )

[hh339]

agree too. but to answer your question propely: yes, you can defenitly get very fucked up on alcohol and diazepam. benzos alone can get you very fucked up too so theres no need taking risks and mixing with alcohol though. benzos are famous for making people do shit they would NEVER do otherwise.

[JCE6J2]

thanks for all your answers....

SWIM didnt end up mixing any alcohol with them, but later on into the night smoked a bunch of bud and got extra fucked.

SWIM took a total of 20MG, one pill an hour later, and so no results. is it because SWIM too them too far apart from each other?

[Nagognog2]

Alcohol mixed with benzodiazepines is what is called mutually-potentiating. This is where 1 + 1 = 5. Do not mess around with this. There was a famous case some time ago. This young woman named Karen Anne Quinlan took a few valiums and then had a few gin and tonics. She ended up brain-dead in a coma. It was a big story that, like Karen, would not die. She ended up on life-support. It took many years before the courts would let her family pull the plug. By then she weighed around 30 pounds (12kg +-).

Don't make me have to read about you. Be very careful here.

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[Sk2005]

Originally Posted by JCE6J2

thanks for all your answers....

SWIM didnt end up mixing any alcohol with them, but later on into the night smoked a bunch of bud and got extra fucked.

SWIM took a total of 20MG, one pill an hour later, and so no results. is it because SWIM too them too far apart from each other?

You didn't feel anything becuase...well...valium sucks. there, I said it. I really don't understand how someone can abuse it. It's basically a sleeping pill. I've taken alot of drugs in my time, but my experience with the drug was sub-par. I took 20mg, waited for about 20 minutes, got up from my chair, and crashed into my bed. I woke up 9 hours later and thought "what the hell?". Maybe it was the addition of alcohol?

[Sk2005]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Alcohol mixed with benzodiazepines is what is called mutually-potentiating. This is where 1 + 1 = 5. Do not mess around with this. There was a famous case some time ago. This young woman named Karen Anne Quinlan took a few valiums and then had a few gin and tonics. She ended up brain-dead in a coma. It was a big story that, like Karen, would not die. She ended up on life-support. It took many years before the courts would let her family pull the plug. By then she weighed around 30 pounds (12kg +-).

Don't make me have to read about you. Be very careful here.

But there are so many questions to ask. Did she have any prior medical conditions? How much valium did she take (mg)? How much gin and tonic did she have (I often have a glass of vodka and ice - by glass I mean a large glass filled to the top). And were there any other drugs in her sysem. I guess I'm a bit skeptical. Right now I've just taken two 10 mg valiums and a bottle of wine. I feel fine. It reminds me of that comercial that described the story of some girl who died and all that was found in her system was extacy. So? I run the risk of severe illness everytime I order something from a deli that makes food with raw eggs. It's always a crapshoot.

[Sk2005]

After reading my post let me say this: please don't assume that I'm right and that mixing these two substacnes has no negative consequences. Listen to everyone else. I'm just throwing out some alternative viewpoints. Always err on the side of caution.

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